Mubarak Steps Down as President, Army Takes Over

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Maybe so, but I'll stand by the fact that if America hasn't been stirring things up over there for the last century. They'd be alot more friendly to us no matter what the religion. You can't overthrow governments and install dictators and expect the people to like you. Maybe some country will wind up doing it to America one day and American's will see how it feels?

Originally posted by mayabong

Maybe some country will wind up doing it to America one day and American's will see how it feels?

Some people will say that Israel already has done that.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
So I was wondering about Tunisia

Hundreds of Tunisians Fleeing Unrest Arrive on Italian Island of Lampedusa
www.bloomberg.com...

Ahmadinejad says Egypt, Tunisia were inspired by Iran's anti-Western protests

Friday, February 11, 2011; 3:54 PM

The crisis that has been roiling Egypt, a key U.S. ally in the region, dominated Friday's celebration. Ahmadinejad said that the 12th imam Mahdi, a revered 9th-century Shiite saint, had directed the uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia.

"This is a global revolution, managed by the imam of the ages," Ahmadinejad told the large crowds gathered in and around Tehran's central Azadi Square.
www.washingtonpost.com...
He predicted the formation of a world government, ruled by the 12th imam. "Hearts and beliefs are swiftly leaning toward forming a global governance and the necessity of the rule of the 'perfect human,' linked to the heavens," he said.

I still have to wonder why Obama stayed out of the Iranian situation, but was so adamant about Egypt.

an update on Tunisia

AFM on 'high alert' as 4,000 migrants land on Lampedusa in 24 hours



The Armed Forces of Malta have stepped up their sea patrols South of the island as numerous boats laden with migrants from Tunisia are crossing over to reach Europe.


So far, almost 4,000 Tunisians have landed on the Italian island of Lampedusa, leading the Italian government to convene Cabinet this morning and declare a state of emergency on the island.

A number of migrants have been reported missing after their boat capsized. A search and rescue operation is currently underway.
www.maltatoday.com.mt...
The latest political uprising in Tunisia has led to hundreds of migrants to attempt the crossing, prompting authorities in Malta and Italy to tighten external and internal security given that many migrants are prison escapees during the uprising that ousted President Ben Ali.

Originally posted by janon

Originally posted by mayabong

Maybe some country will wind up doing it to America one day and American's will see how it feels?

Some people will say that Israel already has done that.

You're 100% correct. I'm pissed about that. I think when Kennedy was shot and Mr. Johnson took over that was essentially the full takeover.

lyndonjohnsonandisrael.blogspot.com...

The Egyptian people are highly aware where their money comes from, mainly tourism and fees from the Suez. I do not think that whoever attains the power will be quick to get rid of either. By further destroying the economy there would be another overthrow, and most likely bloody all the way around.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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warsclerotic.wordpress.com...

Is this a good source, I don't know.

I read the article. I don't think it is a reliable source. It's a blog that reports, among other things, detail about the Saudi king's displeasure with Obama. I just don't think the writer has that information. Everything in it seems exaggerated. A little too broadly drawn, though sounding realistic and even likely.

Interestlingly, I was watching a Russia Today item featuring Webster Tarpley on YouTube, where he says that the US has been planning to topple Mubarak for the last couple of years and that it would like to destabilize Egypt along with Pakistan and Iraq (of course) because it has decided to pursue aims against Russia and China rather than aims against Iran specifically.

We'll have to see how Egypt moves forward. In a wonderful pantomine of the French Revolution, the Egyptian people have swept aside the leader of the "Army Party". The "Army Party" still remains in power though and is said to enjoy the affection and love of the Egyptian people who differentiate sharply between the "Army Party", whom they love and it's leader, whom they despise.

Democracy is so easy to achieve when you are Egyptian. England struggled for centuries to get it. France murdered or deposed an entire generation of gentry. America warred for years in the boondocks to found their republic. Russians fought for generations against despotism and endured all kinds of suffering to create social progress. Castro slogged through the jungle before battling his way to the capital (and instituting wide ranging social reforms and improvements to social services in a struggle for democracy that is still going on in Cuba).

But in Egypt it's all over in days! Truly incredible. It's a little like when little Johnny tackles his dad on the football field and brings him down!!! Amazing that little Johnny has so much skill in football at such a young age, and his Dad is so much bigger than him. Well done little Johnny! Bravo!!

Originally posted by searching4truth
The Egyptian people are highly aware where their money comes from, mainly tourism and fees from the Suez. I do not think that whoever attains the power will be quick to get rid of either. By further destroying the economy there would be another overthrow, and most likely bloody all the way around.

I've actually seen a few tweets about Oil and Gas people in the Suez going on strike, protesting the selling of Oil and Gas to Israel. Haven't seen any reports of it, just a bunch of tweets.

If this happens and they get their way, I think my prediction thread about Israel invading egypt would be the first prediction thread to come true.

Who knows.

Originally posted by mayabong

Originally posted by searching4truth
The Egyptian people are highly aware where their money comes from, mainly tourism and fees from the Suez. I do not think that whoever attains the power will be quick to get rid of either. By further destroying the economy there would be another overthrow, and most likely bloody all the way around.

I've actually seen a few tweets about Oil and Gas people in the Suez going on strike, protesting the selling of Oil and Gas to Israel. Haven't seen any reports of it, just a bunch of tweets.

If this happens and they get their way, I think my prediction thread about Israel invading egypt would be the first prediction thread to come true.

Who knows.

I have no doubt that in the event that workers strike or whatever, the military will take control of the canal to ensure the passage of goods. In the event that fails, you will see US troops, another war, and another puppet.

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I think the Gas thing is a little different. More like a direct pipe that goes into Israel. Nothing to do with the Suez canal.

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yeah from what ive managed to find from wikipedia(so take that with a grain of salt) at least two of them were in the usa when it started in egypt and the main guy in charge the feild marshal he was the first one to go into tahirire(sp) square and talk with protestors and the army in person(he went down there)

they have a field marshal of the army and a lt general of the army,the commander of the navy and the commander of the air force and air defense so it seems they will have a pretty firm grip on the military as there all veterans of the various middle eastern wars over the last few decades,one was in gulf war one another an attache to Pakistan so it seems most of them have been around as well hopefully they aren't just gonna be more of the same and elections can go on freely and un-tampered with

en.wikipedia.org... source for info on whos leading and other information came from sources on the wikipedia page

www.cbc.ca... article talking about the supreme commander guy being refereed to as Mubarak poodle in the past/recently

and a random link i found saying they intend to honor there treatys its not very long but its at the link

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ahh yes, I misunderstood.

Changed your pic huh, I liked the old one.

Originally posted by ipsedixit

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by ipsedixit

 

warsclerotic.wordpress.com...

Is this a good source, I don't know.

I read the article. I don't think it is a reliable source. It's a blog that reports, among other things, detail about the Saudi king's displeasure with Obama. I just don't think the writer has that information. Everything in it seems exaggerated. A little too broadly drawn, though sounding realistic and even likely.

Interestlingly, I was watching a Russia Today item featuring Webster Tarpley on YouTube, where he says that the US has been planning to topple Mubarak for the last couple of years and that it would like to destabilize Egypt along with Pakistan and Iraq (of course) because it has decided to pursue aims against Russia and China rather than aims against Iran specifically.

We'll have to see how Egypt moves forward. In a wonderful pantomine of the French Revolution, the Egyptian people have swept aside the leader of the "Army Party". The "Army Party" still remains in power though and is said to enjoy the affection and love of the Egyptian people who differentiate sharply between the "Army Party", whom they love and it's leader, whom they despise.

Democracy is so easy to achieve when you are Egyptian. England struggled for centuries to get it. France murdered or deposed an entire generation of gentry. America warred for years in the boondocks to found their republic. Russians fought for generations against despotism and endured all kinds of suffering to create social progress. Castro slogged through the jungle before battling his way to the capital (and instituting wide ranging social reforms and improvements to social services in a struggle for democracy that is still going on in Cuba).

But in Egypt it's all over in days! Truly incredible. It's a little like when little Johnny tackles his dad on the football field and brings him down!!! Amazing that little Johnny has so much skill in football at such a young age, and his Dad is so much bigger than him. Well done little Johnny! Bravo!!

edit on 12-2-2011 by ipsedixit because: (no reason given)

Your view and (possibly) definition of "democracy" is flawed.
1. England is not a democracy. Its more of a constitutional monarchy. Officials are voted in.
2. France is socialist
3. Russia is very much an oligarchy with VERY communistic roots still.

and 4.

My favorite.

Castro slogged through the jungle before battling his way to the capital (and instituting wide ranging social reforms and improvements to social services in a struggle for democracy that is still going on in Cuba).

You likely thing that Che Guevara was wonderful also. Castro has a country that is permanantly frozen in the fifties in most ways. The people live in conditions that make them build boats out of 51 chevies trying to get to Florida for gods sake!

What social reforms? What improvements?

Have you (and others) not realized that anywhere you see "Democratic State/Republic/Union of Crapitania", they are invariably NOT in the best interests of a free people? Show me one.

I'll give you a few.

German Democratic Republic
Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea
Democratic Republic of Congo
I wont go into the Russian "SSR's".

This is a good page written on this exact subject.
www.slate.com...

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (i.e., North Korea) accused the United States Wednesday of intruding on its airspace with surveillance planes—the latest tension between the two countries. Though nominally Socialist, the DPRK is a totalitarian regime, rather like other states that include the words Democratic or People's Republic as part of their official names. Like the People's Republic of China, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the Lao People's Democratic Republic, and don't forget former East Germany—the German Democratic Republic. Why is it that the least democratic countries always brandish democratic-sounding names?

There are some incredibly naive and over hopeful youngsters on this site. There are also some very foolish oldsters that should know better about this stuff here also.

One can be excused for youth and lack of experience. The other cant BECAUSE of experience.

Egypt's military dissolves parliament, suspends constitution

www.cnn.com...

Cairo, Egypt (CNN) -- Egypt's military dissolved parliament and will run the country for six months or until elections are held, it said in a statement Sunday, two days after President Hosni Mubarak resigned.

It is suspending the constitution and will appoint a committee to propose changes to it, the statement said, adding that the public will then get to vote on the amended constitution.

The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces can issue new laws during the transition period, according to the statement on state television.

The government is now reporting to the military high command in the same way it reported to Mubarak before he stepped down, the prime minister confirmed shortly before the military statement was read.


The restoration of security and normal life is the government's priority, Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq said, as troops began trying to clear protesters from Tahrir Sqaure, the spiritual heart of the 18-day uprising that toppled Mubarak after 30 years.

"Egypt is returning to the 1952 model of ruling the state via a council of army officers," the Stratfor statement said. "The question now is to what extent the military elite will share power with its civilian counterparts."

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why I thought you think Nukes are a sham. Pure propaganda you said. I see where the Sham is now.

Originally posted by felonius
There are some incredibly naive and over hopeful youngsters on this site. There are also some very foolish oldsters that should know better about this stuff here also.

One can be excused for youth and lack of experience. The other cant BECAUSE of experience.

Most of your post is really an academic excursion, so I am not going to bother addressing it.

My point is that the Egyptian people are very naive if they believe that they have won a great victory for democracy in Egypt. Surely you don't believe that Egypt has achieved democracy?

Surely you don't believe that the definition of democracy is, forcing a military dictatorship to change its point man, using mobs and fire bombs in the street?

I'm very suspicious of this whole process. I will be delighted if Egypt achieves a "democracy" of even the lamest definition, if that democracy solves real problems of national government and keeps the kleptocrats trimmed downed to proportions that will allow for a steady increase of the standard of living in the country.

If Egyptians actually achieved some degree of political freedom and showed that they had the maturity as a society to stay out of the clutches of extremist ideologues of all stripes, that would be wonderful.

One should keep in mind that, in Egypt, as in other middle eastern countries, what the dictators were suppressing was not so much a citizenry, fully mature, moderate and able to govern, as a largely uneducated population subject to the whims of whoever could take control and manipulate them to whatever ends.

I'm convinced that what we are going to get in Egypt is another Pakistan. A chaotic "democracy" kept in order by the same Army that gave the Egyptian people Sadat and Mubarak. The Army that, amazingly, the people love and revere, the way that an innocent child loves and reveres the parent that molests him.

Believe me, I will be delighted to be wrong on this. I fervently hope to be wrong. I wouldn't bet on it though.