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Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
Am I wasting my money?
Anyways any responses from people with info on all this will be greatly appreciated.
Gnostic Hermetic Teachings
Golden Dawn, Secret Societies, and the Path
Samael Aun Weor & "Crowley's" Thelema
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
reply to post by jeasahtheseer
I know the EOGD has the Sanctuary of Ma'at in San Francisco. This is an actual temple and is not "astral initiation based." I agree that physical initiations are much better and have more impact on the initiate than self-initiation. However, not everyone lives close to a temple or pronaos so I guess those people have to make the best of what they have. There are many online groups for those students who are forced or choose to do self-initiation.
For some reason, I keep thinking there is another group who is also in the Bay Area (besides AMORC), but for the life of me I can't remember who it is. I will make a few inquiries and let you know....
Let it be understood that due to his surreptitious actions, the websites of our Order under the names of www.golden-dawn.org and www.esotericgoldendawn.com are under his personal control. All moneys, inquiries and applications sent via these websites currently go to him personally and do not go to our Order. Any personal information provided to his sites will ultimately be used by him as part of his marketing database to promote his personal products. No Temple of our Order supports him nor will perform initiations on behalf of those from whom he accepts money and applications. As such, any promise of initiation, astral or otherwise, that he makes will be a deception.
For the time being the official websites representing the Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn as a whole will be those of our two Grand Temples: info.eogdisis.com and www.templeptah.org.
Sincerely and in LVX,
The Chiefs and Adepti of the Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
The Tower of Babel (1)
Listen: when you enter into this knowledge of Gnosticism, you will find many people whose personalities tend to say, "Let us build a Gnostic group, which we will call with another name." So, we see many groups everywhere, and people forming them saying, "Let us call it the New Order." Here is another saying, "Let us call it AGA or IGA, or CIGA, or AGEAC, or CEG, or AGEACAC, etc." Thus every group builds a particular idiosyncrasy related to their personality. And they say, "Now let us put on top of that tower a leader, an idol, a personality!" And the rule is that everybody who wants to be in that tower has to follow that personality, and they have many reasons why such a personality is so important. And you hear all the time, from every direction, from every group, "If you do not follow the one at the top of our tower, then you are on the wrong path." Nevertheless, in these sad cases, their mistake is that the personality has nothing to do with the Gnostic way. The Gnostic way is psychological (Psyche - Logos).
The personality is important. And yes, groups are necessary. This is why in this group to which we belong we respect all groups and we welcome all of the other groups. But we are not saying that our group is better or that in order to be in our group you have to worship some person, or follow somebody, or worship any idol, in other words, the personality of this individual because he is the one that follows after Samael Aun Weor, etc.
Listen: there is only one individual who is the head of this doctrine, this wisdom that we represent, and his name is Samael Aun Weor, who said: "I am only a messenger." The knowledge in itself belongs to the universe. Gnosis does not belong to any group or movement. Gnosis does not belong to any personality. Gnosis is universal, and belongs to Christ, who gives it to us through his messengers.
Thus, we have to make unity within and discover that unity inside of ourselves, and make a society based upon that, but if we forget that then we will fall into the "confusion of tongues." This is how we will start following idols, or precepts given by personalities who do not understand the Arcanum (the Ark), thus they built a tower of Babel and call it "gnostic."
Originally posted by crystalbeing
reply to post by jeasahtheseer
Sorry I cant help im not a member of any kind of brotherhoods but I wanted to ask why you dislike self initition so much? Wouldnt communicating with your higher self for knowledge be more benifititial then bending to the will of a group whom might not have the same desires as you?