Enigmantic Discovery in 2003 in the Bucegi mountains Romania...Linked to underground world,hidden kn

reply to post by zorgon


Though slightly different that reminds me of McIntyre bluff, they're markers.

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OK- I see that you guys like the mysterious world unwrapping before our eyes.Now let me tell you about the mother of all mysteries subjects with a direct tie into the Bucegi mountains discovery.
And this is not speculation or hypothesis it is REAL.
The story begins in the the area which by today description is the Transylvanian Plateau,near the city Of Aiud.
During the excavations done in the local sand pit in 1973 (for construction purposes) the workers discovered 3 objects "wrapped " in the petrified compressed sand .The "Wrapped" look is normal because they were discovered at a depth of aprox 10 meters ( 33 feet) and excavated from the bank.For how long the objects were there nobody knows but one thing is for sure - for a river to create a 10 Meters (33 feet) thick sediment it takes a long time actually a very very long time.
A specialist was called on the site and he identified the objects as follows : two of the objects were fossils of animal origin and the third one appeared to be a stone axe which they assumed it helped the primitive man to kill the animal of which bones were found near.
For a better and more in depth evaluation these objects were sent to the researchers from the city of Cluj Napoca.
After carefully "unwrapping" the objects from the petrified sand cover the researchers from Cluj city discovered that the animal fossils belonged to a young mastodon ( mammals that look like today elephants but lived until about 800 000 to 1000 000 years ago) and the object was found to be not a stone axe - was not even stone it was METAL. So what you will say .Well the story just begins so hold on to your hats !!!
Ok let's move on.
A more detailed analysis of the object revealed more interesting and unbelievable facts.
The objects had 2 cylindrical holes of different sizes done in such way that the hole with the smaller diameter perpendicular penetrated the base of the other cylindrical hole.The larger hole base was oval as it was done by a shaft with a rounded head part with which it appeared to have been assembled.The object has surface marks that indicates strong and repeated strikes some of them very powerful. All the details suggest that the object was part of a larger functional assemble and that the object was lost in the river bank because of an undetermined reason.
Now the juicy part...
REPEATED metal analysis will provide more questions than answers and the questions were huge.
The analysis spreadsheet provided by ICPMMN (Magurele research institute) showed that the metal composition of the object was in fact a complex alloy made from 12 elements and the that 89% of the alloy was ALUMINUM.
The other components were found to be :Silicone 2.84% , Zinc 1.81%, Lead 0.41% ,Tin 0.33% ,Zirconium 0.2% ,Cadmium 0.0024%,Cobalt 0.0023% ,Bismuth - 0.0003%,Silver 0.0002% and Gallium traces.
SOOO the Object is basically made from ALUMINUM - and why is this so important you will ask?
Because the age of the object was established to be 250000 years old !!!

BECAUSE ALUMINUM WAS DISCOVERED IN 1825 BY OERSTED IN HIS LAB AND THE INDUSTRIAL USE OF ALUMINUM BEGAN IN 1883
BECAUSE CADMIUM WAS DISCOVERED IN 1817 - NICKEL IN 1751 - BISMUTH IN 1753 AND COBALT IN 1735

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So what exactly is so mysterious about this object which in our days it can be found in the National History Museum of Transylvania from Cluj Napoca city in Romania ?

Well let's go even further in analyzing this object.A very unusual feature of the object was that it was covered with an abnormal layer of aluminum oxide.It is known that this metal does not oxidize easy in depth ans usually it covers itself with a thin layer of protective oxide which does not allow in depth oxidation.This can be explain only by the extreme age of this object.One of the researchers actually commented that it seem crazy but we are looking at an aluminum with and aged structure where the ally parts are regaining their primordial structure.

None of the researchers ( archaeologists,engineers and university professors) could explain the use of the object or find a similar shape object with the exception of one specialist in aviation.He suggested that this piece could very well be part of a landing base from a light to medium aerial vehicle which could do vertical takeoff and landing.
So in other words did somebody flew in the Prehistoric times in that area and lost part of the landing gear on the river bank?
That leaves us to the conclusion that Earth was visited a long long time ago by "intelligent and superior" beings which came from other worlds like we are preparing to do in the near future.
So is very possible that they have in fact they created the secret chambers,tunnels and installed such recording devices in the Bucegi mountains.
As one reader of this thread earlier suggested if the government want to keep something secret it will.
Otherwise why the museum refused to send the object to be part of an Exhbition organised by Erik von Daniken the renowned researcher and expert author of the book "Chariots of Gods" (ridiculed by the today so called "scientist") a book which by the way I read and deals with subjects in the same area like the Nazca lines etc.

Now you see the connection...

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reply to post by Nairda


The first proto-Neanderthal traits appeared in Europe as early as 600,000–350,000 years ago. That means Neanderthals were in Europe far before Humans were in Europe Homo-sapiens were still in Africa at the time. From what i know is that Homo-sapiens didn't leave to Europe and rest of the world until 50-60,000 yrs ago.

Go search it on Wikipedia yourself. What this object your describing maybe the Neanderthals had an advanced civilization somewhat advanced in Europe long ago. Then they got wiped out Somehow or visited by aliens that helped them construct the Bucegi mountain complex chamber. This could actually have some validity to it. It seems very plausible considering how closely related Neanderthals are with Humans i do believe they could have become advanced like us especially if they had 100,000 of yrs to do it!

Somehow none of this information comes as a surprise. Either the human race suffers from a severe case of amnesia or someone is keeping a tight lid on where we really come from and why, It almost comes to a point where truth and myth seem to melt together as time goes on and hopefully someone will gather the courage to bring mankind up to date as to where we really come from and put our true history in front of the people.

reply to post by Nairda


That piece appears to be machined at very close tolerances, and the two holes on either side appear to be a place for some type of shaft, this is an amazing piece, hope it doesnt come up missing

reply to post by XRaDiiX


I wouldn't give much importance to PRESENT WRITTEN HISTORY!
It's an offence to the whole humanity ...
OUR LEADERS HIDE SOMETHING AMAZING FROM US and whant us to remain in a slave state + ignorance!
Why?!
i have no ideea ...

reply to post by Nairda


Wooow This is so new to me .....I assume to many people. Especially that I lived in Romania and never heard of this. This is an impressive find. I will do more research on it on Romanian websites. Thank you for an amazing piece of Information.

If I may ask. How did you come across this ?

Thank You for your input.

reply to post by Nairda


After some research there are few hypotheses for this object.One of them is expressed by an aeronautical engineer.

An aeronautical engineer who examined the object, compared the object with a point of support for a smaller version of a module for space exploration, such as a lunar module, or for the foot of a Viking probe. According to this hypothesis, the object as part of a spacecraft, may have got worse, after a forced landing.

So what is the real origin of the Aiud piece? Could it be that had extraterrestrial origin or there has been advanced civilizations before ours?

You can see in this magazine from 1995 Romanian Magazine authentic photos of the object as published back in those days :

In this photo you can see how this piece could have been the foot of a moon landing module or of a probe




Measurements of the object:




Length 205mm
Width 125mm
High 68mm
Weight 2.300 KG





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reply to post by XRaDiiX


I could not agree more with you.I am a true believer that the mankind as we know it today is a result genetic manipulation and actually there is some research done pointing to the fact that the genetic code was manipulated and I am pretty sure there is a thread about it here on ATS.
This is how many thinks will be explained among which the most important is the answer to the missing link in the Darwinist theory.
I don't know about you guys but I watched Battlestar Galactica the new version with great interest.Many of the things that happened during the cylon -human were making so much sense but the last episode blew me away.It basically presented the idea that Earth was visited.
And I strongly believe that during our lifetime many of the thinks kept under wraps will re enter the public knowledge domain as it should be.
Long Live the Internet.

reply to post by leaualorin


Lisa, we need more people like you to come foward from the Romanian region. You are both the eyes and ears on this subject, and you can decipher the language for us. Keep up the good work.

I'll translate the photos. Going to edit this post when done.

First page:

...has lost forever the "Transylvanian object", the name used by many authors, continues to remain just a myth instead of something real and tangible.
The idea of finding this item again was obsessing us with the apparition of the magazine RUFOR. We decided to "walk on the wire", in our attempt to find it.
The first thing we did was to contact the Museum in Aiud. We mailed this institution, because of it not having a phone, in August 1994. Not even to this date have we received an answer! We started to think that our investigation reached a dead end. In our attempt to get out from this impasse, we decided to contact the History Museum of Transylvania in Cluj-Napoca.
Our first contact with this prestigious institution was made at the end of January 95. Even if we expected a skeptic answer, if not ironic, we were told that THE OBJECT FROM AIUD EXISTS! and that it is found in the heritage of the Museum in Cluj. More than that, we were recommended to keep in touch with the person that was preoccupied with this finding, which was proved to be none else than the director of the Museum in Cluj! Having this informations at hand, more than promising, we telephonically contacted mr Lazarovici. Very amiable, he has confirmed that the item exists, and, if we want, we can go to Cluj to study and photograph it. Considering his busy schedule, we agreed on more telephonic discussions and that our "trip" to Cluj to be on Friday, February 17 1995.

THE OBJECT FROM AIUD

In the morning of Feb 17, accompanied by our colleague from Cluj, mr Adrian Patrut, we presented at the office of the director of the HM of Transylvania. Mr Gh Lazarovici was expecting us already. Even before we arrived, he readied the strange object for us. So, when we will have arrived, we only had to wait several minutes before the item was in our hands!
The object has a more than interesting aspect: it is like a tripod or like a foot of a landing gear.The base of the "foot" wasn't plane, having 1/3 of the frontal side a deviation of 15 degrees. In the rear, there were two "arms" in the shape of a triangle placed at 45* from the plane of the object. At the rear end, there was a small orifice, and horizontally a bigger orifice (see pics).
The entire object was covered in a layer of thick oxide, of a white-yellow-ish colour with a green tint, and on the upper part one could observe, visibly mechanically eroded, either by hitting, either by mechanical corossion, such as friction with a tougher object (collision?).
In the following, we we'll present the size of this object:
-total length: 205mm
-width: 125mm
-height: 68mm
-length of the rear "arm": 35mm
-diameter of the "small" rear orifice: 18mm
-diameter of the "bigger" perpendicular on the ax orifice: 47mm
-depth of the "bigger" orifice: 35mm
-weight (without the "carota" (tl? - my guess is sample) extracted for analysis: 2.3kg

reply to post by Unity_99


The 'Guardians" are found all over the world. Where ever I find them, you can be sure that the area also has many mysteries. In ancient times natives believed these manifestations in Nature were nature spirits... today the skeptics say "Paredolia" and call those who see more idiots, lunatics and morons. Go talk to any native elder today... perhaps we are not as crazy as the skeptics want us to believe.

I have a vast collection of these spirits, don't want to add them here because it would take to much time and change the focus. But I find it highly likely that these are shaped by the same forces that create the other anomalies in those regions.

I will add two just because...

"Face Rock"
Uyak Inlet, Kodiak Island, Alaska



The Caves of Arkansas
Onyx Cave
Eureka Springs, AR



Paredolia as the skeptics claim? I think not... and frankly could care less what the blind skeptics think

reply to post by Nairda


Excellent find. Thanks for bringing this great information forward.

Upon showing the image to my husband who built airplanes for Boeing for 15 years (I told him nothing about what it was except that it was aluminum) he immediately without hesitation said "it looks like part of landing gear from an aircraft".

Originally posted by lme7898354
Somehow none of this information comes as a surprise. Either the human race suffers from a severe case of amnesia or someone is keeping a tight lid on where we really come from and why, It almost comes to a point where truth and myth seem to melt together as time goes on and hopefully someone will gather the courage to bring mankind up to date as to where we really come from and put our true history in front of the people.

I think both... 'amnesia' in the sence that if a past civilization did exist (and my evidence and research shows we are the fifth civilization on Earth), there is plenty of time in geological history for a civilization to have appeared and disappeared. I don't much trust our current dating methods. Archaeologists are always contradicting themselves on actual ages and are the first to admit the techniques are not accurate.

If such civilizations were wiped out and buried, I would expect find like this to be all we DO find. The sad thing is that main stream archaeology in modern times would just as soon make something like that disappear. In fact the Baghdad batteries have been stolen during the current unrest over there.

There was anothe cube of steel found in a coal mine in Austria... it was on display in a museum in the late 1800's. In 1950 - 1958 it was in the Oberosterreichisches Landesmuseum in Linz. Today all that exists is a casting made of it. Yet the casting does not fit the original descriptions of the find. So now it falls into the realm of OOPARTS and skeptics call it BS. And since the original is now long gone, we have no proof yet again.

In the 1980's arhaeologists were sincere and wanted answers. Today all they care about is there tenure and the opinion of their peers. Any true find will soon vanish... and no one but 'credible' archaeologists re allowed to dig.

On the Sinaia Plates Wikipedia has this disclaimer...

This article may contain original research. Please improve it by verifying the claims made and adding references. Statements consisting only of original research may be removed. More details may be available on the talk page. (January 2011)

Original research; This page in a nutshell: Wikipedia does not publish original thought: all material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source. Articles may not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position not clearly advanced by the sources.

So even Wikipedia won't publish original ideas and there are many case histories where major editing was done in encyclopedias, (some even went to court), by those whose intent it was to hide some part of history


Your point regarding Erich von Danekin... seems he is being taken a little more seriously today

History Channel Ancient Aliens part 1/9 I recommend you watch this documentary. There is a thread on it here for discussion
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About this Aluminum artifact..



To me it looks like it was a discard because it was flawed. It looks exactly like a casting, hence the amount of aluminum oxide. It looks like it was a crude casting... maybe by someone marooned from another planet or the future Aluminum does NOT exist in natural metallic form in nature.. it must be smelted at very high temperature from it's ores

Although aluminum is the most abundant metal in the earth's crust, it is never found free in nature. All of the earth's aluminum has combined with other elements to form compounds. Two of the most common compounds are alum, such as potassium aluminum sulfate (KAl(SO4)2·12H2O), and aluminum oxide (Al2O3). About 8.2% of the earth's crust is composed of aluminum.
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So the very existence of anything made of aluminum is significant. I have done casting myself and am familiar with metallurgy. (A side note is aluminum oxided heated will also produce corundum (ruby, sapphire) and is how we make synthetic crystals for lasers today)

Looking at this piece there is only a hole on one 'arm' so either it was never completed, or they saw a flaw and cast it away (this happens a lot today when a crack or flaw develops in the casting) The one finished hole is still shiny. Possibly due to being covered so oxygen couldn't get at it (or the finders did some cleaning like divers remove crusts from object found under the sea)

In any case... this is one of the best artifact I have seen so far. Would be nice to get official data on the dating of the strata it was found in

More here
Extraterestrii au pierdut ceva la Aiud
Ulpia Jurnal - 10 decembrie 2004
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Your 'first page' is actually page two. At least we have the images and magazine pages. Page one shows a professor holding it... gives us better size reference. So at least we know this one does exist

The tablets from Vadu Rau Romania (120 pieces)

Predating Sumerian Cuneiform tablets. Now this is something worth investigating.




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These incredible adventure with the inscribed "stones" in the '80s began when Professor Dumitru Ionita, during a recognition of land held in the city section called Vadu ,Farcasa Rau, has discovered a number of Neolithic objects, such as : weights for fishing nets or loom, polished stone axes,the tablets with inscription etc..

Among these objects, few have attracted particular attention. It's clay tablets, some rectangular, oval or round, signs incised: diamond fringe, intersecting lines, which constitute a support for other smaller lines arranged in a row, etc. various hollow points.

Over the years, erosion has continued on the right bank of Bistrita River, the opportunity that came brought to light dozens of such tablets, their number reaching 120, all carriers of different inscriptions.

The weight of the tablets is between 100 and 500 g.

Some of this tablets are almost identical with the ones from Tartaria discussed earlier in this topic.

Prof. Dr. Vasile Boroneanţ well known archaeologist, who, for many years, looked at the archaeological site and the Cladova Chitila where breakthroughs were made. In regards to this particular tablets he stated that similar inscriptions have been discovered Chitila and elsewhere and that They are similar to those of Mesopotamia.

British archaeologist Colin Renfrew, who performed all the digging in Bulgaria, Sitagroi, supports this hypothesis. Then, the famous Italian archaeologist Professor Marco Merlin, director of the Prehistory Knowledge Project, a member of the World Rock Art Academy Italy, who was keen to rhe "miracle"from Tartaria ,searched and found bones found by Vlassa together with the three tablets .

After they have been analyzed and dated to the Department of Geology, University of Rome, Professor Merlin concluded: dating is very old, around 7,300 years! And the bones belonged to a woman aged 50-55 years, which he assigns a religious role, because the bones were found among the 23 sacred objects, including a tissue anchor, some bracelets and some statues of idols.

Located in 2004 in our country, the famous Italian archaeologist would declare a colleague: "The bones are very old as tablets. Now it is a certainty. Now is our turn to find that writing began in Europe two thousand years before Summer. In Romania, we have a huge treasure, but it does not belong only to Romania, but all of Europe. "
I will try to find more photos of this tablets but I think this is pretty much Mind Blowing !!!!!!!

Uruk Tablet Summer from 3000BC



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Tartaria Tablets Romania 5500BC:




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Vadu Rau Romania Tablets 7000BC:

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Now can anyone see any resemblance???? Waiting for responses on this one.

reply to post by Nairda


I'm not saying we were certainly genetically manipulated i just have an open-mind to the possibility of the Idea. It Certainly possibly.

I strongly believe the Earth could have been visited in the past maybe not when we were here since we've been here for such a short time but in the distant past. The new results from the Kepler telescope show our universe really is most likely abundant with habitable planets and most likely life so this is all very intriguing and we will probably learn alot more about history and our distant past of the human race and the civilizations that were wiped out when the flooding of the ancient areas that are now under the ocean/lakes when the ice-age (glaciers) quickly began to melt around 15,000-10,000 yrs ago

reply to post by zorgon


99% of what you read about ROMANIA IS TRUE!
I'm really curios what the heck has happend arround my country in the past...
It gets even more strange day-by-day...
"Thank GOD" for our "leaders" ...
They are "just" interested in MONEY MONEY , AND THEN A BIT MORE MONEY for themselves obviously ...
It's ridicoulous when you think of what could be found with the proper investments in archeology and specialized personel!
Guess they don't whant something like this!
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Originally posted by leaualorin

99% of what you read about ROMANIA IS TRUE!

Hmmm what is the 1% that is false? Sounds like a nice place to visit. I like Castles. Maybe snoop around the shoppes for some Medieval goodies. Air fare still cheap to Romania so might just be a trip