Regarding Anonymous and 4chan

reply to post by Phantom28804


You know what, I feel playful tonight.

Please, indulge. Where did you get this information?

reply to post by Revolution-2012


Which information are you referring to? the difference between DDOS and DOS? Umm that doesn't take rocket science but I'll indulge.

en.wikipedia.org...

antivirus.about.com...

If you mean places to acquire software? Well that is easily found on your own just look it up as I am not going to link sites that carry software use for malicious intent. Such ID Theft etc. Though I assure you they are out there.

As I said its not a matter of proving myself. I expressed my opinion and once again this is something Anonymous is supposed to be in support of.

reply to post by Phantom28804


No, I understand what you're saying. How is it that you know DoS and DDoS tools are easy to find and anyone can use them?

Because if that was the case, I have a feeling your computer would probably not be running right now, neither would mine.

reply to post by Revolution-2012


ICMP and DDoS tools are exceptionally easy to find. The major difference in "ease of use" is generally that DOSing requires a bit of knowledge of IP's and packets. DDoSing during an "operation" is purely a point and click, copy paste venture.

But the clients to do either are readily available to anyone with Google.

~Heff

reply to post by Revolution-2012


Well I know people who have dabbled into things they shouldn't have. I also have a friend who runs a security firm that specializes in cracking into computer security systems to test software. I have a friend that owns and runs a computer repair shop. All of them have told me that this software is not hard to find and have also told me that Anonymous is in there opinions a bunch of kids who do nothing but run Denial of Service attacks on websites which is supported by many of there actions.

As for the attack on the Security firm that was a bit more impressive and I am in no way saying that all of Anonymous is a bunch of script kiddies or kids using programs, but that doesn't mean the majority aren't. I noted in another forum on Anonymous today that Yourpoprocks referred to them as a legion of pawns (expendable) hackers should not be expendable as they are the elite of the elite. So it further, at least in my mind, implies that the lesser "Pawns" of Anonymous can do these attacks and are not more then tools for the more versed members. I highly doubt the true hackers of Anonymous are expendable.

Here is the Quote

Originally posted by YourPopRock
reply to post by Hefficide

 

You actually pretty much hit the nail on the head with the expendable part.

Let me explain the "We are legion"... Anonymous, we are legion. For every one of us that falls, ten will rise to take his place.

The thing that makes Anon so oddly powerful is this... It isn't an organization with a traditional power structure. Instead it is a hive... made up entirely of the pawns. That is what makes it unstoppable, uncontrollable and in some cases (unfortunately) unpredictable.

reply to post by Phantom28804


Let me make this blatantly clear.

Your friends are wildly uninformed and should not be allowed to run security businesses if they are incapable of understanding what a group called "Anonymous" is capable of, you cannot put a label on Anonymous because they ARE Anonymous, and in theory, that means Richard Stallman could be Anonymous and go ahead and just destroy everything on anyones computer without them knowing.

To my point, a DoS attack is something that is 9/10 times executed through a hole in software, remotely, causing the system to CRASH. DoS attacks are extremely complicated and involve an extensive knowledge of how the victims computer works.

DDoS attacks are simple packet bombing and most of the time do not cause harm to ones computer, but can render a network useless and raise the client's cost of access.

In Anonymous' most recent efforts, it is blatantly obvious that no DDoSing was performed, and they executed arbitrary exploits on one's host machine, gaining access and then eventually compromising the entire network. I have a feeling no more than one person executed this operation.

Now you tell your security friend, that Anonymous ran controlled exploits on a remote victim, gained access and managed to compromise the victims entire server configuration and see if he still says they are script kiddies.

Also, now that I have properly informed you, please refrain from calling Anonymous script kiddies, or anything else for that matter because you just simply can't, they are Anonymous and cannot be labeled.

reply to post by Hefficide


DoS client's are legacy and have no practical use with today's security on modern operating systems.

In order to DoS someone now days, you must find a specific service and exploit that service with code that will send the service into a recursive memory allocation causing a system stack overflow, or alternatively, if it is a key component within the OS, simply stopping the program from performing correctly can result in a system failure.

(but yes I understand DDoS tools are effective and easy to obtain)

reply to post by Revolution-2012


Wow someone got testy fast...............


Thats ok I tire of debating the usefulness or uselessness of Anonymous. You still seem to be blatantly blind to the one point I keep making.

I have the right to my own opinion and free speech and that is one thing Anonymous stands for "according to there mission statement" It is funny how when someone expresses there opinions against Anonymous the supporters get awfully antsy and or agitated.

reply to post by Phantom28804


Not really saying you should be against or for Anonymous, simply stating the fact that you don't know what you're talking about and neither do your friends.

posting in epic thread.

That other guy is just

reply to post by Revolution-2012


Well that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I disagree with you on that statement and it would seem that even Hefficide confirmed what I said about it being readily available software. Now I will give you that he said it was a bit more complicated then pushing a button

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by Revolution-2012

 

ICMP and DDoS tools are exceptionally easy to find. The major difference in "ease of use" is generally that DOSing requires a bit of knowledge of IP's and packets.

But the clients to do either are readily available to anyone with Google.

~Heff

However the point still stands that it is easily obtainable and I am sure it does not take all that much knowledge or skill to learn the above.

I'm off to bed now have a lovely evening and please don't be offended or annoyed I live for debate and I enjoy it thoroughly. I may not be as computer suave as Anonymous but I am nowhere near ignorant about it either. Good evening my friend and enjoy your weekend.

Originally posted by Revolution-2012
Greetings my fellow ATS users.

I would like to take the time to clear some things up for my fellow board members, regarding Anonymous (the "group") and 4chan, the image board.

Firstly, may I start by making it blatantly clear that "Anonymous" is as loosely connected to 4chan as it is to Wikileaks.

Just because someone who belongs to the online collective of Anonymous browses 4chan, but whom also hones a very specific set of skills and holds a individual political viewpoint, does not mean that they promote 4chan, or receive ANY influence FROM 4chan - in fact, it's quite the opposite. Anonymous uses 4chan, 4chan does not use Anonymous.

Also, I see a plethora of people who have obviously came from 4chan to ATS, they probably discovered this forum through 4chan's /x/ image board or something of the likes.

Let me make this BLATANTLY clear to you, and you know who I am talking about.

This forum is not 4chan. Please do not spout your memes around here. It makes people think you are stupid.

And, if you're running around here thinking that by you being a poster on 4chan that you're somehow part of the politically inclined Anonymous, you are not. And chances are you never will be.

What you can do to help the Anonymous group who has been exploiting corruption as of late, is be an activist. Write letters to your local government, write letters to the federal government, go out and picket on the street - It's a great way to meet people and I've done it myself. Also, don't run around with a V for Vendetta mask on if you do go out and picket, that just makes you look like a retard(although legally you are perfectly welcome to in the US).

Anonymous doesn't want you to support them by saying "OH HELL YEAH ANONYMOUS DID THIS OR ANONYMOUS DID THAT", Anonymous wants you to be active, because the more people who are active the better your chance of making a change in this world.

And, just to clear up a few things for the skeptics and haters of Anonymous(the politically active sect), please stop saying they're a bunch of script kiddies, etc. it's absolutely belligerent and unfounded. You obviously know not a damn thing about how computers work, how social engineering works and how Anonymous(the politically active) works.

In closing, I leave you with this:

Do something to make a difference, and you are supporting the Anonymous Legion.

For those of you who think Anonymous are script kiddies
www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 11-2-2011 by Revolution-2012 because: (no reason given)

reply to post by Phantom28804


Once again - you're dodging the point at hand.

Anonymous clearly displayed they are able to gain complete access and control over a computer given they see fit.

Now it'll be a cold day in hell before DDoS and unauthorized access have anything in common.

reply to post by Revolution-2012


I think the point that is being made is that 99.9% of anon could not access r00t on a secured server to save their lives. If they can't DL it, and click it, it isn't happening.

That is not to say that there aren't people within the folds of anon who are well capable. But they are few and far between, in relation to the number of people who self-identify as "anonymous".

~Heff

reply to post by Hefficide


Agreed 110%

However, the user is stating that all they do is DDoS when as of recently it has been clearly displayed there is well capable figures within Anonymous that are more than qualified to do as they see fit, and prove a point larger than a DDoS attack.

reply to post by Hefficide


meh.

Just like a real force. Not everyone can lead, or be special forces, or drive a tank. A majority of people will be meat shields for the specialists.

Happens everywhere, from the armed forces throughout time, down to American Football.

I can see your point to having a certain affinity against memes many are used way too often without people even understanding the original thoughts behind them. As to your point about the group, I would say not to worry those who know their blame I am sure are noted. And if it get's way to out of hand I am sure will be dealt with to the severity as the assault committed. (Not against the group of course but to those making outlandish statements). After all the last group you want to assault is one who has the capability of making your life a miserable hell hole with a click of a mouse.

reply to post by Golithion


Meh...

Anonymous can do anything from deface your facebook to bring down security firms.... but more or less, if you're pissing off someone who has the ability to destroy a security firm you're just not very smart, as far as "making your life a living hell", I would assume those who have the ability to destroy security firms would be the last of your worries.

reply to post by Revolution-2012


I was actually agreeing with you since I see your point sometimes however my meaning get's lost in thought.


PS: I return your meh with a beh.

Originally posted by Revolution-2012
reply to post by Hefficide

 

Agreed 110%

However, the user is stating that all they do is DDoS when as of recently it has been clearly displayed there is well capable figures within Anonymous that are more than qualified to do as they see fit, and prove a point larger than a DDoS attack.

I was off to bed and thought I would check in one more time. I wanted to clarify something. You said the above, but clearly you did not read my posts earlier as you will see I said.

Originally posted by Phantom28804
reply to post by Revolution-2012

 

As for the attack on the Security firm that was a bit more impressive and I am in no way saying that all of Anonymous is a bunch of script kiddies or kids using programs, but that doesn't mean the majority aren't. I noted in another forum on Anonymous today that Yourpoprocks referred to them as a legion of pawns (expendable) hackers should not be expendable as they are the elite of the elite. So it further, at least in my mind, implies that the lesser "Pawns" of Anonymous can do these attacks and are not more then tools for the more versed members. I highly doubt the true hackers of Anonymous are expendable.

Therefore the user ie me was not saying that they were all a bunch of "scriptkiddies" Thank you and goodnight,.