Do you feel like Having to Work is un-natural?

reply to post by HomeBrew


Working for the gain of others and for money is totally UNNATURAL. You are mistaking the process of earning money for the process of natural survival, Working in modern terms is a substitute for your natural ability to live from Earth and eat from the Earth...for FREE. Its everyones right to build where they want, eat what they want but all those rights have been taken away so that you can enrolled as a slave to those that have managed to get themselves into power and pull the strings.

To the OP, i feel exactly the same and i couldnt care less if i never work for another person again. I'd far far rather work for myself and family, not for someone else who can go buy a brand new house, holiday, car etc at the expense of his/her employees giving up their lives.

Originally posted by HomeBrew
Regardless of how you go about it, one must always 'work' for food, shelter, safety, ect. It's as natural as breathing.

Not the "work" we do these days. It's not natural at all.

The "work" say an Indian tribe would for food, water and shelter is natural. But you are forgetting that us "civilized" people are not free like they were.

We are domesticated stock. Just like cattle, and that's a direct analogy. Open the paddock gates and let us out to have true freedom, and most of us would perish. Most are that domesticated that it is no longer possible for them to survive without corporate "assistance" (the farmers). Therefore they must "work" in service to the corporations to live on the planet they were born on.

The modern day "work" is simply slavery that has evolved over time. Why whip someone to do something, when all you have to do is make them feel they are dependent on you for their survival, then give them "rewards" for them serving you, and then slowly take their rewards away?

reply to post by Wildeagle


Yes it has begun.

The world is closely watching to see which country is next.. It's going to take some of the big countries a while longer to follow suit as we may all be wondering how Egypt will turn out.. But some countries are already being listed as potential protest points.

We are sick of the way we are being forced to exist.

Too many footballers and celebrity stars are blinding many from the reality of the system.

The one thing i notice is how nothing changes. Stlyes, colours and attitudes change, but looking over a wider area you see that when some of us grew up, new things such as computers and cd's became available for families and children. Before that it was train sets and records, before that it was comic books and radio. Today it is the latest mobile phone, ipad, 4x4's.

all of which blind the mind.. it's a repeated process. the young know no different so they grow up in what seems to be an amazing age only for their young to grow up and feel the same.. It's not until you've gone through several governments that you begin to realize we are being fed the same old nonsense over generations.

Only a SOCIALIST REVOLUTION can save us now.

Work is not unnatural, the conditions in which we now work are unnatural.

In handicrafts and manufacture, the workman makes use of a tool, in the factory, the machine makes use of him. There the movements of the instrument of labour proceed from him, here it is the movements of the machines that he must follow. In manufacture the workmen are parts of a living mechanism. In the factory we have a lifeless mechanism independent of the workman, who becomes a mere living appendage.19

pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk...

Marx's theory of alienation (Entfremdung in German, which literally means "estrangement"), as expressed in the writings of the young Karl Marx (in particular the Manuscripts of 1844), refers to the separation of things that naturally belong together, or to put antagonism between things that are properly in harmony. In the concept's most important use, it refers to the social alienation of people from aspects of their "human nature" (Gattungswesen, usually translated as 'species-essence' or 'species-being'). He believed that alienation is a systematic result of capitalism.

en.wikipedia.org...'s_theory_of_alienation

Therefor its not work that is un natural but the methods in which we now work.

Originally posted by NuclearPaul


We are domesticated stock. Just like cattle, and that's a direct analogy. Open the paddock gates and let us out to have true freedom, and most of us would perish. Most are that domesticated that it is no longer possible for them to survive without corporate "assistance" (the farmers). Therefore they must "work" in service to the corporations to live on the planet they were born on.

The modern day "work" is simply slavery that has evolved over time. Why whip someone to do something, when all you have to do is make them feel they are dependent on you for their survival, then give them "rewards" for them serving you, and then slowly take their rewards away?

Here is a prime example of that, just posted it in breaking news..

The middle classes are unaware of the scale of government spending cuts that will hit them this year, Justice Secretary Ken Clarke has said.

Mr Clarke said the coalition should be prepared for political difficulty when Middle England feels the full impact.

"If someone says it's not as bad as all that, I say they just don't realise the calamitous position we're in."

www.bbc.co.uk...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's almost as if they are holding back the 'feed' in order to weed out the weakest so only the strong are left. This is a show of how they move us from one cattle pen to another and hope we wont mind..

OP: I've always felt the same way and totally get where ya comin from. About 18 months ago i started a new job, i decided this time i was gonna do it my way.
So i spent the first 6 months workin my ass off.. like seriously. Every single day i would do everything i possibly could to be the hardest worker at my job. I would take the shifts no-one else wanted. I would do my job and half the person next to me's job too. Everyday. Last to leave for lunch, first to come back. Everyday.
You know why?
Coz after six months of doing that i turned around and said i dont want to work mondays anymore. My boss knew i was the best value for money worker he had, so rather than lose me, he agreed! I now work 4 days a week for 7 hours a day.. and since i have the 'reputation' as a hard worker i dont have to work so hard!
It's still a boring repetative job, but life is so much better when you actually have time in your day to do stuff you want.

My working all the hours under the sun so i could afford to pay for Food, Rent, Bills and Travel Fares ultimately lead to me having a breakdown and spending some time in hospital.

Of course there were other factors. But working so much so i could afford to live and being unable to have time to try and sort my health out for fear of getting behind on extortionate Rent and Bills in London, didn't help matters.

Now i see the breakdown i had as a blessing as it taught me to completely rethink my life, make some changes, slow down, and head in a different direction.

There's no getting away from the fact that you have to work so you can have a roof over your head, food on your table and clothes on your back. But you shouldn't just be living to work.

I completely get what you are saying and I am with you 100%. Perhaps it is because I am in sales too and have no time what-so-ever to "live". I have been working for 23 years now and it never got to me like this.

I loved my job up until recently. Now I would love to get a farm and work my a** off for myself and family. The tax man will ALWAYS be there, so I would have to feed into the machine anyway.

It is a sucky place to be friend... really is.

The punchline is that we are living the dream - "DEMOCRACY" - the "people power" that many have died for recently in the middle east. If only they knew the reality - that a democratic government is self interested, corrupt and mostly busies itself with the job of taking our hard earned cash via taxes and spending it however it likes.
In the UK the divide between rich and poor has never been wider and continues to grow.

I would get satisfaction out of growing my own food, chopping wood to build more stuff onto my log cabin, going out hunting with a crossbow.

Thats WORK!!

reply to post by GeminiSky


You are absolutely right!!!!! I do feel the same.... I call it the slaved humans we are not free even in the rich west we are the working slave monkeys who have to work work work, spend spend, spend and die die die and do not forget shut up your complains.....

When do people realize that WE ARE ALLLLLL Slaves if we do not earn at least a biljon a year!!!!!

I understand how you feel. Im 48 now now, but when I was your age, I used to think about all of the years of working in front of me and it depressed me. I think it was just a part of becoming an adult, and realizing you have to leave your carefree youth behind. Yea, I still dont like working and wish I could win the lottery and never work again. But I think work gives you a sense of purpose. Besides, if you had all day to do nothing you'd probably just end up drinking all day and wastng your life on booze.

reply to post by liveyourlife

If i won the lottery i would not waste me time on alcohol..

I'd be too busy designing things to help humanity.. too busy getting like minded people together to work out and solve many problems. Break down the walls of copyright and the like and give things to humanity instead of charging a fortune for it.

If you've got the chance, make your mark..

Your post reminds me of a short story that I once read, it changed the way that I look at life and the way that I live.

"The businessman was at the pier of a small coastal Mexican village when a small boat with just one fisherman docked. Inside the small boat were several large yellowfin tuna. The businessman complimented the Mexican on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took to catch them. The Mexican replied only a little while.

The businessman then asked why he didn't stay out longer and catch more fish? The Mexican said he had enough to support his family's immediate needs. The businessman then asked, but what do you do with the rest of your time? The Mexican fisherman said, "I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take a siesta with my wife, Maria, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine and play guitar with my amigos; I have a full and busy life, señor."
The businessman scoffed, "I am a Harvard MBA and I could help you. You should spend more time fishing and with the proceeds buy a bigger boat. With the proceeds from the bigger boat you could buy several boats; eventually you would have a fleet of fishing boats. Instead of selling your catch to a middleman, you would sell directly to the processor and eventually open your own cannery. You would control the product, processing and distribution. You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Mexico City, then LA and eventually New York City where you would run your expanding enterprise."
The Mexican fisherman asked, "But señor, how long will this all take?" To which the businessman replied, "15-20 years." "But what then, señor?" The businessman laughed and said, "That's the best part! When the time is right you would announce an IPO and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich. You would make millions." "Millions, señor? Then what?" The businessman said, "Then you would retire. Move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take a siesta with your wife, stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos."

The fisherman, still smiling, looked up and said, "Isn't that what I'm doing right now?"

-Author Unknown

Nice post.

I'm in my late 20s and have been working and in school/college my entire life. The saddest part is seeing your family grow old while your in school chasing your dream, which probably won't be the dream job I expect. Sure I'll make a lot of money, but will it really be worth it?

It does feel unnatural. More importantly it makes me feel like I have to squander away some of the best years of a really short time here on earth. I think this sense of being trapped and forced to work in this unnatural way leads people to consider suicide, very sad. I don't know what we can do.

if you find a job you love.. you will never have to work a day in your life..

2nd

I'd suggest you plan your escape towards financial freedom, where the money works for you rather than you working for the money.

Debt slavery and wage slavery will always feel unnatural.

Originally posted by GeminiSky
reply to post by HomeBrew

 

I agree with that, however I would be happier just living of the land and working for my own survival, which in todays modern world is pretty much impossible.

No, its not.
You can find plenty of unspoiled land on the earth where you can survive in a cave or some ramshackle hut in the middle of nowhere where arguably you may never see another soul for the rest of your life.

Once your out there, you will feel very much one with nature..and eventually you will recognise the benefits of grouping together and going towards unnatural society (or not). Do it though, take a year off and check it out

Yeah I am the same age as you and know exactly how you feel. Feels like a waste of life. Cant say much more you pretty much covered may thoughts.