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posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 05:26 PM
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Hello all,

I am writing a Thesis on the Military Industrial Complex, and I was wondering if you guys can provide me with links of anything you think is relevant and important. I will then gather all the information and write a thesis for it.

The theme for my thesis: Does the Military Industrial complex exist in the past, and present, and will it exist in the future and whether President Eisenhower was correct in his Farewell Speech.

Important Note: Am not asking anyone to write there own opinion, And I will not PLAGIARIZE anyone's work. am just asking for help with the supporting evidence and or the evidence refuting it.

Thanks.




posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Depends how deep you want to go, my personal research has led me to The Grand Council of the Soverign Military Order of Malta. You may want to source The Knights of The Maltese Cross by James Parton 1961.
if you can find it, good learning.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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Not to plug my own thread, but check the link below about the secret space program.

A lot of what Ike was talking about is in that thread.

And remember- the MIC is not necessarily or entirely evil- hence, Shades of Gray.

Best wishes for the success of your endeavour,

Chakotay

edit on 11-2-2011 by Chakotay because: CLASSIFIED



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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well .... a lil advice,

don't write it


find another topic.

most folks who write about it
wind up deceased or wind up
with permanent knee cap
injuries.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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I have to admit that I've always been confused by the notion of the so-called "military industrial complex".

It seems like a sexy catch-phrase that has been adopted by your general liberal and "progressive" anti-capitalist malcontents who just don't like the government and especially hate the military.

Yeah, there are industries that make military goods. Is that a newsflash or a deep, dark conspiracy? I don't think so.

Why not do a thesis on the "soda pop industrial complex" or the "diaper and baby wipe industrial complex"? It would seem to me to make as much sense.




posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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You made me laugh there.... Am just writing it for my English Class.

But my goal is to get websites linking lets say congress men/women with companies. Or Links to Campaign contributions from companies to governmental personal.
Something along those lines am looking for. I have found some-things but nothing too important to cite in my paper.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 05:45 PM
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Definition of Military Industrial Complex: covers the policy and relationship between the government and military powers and the financial and industrial support given to the military for training, arms, defense facilities, and equipment.

Soda pop?

There is a correlation between policy's that come out of Washington and big biz. IE: Private Military Forces....Iraq, I would think everyone would know this connection between the two.

Also, Haliburton....(ex Vice prez...Ex CEO)


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posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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you should email rumsfield, cheney and bush's representatives and include their lies and b.s. in your thesis, who know's they might slip up and give you some information.

email mainstream media reporters and get their perspectives and try to follow up on what they say.

it would also be good to get some quotes from blackwater inc. now xe and haliburton and include their scheming lies and deception. whatever their replies are, the opposite is the truth.

set up an interview with a general or commander of any bases near where you live. get their take on it. generally they are truthful and if they can't answer your questions they'll let you know that they've been ordered not to discuss it.

don't bother with senators, anything they say is complete b.s.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by morf991
reply to post by MMPI2
 



Definition of Military Industrial Complex: covers the policy and relationship between the government and military powers and the financial and industrial support given to the military for training, arms, defense facilities, and equipment.

Soda pop?

There is a correlation between policy's that come out of Washington and big biz. IE: Private Military Forces....Iraq, I would think everyone would know this connection between the two.


edit on 11-2-2011 by morf991 because: (no reason given)


Yeah, but isn't there a correlation between policies that come out of Washington and most all big business?

Just because there is a correlation, can you imply causation or some other nefarious relationship?

What has private military contractors got to do with it?




posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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reply to post by morf991
 

Since it's your thesis, I'll let you do the data gathering, but some concepts you should research to help validate your argument are:

  • How the military industry changed from before WW2, to after WW2
  • Quantify the number of corporations dedicated to war products before and after WW2
  • Quantify the military budget as a percentage of the Gross National Product from 1900 to present.

That should get you some solid data - Google will help you find the answers those. Graph it. Plot Eisenhower's speech on that graph as well as WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War, 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq

If you can present that graph, you'll have a strong argument in support of your thesis.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by morf991
You made me laugh there.... Am just writing it for my English Class.

But my goal is to get websites linking lets say congress men/women with companies. Or Links to Campaign contributions from companies to governmental personal.
Something along those lines am looking for. I have found some-things but nothing too important to cite in my paper.

dude, ur young
u got ur whole life in front of ya.
why do u wanna jeopardize all that
by writing a thesis on the connection
between politicians and military industry??
Was this assigned to you? or can you
change the subject of your thesis ???



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 06:01 PM
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Ladies and Gentlemen:

Am not asking for you opinions.....Am simply asking for is links to websites about the subject to help me along with the thesis.

The whole point of me making this...was to find credible evidence on the subject at hand. Please do not respond if you do not have any important information to pass along.

I hate to sound rude, and its not that I don't care about your opinions..But I have to find the evidence (non-opinionated based), and useless posts defeat the purpose of this thread. Which I will say once more: To find evidence about the Military Industrial Complex

Thanks.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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for a thesis it is way to large... you need to lower it down some more levels...

otherwise this thread is fishing... but ill play...

try wikipeadia... quote the original links at the bottom...

get info on your teachers... gather intell and find their views... liberal, conservative, libertarian...

make sure the topic is brought up by someone else or fish through past papers by the teacher....

bend your response to it...

a new thesis topic... ike(or fdr, bush, ect...) and the military industrial complex

how to safely reform the IMC for better results in 2011

the air force and the IMC...(or any branch)

you see where I am going break this down better for what you need otherwise if this is truly just a paper you will get an epic fail... equals f not the a this could be...

This best bs I ever read was by a friend... after getting this liberal teachers veiw from a blonde well endowed female he went looking for past papers by the teacher... between the two, (even referencing the teachers own work, hee concluded the teacher was right about six of seven point still today... That time had changed the reference to the last point so technically the papre was still right...

He found seperate more modern references, and also found a paper by the department head he referenced... needless to say he got an A on his midterm project...

he also got away with murder for the rest of the semester, he was considered a bright child. (something about impeciable sources and research)

It was a great paper, on modern ethics versus standard historical ethics when it came to business in macro economies

his original title was business ethics...


see the difference....

your link...

MIC wiki



slice it down it pays...



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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Please ensure that you include within your analysis the effective nature of the phenomenon.

I mean, people think of the MIC as big businesses that provide weapons and services to standing armies, but it is MUCH more than that. Look at Xe (Blackwater) and the CIA... compare the actual things they do. Commerce is one thing, but commercial execution (and thereby exploitation) of national policy is problematic.. and you will see why.

Make sure to read up on the things several past presidents have said... and even past military leaders.

Research the alleged American "coup attempt" .... Look at things like industrial profit levels before and after wars. National debt loads, etc..... I'll say no more.... I know you don't want my opinion.
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posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 06:04 PM
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reply to post by harrytuttle
 


Thanks for your input, I am very much grateful for your post.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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The whole point of me making this...was to find credible evidence on the subject at hand. Please do not respond if you do not have any important information to pass along.


OK. Here is some important information for you:

The "military industrial complex" is no more different than any other large inclusive industry...mining, energy, heavy manufacturing, healthcare, etc.

It is a necessary industry niche that makes money and supplies goods to people, organizations and countries that want them.

End of topic.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 06:12 PM
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Keep us posted on your thesis.... please.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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I can see from your post you just copy and pasted a segment of my statement. Thanks
Please read it completely.

And as you where opinionated from your statement. I ask that you don't not respond to this thread.

Thanks for your response and I hope you understand, why am asking you not respond anymore.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by MMPI2
Just because there is a correlation, can you imply causation or some other nefarious relationship?

What has private military contractors got to do with it?


The obvious problem with the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) is the corruption. That's what Eisenhower was talking about, but he said it very politely.

It goes like this. You get a big war (WW2) - the entire nation mobilizes for the biggest war in history. In order to manufacture all those war machines, companies need to be converted from making peaceful products to war products.

TONS of Government money goes into that conversion process. Your factories begin spewing out great war products in huge numbers. The Government pays it's bills and your factory profits greatly. Yeah! capitalism.

Your company wins, your nation wins WW2. But then...the nation's victory is your company's loss. The government only orders a small amount of products. This "peacetime" stuff is for the birds - how are you going to make money?

You could retrofit your factory to make peacetime products, but...that conversion is expensive. Being America, you would have to compete with a bunch of companies that are already good at making that peacetime stuff.

What to do?

You gather all the leaders of the corporations that made war products, you pool your resources, and you head to Washington to "influence" leaders and representatives to modify foreign policy. You create "think tanks" to help figure out what the next threat is. The leaders begin to speak to the nation about some new "outside threat".

In the 50's it was Communism.

Now with everyone on board to protect the nation from this new threat, you decide to "stop communism" where ever it exists in the world. So your nation starts the Korean War.

The Government orders more of your product, and your profits go up! HEY, IT WORKED!!!

But that war ends eventually, and in anticipation of that you and your war company friends, think tanks, and elected representatives you have in your back pocket begin setting your sites on some new "communist" threat.

Vietnam begins to be spoken of.

The President of the United States, before leaving office in 1961, gives a farewell speech which warns the nation about YOU and your war company friends, and the influences you have on the nation.

The rest, as they say, is history. You and your friends get smarter and more ruthless in your strategies to create wars. Your interests become very, very powerful. By the time the year 2000 rolls around, you have just about every politician in your back pocket, as well as numerous media organizations, multinational banks, and up and coming Presidential Candidates.

Communism has been dead for 10 years, and business isn't looking so good. President Clinton cut a lot of your war funding from 1992 to 1999. There are no nations that defeat yours since you have now created a military super power.

What to do? Asymmetric Warfare (aka Terrorism).

How do you convince your nation to go to war against another country that hasn't invaded any other nation and has absolutely no capabilities to hurt yours?

You fund, enable, and allow a terrorist group to attack your country. The terrorists have no idea that you have opened the door, paid for their way, and are protecting them until they carry out their act. Your operatives are that good now.

The attack occurs, and you have as much war as you want for the next 12 years.

Business is booming.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by morf991
reply to post by MMPI2
 


I can see from your post you just copy and pasted a segment of my statement. Thanks
Please read it completely.

And as you where opinionated from your statement. I ask that you don't not respond to this thread.

Thanks for your response and I hope you understand, why am asking you not respond anymore.


I read the whole thing. The segment I quoted was the only segment in your post that was germane. Thanks for being interested in the content of my reading.

There is no opinion in what I have stated. Just fact. Read it, learn it and live it.

I will respond as much in this thread as I please. You will not dictate terms of internet use to me.

For you I will quote Noam Chomsky:


"There is no military-industrial complex: it's just the industrial system operating under one or another pretext...defense was a pretext for a long time.


In On Power, Dissent, and Racism: a Series of Discussions with Noam Chomsky, Baraka Productions, 2003.

I am going to recommend you chase down this reference. Perhaps it will help you understand the facts as I have presented them, and put aside the sophomoric ideals you have adopted in your "thesis".

You can IM me if you have questions.







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