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Originally posted by Ayrton
I just read the blog from your link, lisa2012. Sounds very interesting, undo might find it interesting too.
I have a question though, what exactly does "Babele" represent, a rock structure on the outside if I understand correctly?
Is it a word used in romanian or was it first used by Massini?
Originally posted by aquarius7
Here is an interesting article about the geometry that dacians used when building strongholds
It's in romanian though
This is in short a translation of the secret geometry for the mountains region in Bucegi :
Vinca was excavated between 1918 and 1934 and was revealed as a civilisation in its own right: a forgotten civilisation, which Marija Gimbutas would later call “Old Europe”.
Indeed, as early as the 6th millennium BC, three millennia before Dynastic Egypt, the Vinca culture was already a genuine civilisation.
Yes, it was a civilisation: a typical town consisted of houses with complex architectural layouts and several rooms, built of wood that was covered in mud. The houses sat along streets, thus making Vinca the first urban settlement in Europe, but equally being older than the cities of Mesopotamia and Egypt. And the town of Vinca itself was just one of several metropolises, with others at Divostin, Potporanj, Selevac, Plocnik and Predionica. Maria Gimbutas concluded that “in the 5th and early 4th millennia BC, just before its demise in east-central Europe, Old Europeans had towns with a considerable concentration of population, temples several stories high, a sacred script, spacious houses of four or five rooms, professional ceramicists, weavers, copper and gold metallurgists, and other artisans producing a range of sophisticated goods.
A flourishing network of trade routes existed that circulated items such as obsidian, shells, marble, copper, and salt over hundreds of kilometres.” Everything about “Old Europe” is indeed older than anything else in Europe or the Near East.
To return to their script. Gimbutas had a go at trying to translate it and called it the “language of the goddess”. She based her work on that of Shan Winn, who had completed the largest catalogue of Vinca signs to date. He narrowed the number of signs down to 210, stating that most of the signs were composed of straight lines and were rectilinear in shape. Only a minority had curved lines, which was perhaps due to the difficulty of curved carving on the clay surface. In a final synthesis, he concluded that all Vinca signs were found to be constructed out of five core signs: - a straight line; - two lines that intersect at the centre; - two lines that intersect at one end; - a dot; - a curved line.
Traditionally, the Sumerian site of Uruk had been dated to 3500-3200 BC.
Vlassa’s discovery was initially (before the carbon dating results) further confirmation that the “Vinca Culture” had strong parallels with Sumer.
Everyone agreed that the Sumerians had influenced Vinca Culture (and the site of Tartaria/Romania), which had therefore been assigned a date of 2900-2600 BC (by the traditional, comparative methodology, which relied on archaeologists’ logic, rather than hard scientific evidence).
Sinclair Hood suggested that Sumerian prospectors had been drawn by the gold-bearing deposits in the Transylvanian region, resulting in these off-shoot cultures. But if the carbon dating results were correct, then Tartaria was 4000 BC, which meant that the Vinca Culture was older than Sumer, or Sumer was at least a millennium older than what archaeologists had so far assumed.
Either way, archaeology would be in a complete state of disarray and either some or all archaeologists would be wrong.
Voila, the reason as to why radio carbon dating was attacked, rather than merely revising erroneous timelines and opinions.
The Vinca Culture was also millennia ahead of the status quo on mining.
At the time, mining was thought not to predate 4000 BC, though in recent years, examples of as far back as 70,000 years ago have been discovered. The copper mine at Rudna Glava, 140 km east of Belgrade, is at least 7000 years old and had vertical shafts going as deep as twenty metres and at the time of its discovery was again extremely controversial.
Further insights into “Old Europe” came about in November 2007, when it was announced that excavations at an ancient settlement in southern Serbia had revealed the presence of a furnace, used for melting metal. The furnace had tools in it: a copper chisel and a two-headed hammer and axe. Most importantly, several of the metal objects that were made here, were recovered from the site. The excavation also uncovered a series of statues.
Archaeologist Julka Kuzmanovic-Cvetkovic observed that "according to the figurines we found, young women were beautifully dressed, like today's girls in short tops and mini skirts, and wore bracelets around their arms."
The unnamed tribe who lived between 5400 and 4700 BC in the 120-hectare site at what is now Plocnik knew about trade, handcrafts, art and metallurgy. The excavation also provided further insights into Old Europe: for example, near the settlement, a thermal well might be evidence of Europe’s oldest spa. Houses had stoves and there were special holes for trash, while the dead were buried in a tidy necropolis. People slept on woollen mats and fur, made clothes of wool, flax and leather, and kept animals. The community was also especially fond of children: artefacts that were recovered included toys such as animals and rattles of clay, and small, clumsily crafted pots apparently made by children at playtime.
Originally posted by fakedirt
reply to post by Telos
i am amazed you read the book in such a short time. you may need to cool your processor down!
i read the book twice over a period of three months. another member borrowed the book and spent two plus months processing this information. guess i'm getting old!
the follow-up book trans- moonrise has been knocked back from its publishing date and we expect a delivery asap.
Originally posted by Telos
Well apparently nobody has replied Anyway, is almost 1.30 in the morning and I just finished the book. Needless to say, I'm baffled, astonished and totally amazed. If only half of what are written in the book were to be true, I can say out loud that we all have been living in a big lie and deception. The discovery is behind every known or possible thing that can be imagined. Giant race of humans, unbelievable advanced technology, a total different history of our planet, human beings and humanity it self, Atlantis, Lemuria, Egyptian Pyramids, who and how is the world controlled today, the political implication of the discovery, the diplomatic relation between two countries, Romania and USA, the real reason for the Iraqi War which is strictly connected with the same discovery in Brucegi etc. I found the book on Amazon for 12 $. IMO is a must read for all of you who are interested in the phenomena and also in expanding your knowledge. Is it true? I can't say. Is it a lie? I can't say that either. All I can say is that it defies everything we know of science and technology and especially our past as humans.
Originally posted by Telos
Actually I'm more interested in the exploration of the tunnel that goes into inner earth. I had to read this thread again from the beginning and can't stop laughing with some comments about neanderthals or how people fanatically stick on what science has taught us. We all wonder why secrecy is kept so well and right under our noses forgetting that is us who keep things wrapped in secrecy with our disbelief and closed mind.