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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 02:34 AM
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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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My bad, I didn't notice that a page was missing. I knew something was wrong when i saw that the beginning wasn't there.

Here we go again:

First page:

An amazing discovery

For the first time we could find out about the scandalous objecy discovered in the summer of 1973 in Aiud, in 1983, from Florin Gheorghita's book, "Enigmas in the galaxy", printed by "Junimea" Iasi. In the 6th chapter, "Visits on the blue planet", page 152, the author describes tge history of the sensational discovery in Aiud. According to the author, in 1973, near Aiud, with the occasion of excavations in a sand quarry, in a 10m deep layer, were found "3 bodies encassed in a shell of pressed sand"(quote page 152). An expert called to the scene "identified in one of the respective bodies a fossiliesed bone"(quote page 153). The expert surrendered the findings at Cluj-Napoca. Here ends the first part of the bizarre discovery's odyssey. A surprise object Experts cleared the sediment layer from the most bulkiest object. It was no small surprise when they discovered that it was a weird shaped, metallic object with obvious signs of being manufactured. According to the Iesean author, the other 2 relics were part of the "skeleton of a mastodon"(quote pg 153). Intrigued by the item's aspect and the fact that in such an old geological layer an artificial metallic object, Clujean experts sent fragments for analysis, at the centre of research of ICPMMN Magurele.

Another surprise: An ancient aluminum object! The performed analysis baffled even the experts from Magurele. The object was composed from an alloy of aluminum with ingredients from other rare metals. Let's see the conclusions of these experts, reproduced in the book of the Iesean engineer: "(...) it was a complex alloy composed from 12 diverse elements, dosed in different percentages. The main ingredient - the big surprise - was aluminum (89%)! The rest of the component elements that were found (in the order of the size of the determined percentages): copper (6.2%), silicon (2.84%) zinc (1.81%), lead (0.41%), tin (0.33%), zirconium (0.2%), cadmium (0.11%), nickel (0.0024%), cobalt (0.0023%), bismuth (0.0003%), silver (0.0002%), galium (traces)." (quote pg 154). The same experts were surprised that the layer of aluminum oxide from the surface of the object and also being surprised of the state of "aging" of the object itself.

Some things about aluminum

*History of aluminum and some facts*

3rd paragraph:
The existence of an object made from aluminum in a profound geological layer, and the layer of at least 1mm of oxide, baffled the metallurgic experts: there existed a manufactured aluminum object, apparently part of a landing gear, with centuries or millenia before the discovery of aluminum! Neither the other "ingredients" are less contradictory: cadmium was discovered in 1817, nickel in 1751, bismuth in 1753, cobalt in 1735.

Lost paths, refound path *TL note: "Lost paths, found" would be a more poetically accurate translation, but I guess you're not interested in such things right now*

The sensational discovery in Aiud was assumed by many authors, but none of them tried to find it at least. The answer to a letter sent to ing. Fl. Gheorghita in 1987 was disarming: "sadly, the location of the object from Aiud is unknown.". I thought that the same thing would happen as in the case of other bizarre objects discovered everywhere around the globe, which


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were lost forever ."Transylvanian object", the name used by many authors, continues to remain just a myth instead of something real and tangible. The idea of finding this item again was obsessing us with the apparition of the magazine RUFOR. We decided to "walk on the wire", in our attempt to find it. The first thing we did was to contact the Museum in Aiud. We mailed this institution, because of it not having a phone, in August 1994. Not even to this date have we received an answer! We started to think that our investigation reached a dead end. In our attempt to get out from this impasse, we decided to contact the History Museum of Transylvania in Cluj-Napoca. Our first contact with this prestigious institution was made at the end of January 95. Even if we expected a skeptic answer, if not ironic, we were told that THE OBJECT FROM AIUD EXISTS! and that it is found in the heritage of the Museum in Cluj. More than that, we were recommended to keep in touch with the person that was preoccupied with this finding, which was proved to be none else than the director of the Museum in Cluj! Having this informations at hand, more than promising, we telephonically contacted mr Lazarovici. Very amiable, he has confirmed that the item exists, and, if we want, we can go to Cluj to study and photograph it. Considering his busy schedule, we agreed on more telephonic discussions and that our "trip" to Cluj to be on Friday, February 17 1995.

THE OBJECT FROM AIUD

In the morning of Feb 17, accompanied by our colleague from Cluj, mr Adrian Patrut, we presented at the office of the director of the HM of Transylvania. Mr Gh Lazarovici was expecting us already. Even before we arrived, he readied the strange object for us. So, when we will have arrived, we only had to wait several minutes before the item was in our hands! The object has a more than interesting aspect: it is like a tripod or like a foot of a landing gear.The base of the "foot" wasn't plane, having 1/3 of the frontal side a deviation of 15 degrees. In the rear, there were two "arms" in the shape of a triangle placed at 45* from the plane of the object. At the rear end, there was a small orifice, and horizontally a bigger orifice (see pics). The entire object was covered in a layer of thick oxide, of a white-yellow-ish colour with a green tint, and on the upper part one could observe, visibly mechanically eroded, either by hitting, either by mechanical corrosion, such as friction with a tougher object (collision?).
In the following, we we'll present the size of this object:
-total length: 205mm
-width: 125mm
-height: 68mm
-length of the rear "arm": 35mm
-diameter of the "small" rear orifice: 18mm
-diameter of the "bigger" perpendicular on the ax orifice: 47mm
-depth of the "bigger" orifice: 35mm -weight (without the "carota" (tl? - my guess is sample) extracted for analysis: 2.3kg


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A new possible dating:

As we recalled, in the book of mr Fl Gheorghita was launched the idea that the bones found near the object in the same geological layer, would be mastodon bones.
Director Gh Lazarovici made some very important statements about this subject. According to his declarations, the bones found were from a specie of hairy rhino.
According to our data, the hairy rhino *tl note: no real specie name, sorry* lived in our geographic area during the Pleistocene era (10000-80000 years ago), in the Wurm era. This period was contemporary with the habitat of the Neanderthals. This interglacial period can be characterized with a pretty harsh climate, similar to the one of the taiga and tundra. (...). As a first conclusion we can affirm only this: the aluminum object was from a geological layer afferent to a period in which our human ancestors not only didn't knew aluminum, but it was situated in the first Paleolithic!

Swiss analysis

Mr Marian Pasla, retired engineer, was closely preoccupied with the "object from Aiud". He confirmed the hypothesis that a piece extracted from this object was examined by a laboratory in Lausanne (Switzerland).
Swiss experts confirmed the composition of the object, the same with the one from Magurele. As well, they stated that the alloy did not fit in none of the "standard" alloys we use today, or usable. The alloy was defined as "weak", not a duralumin and that it has "designer angles", which denotes the artificial characteristic of the object.
At the base of the layer of oxide and of the "aged" aluminum, prof. Stoicovici reached the conclusion that the object could have an age of at least 300-400 years. But, according to other specialist, cited by Fl. Gheorghita, the age of this object could even be of thousands of years. Even if the age of the object is the minimum one, in no way can this item be fitted in the "standard moments" of the discovery, processing and industrialization of aluminum.

A few preliminary conclusions

Taking into consideration the chemo-metallographic analysis, we can conclude that the item discovered in Aiud, in 1973, has an age that can be fit somewhere between 300 and 80000 years. In either case, this affirmation comes in contradiction with what it is know about the usage of aluminum in the technological history of humans.
The geological stratigraphy [1] shows that the object inclines to an older age, contemporary with the hairy rhino, fossils of which were found in the same petrified layers. In the defence of this last hypothesis comes and the considerable depth at which the object was found (~10m).
Another conclusion: the object is an artefact created after "engineering" methods. The two existent orifices, as well as the existence of the "rear arm" determines us to believe that this item was part of a landing gear of large dimensions, being a component of it.



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What could it be?

Of course, the temptation of expressing some other hypothesis is great.
Yet, we can not not remark the fact that the shape and characteristic of this object are strikingly similar with the landing gear of a drone or spacial robot.
As Fl Gheorghita assumes in his quoted work, the object could have collided with a furious being (the hairy rhino), and has partially deteriorated, losing a part of its landing gear, resulting in the death of the "curious fellow*tl note: forced translation. added fellow for meaning*"? Or: if the hypothetical item was completely destroyed, the rest of the parts could still be buried somewhere deep in the ground, near Aiud.
And if it is indeed a part of a flying object which overflew the tundra of the Pleistocene, then who has built it and where does it come from? A possible answer is hard to give. But a possible confirmation of this question is prone to cause shivers.

A unique object on the global scale

A lot was written about metallic objects (iron or steel), found in coal mines, million year old geological layers. But to this date, nothing but descriptions remain, the objects disappearing. It is also spoken of aluminum chest plates, discovered in the tombs of ancient Chinese emperors; but with the afferent literature, none of these were seen by a certified researcher. Doru Davidovici, in his book, "Galactic worlds", speaks of a goddess made of "oricalc", discovered in a coal mine, somewhere in Valea Jiului, but which disappeared in even more mysterious conditions.
From the panoply of evidence more than bizarre in this field (another terrestrial civilization?, another technology?, random visitors from the Cosmos?). THE ONLY ONE THAT EXISTS, THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS ANALYZED AND STUDIED BY EXPERTS IN THE FIELD, THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS "RE-FOUND" AND PHOTOGRAPHED is right here, at our side, at the Museum of History of Transylvania in Cluj-Napoca. It is not improbable that this artifact discovered at Aiud is another vision of ours about the human being, technology and the Universe...

With italics: Credits


That's all folks!



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 08:59 AM
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FLK1331 Thank you for your post.

I have also opened a new thread om the subject of the Aiud Object and also the 7500 YEARS OLD Clay Romanian Tablets here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please could you post this translation to that thread as well it would be really appreciated.

Thank you again and I encourage all to read that thread as well and give some input. I have more info on other discoveries made by the same person. I will post it here as well as on the new thread.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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Cave Limanu

Limanu cave is located in the southern part of Romania, the village area Limanu Limanu not far from the village.

Limanu cave as the underground maze that Dacians used it to hide the Roman proconsul Marcus Licinius Crassus.

Situated in the village Limanu, Constanta County, the cave was first studied by caving CM Ionescu, 1916. Later, a team led by Margareta Dumitrescu and Traian Orghidan, and investigated the cave, dividing it into three sectors.

Dr. Basil Boroneanţ found on careful research of the cave, elements that marked the unique nature of the caves in our country. Long and winding corridors made after a well thought out plan, which served to opaitele niches for lighting, signs marking the corridors, probably orientation points, two shrine rooms whose ceiling is smoked, which indicates that they served their purpose, embedded bone in the cave wall or ceramic objects from different periods, from the Geto-Dacian, Romanian, to the Greek, all traces of past civilizations, ancient history come to support Dio Cassus story.

Some galleries have walls and ceilings covered with drawings, symbols or the Roman and Cyrillic characters. History Vasile Boroneanţ identify these drawings that belong to several generations, starting from the first century BC up to the XI century AD, or ports of art evoking scenes from the Iron Age Thracian, Dacian or Thracian art Roman-Byzantine period.

Cave has long been open to casual or curious visitor, who succeeded to vandalize, its walls scrawled and covering a lot of designs and inscriptions preserved there for more than 2,000 years.

Historians who have studied the cave said that there are still many remains waiting to be explored, but the conditions are unsuitable for adequate research.

Most histories are concerned with the extent of the caves. It seems that some corridors go beyond the border of Romania, to the south.

Source:www.directbooking.ro...



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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great posts, reading up on this made me realize there's a lot to know here.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:54 PM
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Long time lurker. First time poster. I've been following this story since it appeared. Today while checking news on about.com I saw this and I wonder if it's not connected. I don't know how to post anything on here so I'll just provide the links to where I found it and where it appears to be originally from.

first link is from about and you look for the story about mysterious flying machine
paranormal.about.com...

second link takes you to the page where the story appears to come from
photos.tnonline.com...



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 04:55 PM
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This is an awesome topic. Ive been looking into the idea of an underground world for awhile now and think the evidence is piling up. Thanks for the good work all.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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Great Find this is very interesting I want to put it in quotes so everyone can read it :




Mysterious flying machine A story has surfaced in the past week that is one of the most unusual items I have yet to come across on the world of the web. It ties together a flying machine, time travel, the military, Afghanistan and Zoroaster with some missing soldiers. The gist of the story is that sometime in the past few weeks a military expedition into the vast cave network of Afghanistan has uncovered a flying machine trapped in what sources call a "Time Well". Eight soldiers have allegedly gone missing trying to extract the machine that looks like a fabled "Vimana" from ancient Indian literature from this pool of electromagnetic energy rumored to warp time and space within the confines of the cave...


Source :paranormal.about.com...

I always thought that the instability and war in the Iraq and Afgan Region is to cover up a otal different war. These caves and access point are of a great interest especially to USA maybe we do not understand why but they are after some artifacts or maybe gates to other dimensions. It may sound far fetched but in today's world anything is possible



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 07:55 PM
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The Pink Giants Argedava Best Secret in Romania (Region Popesti Novaci)



The most amazing discovery in Romania, the huge necropolis Argedava - Popeşti-Novaci is most concealed. It's pink shell (as a result of irradiation) of 80 giants, appreciated by locals as having a height of over 5 meters,they were dug in Nucet( the Gods necropolis), west of the city.

The necropolis was mentioned for the first time in 2003, Congress Dacologie III, by Professor of History and Philosophy, Bardan George Raine, and researcher George Serban.

A sample of these findings is only accessible to videotape recorded at the congress.

In Romania, giant skeletons were also found in Polovragi excavations in several stages, ending up in 1994, the public, two skeletons dug up in 2005, the hill beneath the monastery Black Prince.

Also the research. Of Panteleimon - Swan, in October 1989, were removed 20 skeletons of giants.


At Scaieni, giant necropolis was discovered by locals in 1985. Two skeletons have been removed, but the site has never been investigated. The same kind of skeletons found in caves in Colorado network ...

In a TV show, General Emil Strainu confirms these findings and the existence of giants in that area ...

Source:www.neacostache.com...

In regards to this pink giant skeletons I heard the news sometime ago I believe was on one of the American Channels then I called my mom in Romania she said yes was a story about them but nothing afterwards and that I found really strange.



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 03:49 AM
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Ok first of all I am from Romania. Second I read the books that he is getting the info from. Thrid, the author is a fictional writter and told everyone it's not real what he described in his book.

End of story, gang bang thank you mam



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 04:42 AM
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any chance of a link or a source for that?
2nd
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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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First of all I never seen the statement where the author is claiming is all fictional.

Second How would it be fictional when people speak of anomalies in that area? Did he convinced everyone?

Third I have facts from a friend who's father worked for Secret Service that his statements in the Book are not completely fictional. I trust this family and friend as they are telling the truth.

I am so sorry you come back with such a statement without fully backing it up.



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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by lisa2012
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First of all I never seen the statement where the author is claiming is all fictional.

Second How would it be fictional when people speak of anomalies in that area? Did he convinced everyone?

Third I have facts from a friend who's father worked for Secret Service that his statements in the Book are not completely fictional. I trust this family and friend as they are telling the truth.

I am so sorry you come back with such a statement without fully backing it up.


What adds credibility to the story, I do remember watching a show a few years ago speaking about antiquties in Egypt and there was an entrance to a tunnel that they couldn't enter because there was something blocking the entrance, some kind of force field as I remember and all these stories seem to tie together with pieces of evidence popping up.

edit on 3-3-2011 by lisa2012 because: to corect grammar



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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About Secret Caves in Egypt I was able to find this. You can follow also the 2 hour show there is a link under the comment.




Andrew Collins - Egypt's Underworld, Tomb of the Birds, Cave of the Snake & Secret Excavation Rumors July 4, 2010 We being the second hour for our members to discuss the entrance to the cave system at the North Cliff, the "Tomb of the Birds", Andrew met with Zahi Hawass to tell him about the caves, to give them this discovery. Hawass has denied the existence of the Caves in the media, but the Supreme council of Antiquities in Egypt have decided to closed of the entrance to the "Tomb of the Birds", so if nothing is there, what are they protecting and why are they preventing people from accessing the caves? Are they working on it themselves, what is to be found in Egypt's real underworld? We talk about the rumors that have been going around about "Secret Excavations" at the Giza Plateau, Atlantean object's that have been found and removed and all kinds of sensational rumors - things that of course explode on the web. Get the story from Andrews perspective who actually is down there himself and who has a lot of contacts that continuously are visiting these site. We talk about the underground galleries, the Catacombs, Thoth, Hermes, Snake Symbolism, the Dragon Myth and the story of El-Hanasch about the giant snake living in the cave system. Andrew shares the retelling of this story with us as well. Topics Discussed: Entrance at the North Cliff of the Giza caves, Tomb of the Birds, Hawass' Denial of the Caves, Entrance Closed Down Right Now, "Illegal Excavations" at the Giza Plateau, False Rumors and Lies about the "Secret Excavations", Atlantean Object's being removed, Caves, Underground Galleries, Ibis, Thoth, Catacombs, Snake Symbolism, Dragon Myth, El-Hanasch and more.


Source:www.redicecreations.com...



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by lisa2012
About Secret Caves in Egypt I was able to find this. You can follow also the 2 hour show there is a link under the comment.




Andrew Collins - Egypt's Underworld, Tomb of the Birds, Cave of the Snake & Secret Excavation Rumors July 4, 2010 We being the second hour for our members to discuss the entrance to the cave system at the North Cliff, the "Tomb of the Birds", Andrew met with Zahi Hawass to tell him about the caves, to give them this discovery. Hawass has denied the existence of the Caves in the media, but the Supreme council of Antiquities in Egypt have decided to closed of the entrance to the "Tomb of the Birds", so if nothing is there, what are they protecting and why are they preventing people from accessing the caves? Are they working on it themselves, what is to be found in Egypt's real underworld? We talk about the rumors that have been going around about "Secret Excavations" at the Giza Plateau, Atlantean object's that have been found and removed and all kinds of sensational rumors - things that of course explode on the web. Get the story from Andrews perspective who actually is down there himself and who has a lot of contacts that continuously are visiting these site. We talk about the underground galleries, the Catacombs, Thoth, Hermes, Snake Symbolism, the Dragon Myth and the story of El-Hanasch about the giant snake living in the cave system. Andrew shares the retelling of this story with us as well. Topics Discussed: Entrance at the North Cliff of the Giza caves, Tomb of the Birds, Hawass' Denial of the Caves, Entrance Closed Down Right Now, "Illegal Excavations" at the Giza Plateau, False Rumors and Lies about the "Secret Excavations", Atlantean Object's being removed, Caves, Underground Galleries, Ibis, Thoth, Catacombs, Snake Symbolism, Dragon Myth, El-Hanasch and more.


Source:www.redicecreations.com...


It's hard to decide if Mr Zawass' interest are scientific or simply monitary. With many of these discoveries there is always a power struggle behind the scenes. I wish just once mankind itself would become the recipient of such discoveries directly. I hope more people from the Romanian area will continue to come foward to help shed some light on this discovery.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 12:31 PM
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Lisa

It would be helpful if people who live around that area would be able to verify the existence of military personnel and a possible opening that they used to breach the mountain.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:36 AM
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Ok I found this blog is a very comprehensive translation and review of the book of Radu Cinamar with some photos I will add my own photos as well as I purchased the Book .For a great English review please read this Blog :

The Bucegi Mountains secrets
humansarefree.com...

Source :humansarefree.com...



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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Photos from my Book so I own this photos no source necessary:




















posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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After the photos from the book I took some photos of the Actual Last chapter of the book :
















































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edit on 16-3-2011 by lisa2012 because: edit to add photo



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 12:52 AM
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I just read the blog from your link, lisa2012. Sounds very interesting, undo might find it interesting too.
I have a question though, what exactly does "Babele" represent, a rock structure on the outside if I understand correctly?
Is it a word used in romanian or was it first used by Massini?






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