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Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by lowki
I started scanning this thread and your perspective came into my mind right away and then I read your post. I've heard the term you describe before, but I heard it described as 'waged bondage'. I'm in the UK - the average citizen's salary runs out 8 days before the nexy paycheque is due. In 'affluent' Switzerland the cheque runs out about 5 days before the next pay day.
It's been designed that way quite intentionally. I can now go out and buy a DVD player for a tenner
- but it costs almost a month's salary to pay for my quarterly domestic fuel bills. Then there's petrol,
the mortgage, the housing tax (council tax here)
, the VAT (sales tax) now 20% in the UK,
childcare costs (both parents now have to work to pay for the crazy house prices - I'm not sure that's what women's lib really had in mind when they advocated choice),
food, clothing for work and then whatever's, if anything, can contribute to quality of life.
Crazily enough, we do this to ourselves by mass concensus. If we refused to play we could stop this sick game in ooooh about 18 days.
I like the sound of 'intentional communities'. It appeals to me on a very human level.
It's all well and good being a participant in the 'rat race' - but we're NOT rats.
Dunbar's number is a theoretical cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships. These are relationships in which an individual knows who each person is, and how each person relates to every other person.
Proponents assert that numbers larger than this generally require more restrictive rules, laws, and enforced norms to maintain a stable, cohesive group. No precise value has been proposed for Dunbar's number. It has been proposed to lie between 100 and 230, with a commonly used value of 150.
Originally posted by Reflection
Until we can give up our addiction to materialism, this process will continue. The rich will keep getting richer and the struggling will continue to struggle. Social mobility will come to a stand still if it hasn't already.
Originally posted by Joshsetafire
I'm currently 25, going on 50 through the daily grind of getting up in the morning to the sound of an alarm that I want to blow up, getting dressed in clothing I hate, eating a breakfast that is quickly and carelessly cooked (if ever), getting in my car and driving amongsts others in the same poor mood and hopefully making it on time to work. My job is great as well, as far as pay and happiness standards can be at work. Alas, I still feel like Winston Smith walking the halls of the Ministry of Truth. Never being able to speak my mind without repercussions or act as I would normally, or even ever tell a cute coworker how much I would like to get busy with her (sorry, not sexist, just a normal virile male who feels that it's natural to find a beautiful coworker desireable). It is refreshing to hear from younger, yes even by a year, generations that there are others who notice that this grind is soul-killing. If you could for one moment daydream of the deterioration of our society due to cataclysm or way, when the grind becomes impossible but pure savage living comes back, would we miss this? Would we for one second look back and miss travelling on a freeway in a rush? If our "civilized" way of lives and work were displaced and we were forced back to a more tribal, disconnected through internet and cell phone lifestyle, where no television told you the "truth" and all that you knew of was the land on your horizons, would you at all miss this outsourced living? Living vicariously through celebrities, in envy of their ability to use their 40 hours a week to travel the world at their luxury is what we do as we watch the TV.
Originally posted by Loki Lyesmyth
reply to post by XLR8R
There is nothing wrong with sewing.. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH SELLING COFFEE FOR $6 a cup.
Think about it. Sewing you clothed people... WHAT THE HELL DOES A $6 cup of coffee do?
I have to ask, do you really want to go back in time to the age where man hunted, fought to defend his plot, and built his own shelter?
If you did not work, how would you afford things like, electricity, cable, phone, internet, a car? How would you afford health insurance? How would you pay for things like glasses or dentist visits?
And hunting only accounts for a small portion of human nutritional needs. Are you also willing to plant and farm, tend flocks, grow your food, etc
What you are suggesting is actually more work, than just going to a 9-5, or a 9-9 in your case, and then collecting a paycheck.
I think you have become complacent and forgot about all the luxuries we have been afforded, by the progression of technology and the ability to buy and pay for these new commodities.
I personally prefer to not go back to the olden days. I enjoy being able to watch tv, get online, go to the doctor when I need to, get in my car and drive, etc.
Either way, you are going to work. Whether it be in the field and with the flocks, or in the office or workplace. God created man to work.
He said that by the sweat of man's brow you will eat. He said that a man who does not work, does not eat.