Do you feel like Having to Work is un-natural?

reply to post by arbiture


Good for you brother, I commend you for taking the initiative and standing up to that pig, and also helping a good man in need. As they say, Karma's a B**ch!

--GS

reply to post by Erongaricuaro


We did win - but they changed the rules in the form of a bailout. I hear what you are saying though and do agree there is still opportunity out there, takes alot of hard work, a bit of luck and playing your cards right. When we get the upper hand we need to play our cards right - not to support our future generations but to provide them a safety barrier - I believe a self sufficient house you can live in would be the ultimate safety barrier that can be passed on to the future generations.

reply to post by SmokeandShadow


Please understand, I was not making light of your situation. I’ve also been unemployed, more then once and it’s so de-humanizing, so degrading. And you, perhaps,as I did felt worthless. My back ground is some what esoteric. Hard science (applied research at the “edge”) and technology analysis. I have worked for 30yrs plus as a consultant/business owner. Thats one of the reasons I always liked, in fact had to work for my self. There is a serious problem when you have worked for your own company for so long. I can’t imagine working for anyone else again. I’m not the smartest or the best or the richest dude, not by a long shot (also not a door knob either…) But boy, I really enjoy what I do. It may take you a while to get to the place where you look forward to actually going to “work". When you get there you will know, and that is sweet joy. It’s very easy to be angry, quite natural. Just keep going, and ask yourself “what do you really like doing” As a man skilled w/his hands, thats a gift and I am not patronizing. But what do your REALLY want to do? A job just for a job is of course important. But the people I know who excel, really excel also feel great satisfaction in what they do. Hang in there buddy.

Retirement kills people, or so I've heard. Too much leisure time can be a bad thing. At the very least if you've found someone else to do all your work for you then get a hobby which challenges you.

well, here is the thing...while there is no such thing as a free lunch (not counting welfare, etc.), you are right in that there is something sadistic about the hours that we must work to survive...this, basically, is the result of financial slavery that we suffer under the Federal Reserve private bank...think about it, our income tax goes to a bunch of private bankers, so if you didnt have to pay half of your earnings to fascist bankers, you could work half as hard for the same amount...and, since people wouldnt have to work as hard, there would be a lot more jobs and hours for employers to fill...it is no accident that the system is set up, as you say, to keep people working every second of their lives just to survive...the federal reserve and the private bankers that keep us all enslaved are the bane of mankind, and they should be tortured mercilessly in Gitmo every second of the rest of their lives for their crimes...

Originally posted by eNumbra
Working is only "unnatural" when you aren't enjoying it.

Find your passion, turn a profit, never hate your job again.


edit to add:

Working in an office and sitting in a cubicle is truly the seventh circle of hell.

Corporate America is a backward waste land, where the knuckle draggers and butt smoochers rule the land, where intelligent, original, free thinking individuals are shunned and frowned upon.

It is difficult for the virtuous man to exist in a world of greedy sell out's, having to grind away your best years working to make a profit for some corrupt and crooked company that you could care less about, just so you can afford to live.

The business world is a snake pit and a waste of good human life. It only serves those shallow few who base their entire existence and self worth around the crap that they acquire. And like in every company the people on or near the bottom make the least money while doing the lions share of the work, and the few at the top get paid ridiculous sums to do very little.

Its a scam and an insult to any moderately intelligent person.

And BTW OP, I have done sales and worked in the business world for over 15 years and I feel your pain. It is a daily grind and not one that I particularly enjoy. Unfortunately we all have to survive, and working beats starving or going to prison.

Yes I do feel that. That's why I don't work. I make my money online. It's easier than you think. Nothing beats the feeling of cash flowing in when you sleep. You don't have to work to make money. I don't believe in selling my time.

I love genuine work.
tilling the soil to plant seeds, cutting wood for fires/cooking, weeding planted areas, thinning out wooded areas to allow new growth/feeding area for animals. Keeping certain areas untouched for wildlife. building walls with natural stone from the ground.
Being busy with my mind and hands.. Experiencing the outside air every day.

I dislike "open the door, put metal in, close the door, push a button, open the door, remove bolt, put metal in, close the door, push a button..."
All for a wage, usually minimum wage for factory work.

You might one day find that companies pay out their profits to employees instead of the companies fat cats keeping it all...this would be a big incentive for employees to do well, but it wont free them from the same old mundane work.

Knowing that your food is planted and growing, the wood's all prepped for its various uses, your home has a new roof and that the rest of the day is yours, you'll find you got lots of time to go anywhere and do what you want to do.. even if it is sitting in the garden all day.

When you're with your friends and family working the land, you find you don't worry about having to shave so often. You don't notice that you all have a slight whiff of sweat from your days labour, you don't mind cracking open a few beers and you stop worrying about how you'll feel when you wake up the next morning...there's no rush.

I did some oyster picking in France. We collected a tonne of them in a day. But there was no pressure to actually 'perform', especially when, at lunch time, there was plenty of red wine, cheese, ham and bread being circulated. Was a happy afternoon on the beach.

Being able to stand back and look at the wall you built or the trees you planted 20 years ago and saying "I did that" is sometimes far more rewarding than being paid to do it for somebody else and never seeing it again.

^^^^ Some work is real... it is accomplishment, from simple to meticulous tasks. Some "work" is just fueling a broken system. We can't just throw our hands up at that but we should really try backing away from such things.

Shoot, you are only 24 and have been working for 6 years.
Wait till you are 50. Seems like most your life is spent serving the machine.

I know what your saying and how you feel and it would seem nice to be a hunter gatherer again but it
isn't as easy and romantic as it sounds. Your family could be die from starvation if you had a bad month.

This thread pulled at my heart strings a bit.
I can very much see and feel where you are coming from Gemini, and I think that the reason for you feeling this way, is most likely because you are in a place of work that doesn't thrill or excite you.

You know when we are all kids, and we so often would state things like ''I want to be a doctor when I grow up'' etc. Well wasn't there something back then that you feel you would have just *loved* to do? Something that you would have enjoyed day in day out?

I feel that you have just chosen the wrong career, much like the op from glp did. And when that happens, the result is feeling that it is un-natural.

On a second note though, I will add that my dream would really be to simply live off the land, and be self sufficient in every way. I wish for a world where we can survive on our own without the need for money. I wish there was NO money at all, and we were back in the simple days of trade.

I sincerely hope that one day soon, you will find something that makes you feel happy.

Sales is known to be a mundane job. Get out of it if you can.

Originally posted by Extralien
I love genuine work.
tilling the soil to plant seeds, cutting wood for fires/cooking, weeding planted areas, thinning out wooded areas to allow new growth/feeding area for animals. Keeping certain areas untouched for wildlife. building walls with natural stone from the ground.
Being busy with my mind and hands.. Experiencing the outside air every day.

This is the stuff that dreams are made of. You are a lucky man/woman.

If you were dumped off into the wilderness and your only job was to survive, you would be surprised at how much work that is. Just finding drinkable water can take you a day. Think you are frustrated getting paid $50 an hour to sit in an air conditioned office cubicle and surf facebook in between phone calls? Try spending 2 days hunting elusive prey animals while your stomach is growling and your hands trembling from hunger. Hate that alarm clock going off at 6am for you to start your day? Try not being able to sleep because you keep hearing something moving around in the woods near your camp. Think it's unfair when your boss confronts you about you not meeting your deadlines? Try having a black bear confront you because she wants to rip out your liver and feed it to her cubs.

Yes, living modern life is not "natural", but consider the alternative, and be careful what you wish for.

Originally posted by GeminiSky
reply to post by HomeBrew

 

I agree with that, however I would be happier just living of the land and working for my own survival, which in todays modern world is pretty much impossible.

The only things that need to keep running in the world are powerplants, and agriculture. Only a few % of world population needs to work, the rest can do what they want to do. And we could take turns in shift.

Finally I have some one on the same page as me I fill the same way brother. But the higher society folks call
that being lazy well I call it being a slave. Iv spent the last 8 to 10 months as a night guard at a casino Fri to sun wed to Thu shift it drives me crazy bro knowing my girls at da house by her self every night.

but let's face it I mean I have no 401k dental medical prophet sharen etc nothin with this company the only thing I have to look forward to is the one night I do get off but iv been filling the exact way about my job but I Think its just this material world coming to an end.

But when you do find a another alternative to working make sure I'm the first you tell bro cause I'm really Starten to fill the pressure of the day to day grind!

Scenario to chance to world.

Take advantage of the wave of protest around the world. The content of the protest is to remove the old regime.
Well our regime/system is at the end of its life cycle. The world needs to do the Egyptian thing. After a few weeks of protesting, we claim the media. Seek contact with other free human countries.

We map our networks*TV,internet), and look at what is needed to keep them running. We map our agriculture, and see how we can keep them running. share share share

That's it , no more money just expansion of creation. Only some weeks a year you are obligated to do some work in Agriculture or power supply

Originally posted by Wildeagle
I will add that my dream would really be to simply live off the land, and be self sufficient in every way. I wish for a world where we can survive on our own without the need for money. I wish there was NO money at all, and we were back in the simple days of trade.

Oddly enough, I am seeing this very thing beginning to happen.. At the moment though it is in its spiritual stage.
When I say spiritual, I am looking at how many people, new to a lot of topics we discuss here, 'wake up'.

Those already in the know have a state of mind ready and prepared for any changes. This surge of mental freedom is lifting our spirits.

The events in Egypt these last 18 days are a prime example of that. Massive amounts of people, thinking the same way, knowing something is not right, standing up and doing something about it.

Many people fear a global meltdown of money, food and fuel.. food and fuel will strangle us because of its cost. It is quite simple for everyone to work together and break the chain of 'money' if it all goes wrong.

Thousands of farms being paid to not grow anything would immediately be growing something. Hundreds of people swarming to these farms to help.
We are at a stage where the 'idea' behind the Venus project could start to become a reality of sorts.
We may have a big surprise in the way Egypt will now run itself.. I hope they have some seriously good ideas and make Egypt a shining example again.

reply to post by Extralien


Isn't it just miraculous to see what they have achieved. That is standing up - waking up - becoming!
It is such a pleasure to have been able to see a nation do such a thing, and can only hope that others follow in their footsteps, of such an awakening.
It's in the works anyway. It's happening!

Originally posted by Wildeagle
reply to post by Extralien

 

Isn't it just miraculous to see what they have achieved. That is standing up - waking up - becoming!
It is such a pleasure to have been able to see a nation do such a thing, and can only hope that others follow in their footsteps, of such an awakening.
It's in the works anyway. It's happening!

Its miraculous indeed, where is our miracle?
I just move to a park today and sit with a sign, 'stop and act like an Egyptian '

I bet that in the end of the day I wont be sitting there alone. That's how we create our miracle, i hope