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Ron Paul Supporters Walk Out of Rumsfeld Tribute

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posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 08:03 PM
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I saw an interview with him on Hannity.

It was a joke.

Beyond a joke. He even gave the explanation that "Bush wasn't saying they had victory, there was just a sign. That we don't know who put that up"




posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
So why do Ron Paulers continue to attend CPAC? A political coalition that had backed individuals like Rumsfeld time and time again?


Because legislation makes it next to impossible for a third party to compete


What legislation again? There is nothing stopping a third party from being formed let alone to gain votes. It is not a good excuse for people to continue to support individuals who push for such policies as the patriot act and the Iraq war merely because the party is popular or major. I figured you'd know better.

If this is your reason for continuing to support individuals and organizations then you have absolutely little to no excuse in complaining about Rumsfeld.


What do you expect them to do?

Go sulk in a corner?


I expect them to make a stand, don't you? Rand Paul is doing exactly that, he is making a stand against the patriot act despite the overwhelming support from his Republican counterparts, so what is the problem with Ron Paulers making a stand? A real stand?

Revolution very seldom occurs when the odds are with you. If I oppose the patriot act and the Bush tax cuts, why would I vote for the party that supported both those things? While the Democratic party did many things I agreed with, they still stepped on some of my fundamental beliefs so they will not have my support in 2012, not until there are real changes. Why would I vote for them against my own interests? Why should I vote for them because of convenience? Because they are the lesser evil in my eyes? How are you different with supporting CPAC and the Republican party as a whole?
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posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 10:30 PM
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The difference between the far-right (the real right, not the Christian right) and the far Left being against the war:

The far right doesn't actually care that anyone died or that we invaded another country.. we care about how much money it cost and how long it's taken. And quite frankly, we are tired of wiping the worlds ass.

Personally imo, since Afghanistan was supposedly the ones who attacked us, we should have carpet bombed them, and moved on our merry way. This whole occupying like we give a damn is BS by oil companies and the two parties that have a vested interest in prolonging the war(s).



posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Due to the number of DEMOCRATS that voted to extend the PA, it was the 22 tea-party Republicans that actually blocked the legislation.


Open your eyes, and you'll see the party leaders are of the same fascist breed.



posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 


Due to the number of DEMOCRATS that voted to extend the PA, it was the 22 tea-party Republicans that actually blocked the legislation.


Are you trying to be deceptive or something? 122 Democrats voted against the bill along with 26 republicans. You are being very misleading by claiming that only 22 republicans moved to block the bill.

There were politicians from both sides who supported and voted against the patriot act extensions so why did you leave this fact out?


Open your eyes, and you'll see the party leaders are of the same fascist breed.


Yep, which was my very point towards the OP. Maybe you read my responses and the replies from the OP. Apparently he and other ron paul supporters have no choice but to vote republican.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 01:09 AM
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There were politicians from both sides who supported and voted against the patriot act extensions so why did you leave this fact out?


Do you mind explaining exactly how I left anything out? You just repeated exactly what I said.

The PA was nearly extended with Democrat help: Fact.

It failed by 7 votes: Fact

26 Republicans voted against it: Fact

8 were Freshman Republicans: Fact

22 Were associated with the "Tea Party Caucus": Fact

71 Democrats voted in FAVOR of the extensions: Fact

So ...... unless I'm missing something that you're trying to say...

You see that the leaders of both parties attempted to get a vote to extend the provisions.

Democrats only voted against it because it's a Republican created measure.. given their past voting habits regarding the PA, they don't differ at all from Republicans. It's like Neocon Republicans complaining about the Health Care law that was passed last year.. they say they are against it, but we all know it's exactly what they wanted, a fascist doc chock full of provisions merging Corporate power with Government mandates.



Apparently he and other ron paul supporters have no choice but to vote republican.


Why would a Ron Paul supporter vote for anything other than Libertarian, Congressional or Republican? Those are our main options. Democrats, Green or Socialist would be polar opposites. And since 3rd parties are damn near impossible to get elected it's best to use Ron Paul's own method: Infiltrate". Just like Neocons infiltrated the Republican party in the 1980's, and the Progressives hijacking the Democrat party in the 1990's. infiltration is clearly the best way to change the major party options at this time. Personally, I believe all politicians are inherently corrupt, even Paul, but I prefer anything over this Fascist monstrosity that has risen up since the mid 80's and accelerating in just the past few years.
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posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 




There were politicians from both sides who supported and voted against the patriot act extensions so why did you leave this fact out?


Do you mind explaining exactly how I left anything out? You just repeated exactly what I said.

The PA was nearly extended with Democrat help: Fact.


Many Democrats wanted to extend it to 2013.
Many Republicans wanted to make it permanent.

Why you continue to leave the Republicans out is beyond me. You talk about how bad the two party system is but you spend your time complaining about Democrats. Maybe you should be consistent about what you preach.


It failed by 7 votes: Fact


It does not change the fact that 122 Democrats voted against it along wit 26 Republicans. Their stand against the patriot act matters regardless of whether it failed by 7 votes. You are arguing that for some reason the 122 votes from democrats against the bill is irrelevant, only those of the 26 republicans, and how so again? Because they are Democrats? You are not making any sense here.


71 Democrats voted in FAVOR of the extensions: Fact


As did more than 200 Republicans. Many of them also pushed to make it permanent. Why do you continiously leave out the Republicans?


You see that the leaders of both parties attempted to get a vote to extend the provisions.


But you spend all your time telling us about how many Democrats are voting for it. If you believe both parties are responsible then act like it.


Democrats only voted against it because it's a Republican created measure..


That may be true, and maybe many of those 26 Republicans voted against the patriot act because it's unpopular now? Unlike many of them did in 2001? Maybe this maybe that, maybe Rand Paul would have held a different tone had he voted in 2001. We can sit here and make all sorts of claims.

You are trying so hard to make this a Democrat issue alone while hypocritically preaching to me and rest here that it's both parties. It is astounding you know? Maybe you have a problem practicing what you preach?


Why would a Ron Paul supporter vote for anything other than Libertarian, Congressional or Republican? Those are our main options. Democrats, Green or Socialist would be polar opposites.


And then you have the libertarian party, the very conservative "constitution party" and the list goes on. So what's stopping ya'll from voting for them? Again it is a matter of you not practicing what you preach. You want to tell the rest of us here how bad both parties are meanwhile you spend you time blaming the Democrats and insisting that you have no choice but to vote Republican. Do you even read what you post here?


Just like Neocons infiltrated the Republican party in the 1980's,


Oh yes, but cutting record taxes and passing it onto the wealthy. Yep those were progressives. Maybe you can explain the Reaganites why they should not be praising progressives then.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 02:08 AM
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You are correct, the pic is only of the Obama administration, but if you look at the text, it states: "our new imperial warlords are so much better than the last group". It may not be clear, but this is a sarcastic remark.

"Imperial warlords" obviously being a negative reference. This refers to the current war mongers under Obama and implies that Bush and Co were also war mongers: "the last group".

It also makes reference to the fact that Obama had kept Bush's appointees: Gates and Petraeus (realizing he is a General).



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 02:12 AM
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Thank bro. I laugh every time I watch it. AJ was on fire with this one.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 02:46 AM
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Just google Ron Paul.
That's all I can say to you. And look up the Commission on Presidential Debates.
www.Dailypaul.com...
www.opendebates.org...

Ron Paul 2012!



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 02:46 AM
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posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 02:57 AM
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Rumsfelds 'leaner & meaner' war strategy just didn't work out. I wouldn't call him a war criminal, but I'd grant him a dunce reward and a quick exit in the back of the building. Pathetic.

I don't know how this man got his job.

Fact that Cheney would would want to be associated with him makes me think he's getting senile.
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posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 03:05 AM
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Originally posted by stephinrazin
Wow. That was great. You know when the crowd starts USA USA that means some of the crowd are saying something deemed unfit for public consumption. Did you see that look between Cheney, and the fellow behind him. You could see the fear and discomfort in the other man's eyes. It would have been unthinkable a few years ago for a heckler to call Cheney a war criminal at CPAC!!
Worried? Haha. Is that what you imagine.

Btw, that USA USA USA is something more people need to chant.

The war hasn't happened perfectly but what does? Cheney has made mistakes, but who hasn't?

I think Rumsfeld didn't have what it takes, but beyond that, this thread is full of hatred.
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posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by jonnywhite

Originally posted by stephinrazin

Btw, that USA USA USA is something more people need to chant.



Really? I think it makes americans look a bit stupid when they all start chanting that at war criminals

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posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by gladtobehere
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Nope, it applies to all of them. Its called the 2 party, 1 party system.




It's both parties, but according to that picture I only see the Obama administration. What message are you sending here? And yes, I do believe both parties are behind the wars and behind such policies as the patriot act, but it seems voters are more than happy to continue to play to either.

Me personally? I'm done with the Democratic party as a whole. I believe there are some Democrats and even some Republicans making a stand, but the two parties as a collective do not seem represent what this country needs. Maybe I assumed things would change and representitives would come to their senses, would make a stand and admit they were wrong, but nothing appears to be changing. We desperately need a movement of alternative parties...


The picture clearly states that all of our administrations are imperial warlords.



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