It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.


Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.


Brewer to Countersue Federal Government Over Immigration Enforcement

page: 2
<< 1    3 >>

log in


posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 11:10 PM
When the feds won't do their job, the States must come forward and do all that they can. People who are not affected by illegal's will have no sympathy or common sense about the overwhelming problems that Arizona is facing. You hear so many people from there speaking about the fear they must live with on a daily basis. Their children can't even play in their own yards in some areas because it is no longer safe to do so. Thousands of people have died all across the U.S.A. because our immigration laws are not enforced. Illegals have numerous arrests and deporatations and just keep coming back again. It's a joke! When did it come about that we could pick and choose which laws to follow?

posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 11:15 PM
One child was beheaded and the two others were nearly decapitated by two illegal aliens.

An illegal alien caused 18 year old Trisha Taylor to lose both her legs above the knees.

Sean and his 5 month old daughter Sage were killed by a drunk illegal alien.

A pregnant woman was murdered by two illegal aliens while crossing the st.

A young single mom was brutally raped and murdered by an illegal.

One man was stabed to death by an illegal while protecting his 15 year old daughter.

Thousands of Americans have been murdered simply because our laws were not enforced.

edit on 10-2-2011 by Night Star because: (no reason given)

edit on 10-2-2011 by Night Star because: (no reason given)

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 12:05 AM
reply to post by Night Star

Night Star, Thank You,,, The Loved Ones We've Lost,,, The Lives Taken Early Because The Letter Of The Law Was Not Followed.
We can't even recommend the death penalty for these killers, that's not allowed according to them being Mexico Citizens,,,,, YES, You heard me right,,,, The Only Time Mexico Cares About These Criminals Are When We Have The Right Under Our Judicial System To Ask For The Death Penalty!!!!!

Now that's the problem, these acts of crime are not fully publicized by the Liberal Media,, You all know this is true, the media will not release the name of the person who committed the crime if that person is suspected of being illegal. Then they'll call this Criminal an Undocumented Hispanic male or female.

You ask why we are so upset? Do you have to ask why we want illegals out? You need to think about something, most of the time, the criminal is not hurt, to drunk to be hurt or to stoned to know their hurt, they run and they hide with friends and family. Next they run back across and what and come back across again to continue where they left off, wrecking our lives and our way of life.

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 12:32 AM

thank you for inviting me...

My opinion I hope does not interfer with you assessment of me...

My solution in an earlier thread was the best of what I could think to solve the problem, versus outright annexation of mexico...

@friend at the VA, your right The southern part of mexico is easier to defend... smaller area....

an annexation would end the problem... and change a whole lot of things...

how does it tie in...

well It made me think over a few things... (i like spicing things up)

I went looking for the specifics on the number of estimated illegal immigrants...

it was interseting with the number count at least...

I was tring to see if arizonas numbers where different then the feds... or texas's, new mexico's, or cali's

I will finish tommorow I may have a completely different post... I am falling asleep.... S and f....

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 12:38 AM
reply to post by ripcontrol

ripcontrol, annexation of Mexico,,, Hmmmm I like it, That country has, Oil, Gold, Diamonds and Agriculture and a Tourist business.
We just need to kill all the drug lords, Yup, it can be done.

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 12:41 AM
reply to post by Night Star

Once we clamp down then borders, no one will ever be murdered in the US again.
That will be awesome.

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 08:12 AM
About time someone (State) stands up to the bully Feds. Call the out for what they are all about.

It just takes one and more will follow-especially since she is correct.

You Go Girl!!!

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 12:14 PM
reply to post by guohua

A standing ovation for Governor Jan Brewer! In my considered opinion, the government broke the Constitution when the brought suit against Senate Bill 1070.

Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Redress of grievancesis what we are talking about here, Arizona has a real grievance, their State is being invaded by illegals and drug and human traffickers, and the Congress sits on their butts and dreams up ways to make these people legal, and make them eligible for social services and most to garner their votes in upcoming elections. Calls have been made for sealing the border, posting troops on the border, even the Minutemen went down there to help and were demonized for it. Anyone who speaks of closing the southern border is a racist, and even after all of these invading illegals, not all Mexicans mind you, have freely crossed the border and melded into the American countryside. I say every State should sue the government over this issue, before some Extremest walks across with a suitcase bomb and does some real damage. Perhaps that is what the powers that be want.
(Quotes are mine)

Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 01:11 PM
reply to post by anon72

anon72, Hello and Thanks For Stoping By.

Yes, we're doing our best to stand up to the feds. the real problem comes from the Damn Liberals in positions of power and influence in our state. Like this Idiot: Representative Raul Grijalva., who represents southern Arizona in the United States Congress.
Arizona Rep. Calls for ‘Targeted’ Boycott of Own State, Runs Off When Asked About Stopping Drugs at the Border.
( – Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), who represents a congressional district that includes 300 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border, turned and walked away and did not answer when asked him whether he was committed to sealing the border against the influx of illegal drugs.
I thought it was more like he turned and ran away. He is Part Of The Problem, He's A Sanctuary Cities Supporter.
You'll have to go to this link to see him walk away and not answer the question, The video I wanted to use did not work, that's why there's so many edits/

edit on 11-2-2011 by guohua because: Spelling

edit on 11-2-2011 by guohua because: (no reason given)

edit on 11-2-2011 by guohua because: (no reason given)

edit on 11-2-2011 by guohua because: (no reason given)

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 01:40 PM
reply to post by autowrench

autowrench, Again it's nice to see you contribute to the thread.

Are is a little article some of you might want to read.125 Terrorists apprehended along border with Mexico.
New York, N.Y. — According to the federal Enforcement Integrated Database, 125 individuals (From countries officially classified as state sponsors of terrorism) were apprehended along the border from fiscal year 2009 through April 20, 2010.

These deportable aliens included two Syrians, seven Sudanese, and 17 Iranians, all nationals from the three Islamic countries that the U.S. government officially classifies as state sponsors of terrorism.

Federal authorities also track “special interest countries” from which terrorism could be directed against America. Over the aforementioned period, 99 of those nations’ citizens also were nabbed on the border.

They were two Afghans, five Algerians, 13 Iraqis, 10 Lebanese, 22 Nigerians, 28 Pakistanis, two Saudis, 14 Somalis, and three Yemenis. During FY 2007 and FY 2008, federal officials caught 319 people from these same countries traversing America’s southwest border.

Now here's the Really Good Part,,,, Get Ready For It,,, Haters of Arizona!!!!
Some such characters were confined in Arizona, which recently adopted a controversial law that lets cops ask the citizenship status of those they suspect of other possible violations. YES! Arizona, Our Police can ask a simple question,,, and that Chaps Their Hides,,, They Hate That We Can In A Small Way Protect Ourselves!

Lets continue on, I know most Open Border Peoples and Sanctuary Cities Peoples can't read.
WSB-TV recently publicized an April 15, 2010, “population breakdown” of immigrants detained at a facility in Florence, Ariz. Of the 395 males behind bars, 198 were Mexican, 18 hailed from Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.

Now, we are getting to an even better part that I know the Open Border People don't believe, because, it's only an imaginary line on the ground.
How about you people that want to open your cities to these illegals? You want to feed and house them? Then you won't feel bad when they rape your family and blow your Arse Up!!

“Members of Hezbollah, the Lebanon-based terrorist organization, have already entered the United States across our southwest border,” declares “A Line in the Sand,” a 2006 report by the House Homeland Security Investigations Subcommittee, then-chaired by Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas.

Even more disturbing are the uninvited terrorists and terror suspects that were arrested after entering America through our permeable underbelly:
• Mahmoud Youssef Kourani pleaded guilty in March 2005 to providing material support to terrorists. First, Kourani secured a visa by bribing a Mexican diplomat in Beirut. He and another Middle Easterner then hired a Mexican guide to escort them into America. Finally, Kourani settled in Dearborn, Michigan’s Lebanese-immigrant community, and raised cash for Hezbollah.

Miguel Alfonso Salinas was caught in New Mexico near the international border in 2006. As The Washington Examiner reported, one week of FBI interrogation exposed Salinas as an Egyptian named Ayman Sulmane Kamal.
Then-National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell said that in FY 2006 and FY 2007, at least 30 potentially dangerous Iraqis were found trying to penetrate America via Mexico. As McConnell told the El Paso Times: “There are numerous situations where people are alive today because we caught them.” The Department of Homeland Security issued an April 14 intelligence alert regarding a possible border-crossing attempt by a Somali named Mohamed Ali. He is a suspected member of Al-Shabaab, a Somali-based al-Qaida ally tied to the deadly attack on American GIs in 1993′s notorious “Blackhawk Down” incident in Mogadishu.

Captured in Brownsville, Texas, Ahmed Muhammed Dhakane pleaded not guilty on May 14 to federal charges that he “ran a large-scale smuggling enterprise” designed to sneak East Africans through Mexico into Texas, including “several AIAI-affiliated Somalis into the United States.” Al-Ittihad Al-Islami is yet another Muslim-extremist organization.
Daniel Joseph Maldonado also has Somali ties. He was picked up in Somalia in 2007 during terrorist training. He was returned to Houston for prosecution. As Rice University’s Joan Neuhas Schaan told KHOU-TV: “They had plans for him to come back to the United States and recruit female suicide bombers.”

I know a long read, but worth it if you are not up to date on want we face on a daily bases here.

edit on 11-2-2011 by guohua because: Spelling

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 02:04 PM
Is Arizona’s border a gateway for nukes? I think that's a reasonable question.
In 2006, Congress passed legislation to develop a stronger southern border, which was to include a fence, sensors and other technical measures. To date, the border has yet to see these improvements.

Arizona may not be the enemy of extremist groups like Hezbollah, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba and al-Qaida, but America is, and Arizona happens to have the ideal porous border for nefarious activity. -terrorists-out-of-america-video/

What’s more, there is a growing relationship between extremist groups and drug traffickers. The latter are well entrenched at our southern border.
Here below is another example of the Sanctuary Cities and Open Borders People getting us Killed!
In an alarming example of how sanctuary cities can protect terrorists, a Pakistani man arrested for the Time Square bombing admitted on a city license application that he entered the U.S. illegally and authorities took no action.

That’s because he applied for the cabbie license in a state (Massachusetts) that openly protects illegal immigrants from deportation. Local law enforcement agencies throughout Massachusetts have don’t-ask-don’t-tell policies regarding illegal aliens and in this case the Boston Police Department has for years known that the terrorist, So Pir Khan, was in the country illegally.
Massachuestts,,, Sanctuary Citiy,,,, People you think illegals are Stupid? They know who the weak ones are!

Massachusetts is hardly alone in protecting illegal immigrants. Nationwide there are dozens of cities and counties that offer them sanctuary, mostly by protecting them from authorities and giving them taxpayer-financed public services. Among them are most California cities, Utah’s two largest municipalities (Provo and Salt Lake City), Chicago, the District of Columbia and New Haven Connecticut to name a few. They could easily be protecting terrorists.
You All Should Be Ashamed Of You State, City and County,, Sanctuary Cities Will Be The Death of Us,,,, Because we have No Border Protection!
edit on 11-2-2011 by guohua because: (no reason given)

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 02:06 PM
Good deal. And about damn time.

Have been saying this and writing to the governor here for years now. The federal government is in breach of contract or dereliction of duty in not protecting the borders. At least the other border states need to join them, but in theory all states could, as all states suffer damages and incur costs.
edit on 2/11/2011 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 02:15 PM
From 1990 to 2009 Arizona'a illegal immigrant population quadrupled. Of course, all that was after Arizona had started to receive water from its Central Arizona Project, allowing for increased growth in the southern part of the state.

And who better to tend new crops and construct new housing developments than cheap illegal (Mexican) labor, and also work in new service industies (hotels, restaurants, childcare, gardening etc.) related to growth. Where was the outcry then in Arizona, when illegal cheap labor was used and legal citizens and businesses benefited?

Too bad Arizona let their illegal labor problem get out of hand and then had to resort to drastic measures. Where was personal responsibility? Now it's "the govt didn't save us from ourselves!!"

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Sinnthia
reply to post by Night Star

Once we clamp down then borders, no one will ever be murdered in the US again.
That will be awesome.

I take it you are being sarcastic. The difference between legal and illegal murders is that the thousands of illegal ones could have been prevented. Thousands of deaths could have been prevented had our laws been enforced. Could you imagine losing your child, mother or father, brother os sister just because we are so leniant with illegals? That video brings desperately needed awareness to people. You don't often hear these stories or see the faces behind it.

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 04:26 PM
How individual states can save their country...

OK @ the whole daamn state of arizona...

Listen to these comments and procede carefully...

@ the op... again I apologise for not responding sooner....

A sit rep is necessary for a quick acroos the board look...

you have four border states directly on the border...

Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California.....

I need the actual statistics

# of illegal projections...

amount of money actually spent publically by immigrants... (for the argument over contributions)by state...

# illegals on food stamps, wic, and tanf... ect via state... public assisstance....

# of illegals children in school....

amount of drugs seized that have come over the border (brakedown by state)

With all of the above information, you can see the actual damage being done. versus the actuall pumping into the economy done by welfare and extra taxes....

thier is no report like this because neither side can afford the truth...

Here why? I bet you the information will disappear from federal websties... before this court date... why...

Well the in the suit your have to prove x is true... The state should have sued seperately instead of counter suing...

Now op, you asked indirectly I think what else each of the four bottom states on the border can do...

First you must each be a castle state.. if not push it now... (You can kill for anyone being on the property, it gives the ranchers the ability legally to use force... and the deaths are state matters feds have no jurisdiction)

second begin forming deeper relationships with the other three neighbors.... (california will be the problem child of the set...) crime info....see third...

third, the cops can ask for Social Security numbers.... and ID checks... Defrauding a state government is a state crime not a federal crime... if it comes back that the ID is fake or the Social security number is fake... it is an act of defrauding the state to obtain valid id's... Cops can hold anyone on suspicion of fake id... 48 hours...

fourth, when parents enroll kids into school do audits on ss#s for federal funds... if false informations was provided... the school is part of the state government... it is an act of fraud... arrest the parents for defrauding the government..

Send state agents to investigate all the schools for meeting federal requirements...states do do the checks... to prevent teachers from altering records or those that are sympathetic....

then when the parents are arrested send CPS to take the children (normally they send them to another county) Remember defrauding the state is a crime..... no one watching the kids (trust me CPS is so crooked that this will fly... they want those federal tax dollars
) Then CPS can move to get amnesty and citizenship for the kids.... and leave the parents getting deported... kids go to nice safer homes up further north...( and Let CPS fight the feds on the law.. a two birds one stone advantage...

fifth, go to southern florida and find out how the state has operated the problem... they have dealt with it longer then the other 48 and they may help you in your fight....

well this is it for now... good luck to arizona....

sixth, the drug lords... aid new mexico in going down or trick them up to here... arrest them for tax evasion in New mexico... then send them to new mexico for it... (I believe they do have a state tax... ) or even texas could do it for not pay business taxes...

this was kent walls and thank you for your support...
edit on 11-2-2011 by ripcontrol because: because, you like me

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 07:51 PM
"SANTA ANA – A woman must pay $80,000 in restitution and has been sentenced to 180 days in jail following her conviction for fraudulently applying for and illegally receiving public assistance for 11 years."

"Prosecutors said that beginning Dec. 6, 1991, Ramirez fraudulently applied for public assistance for her nine children through the Orange County Department of Social Services by signing under penalty of perjury that her husband lived and worked in Mexico. But, prosecutors said, while she collected aid her husband held three jobs and lived with his family in Orange County."

And there are many just like her. enforce our immigration laws!!!!!!

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 08:26 PM
reply to post by Night Star

Night Star, Did you see this?

They live here 15 years and had 10 kids ( I'm sure at tax payers expense ) and still can't show enough respect to even try and speak English.

And here they've found some illegals working with Stolen SSN#'s,,,,,

We need to keep this in the news all across America!

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 08:30 PM
reply to post by MindSpin

She's gonna have a real hard time with that case since immigration enforcement has increased under has border patrol and enforcement.

INCREASED border patrol?????

Even though the Border Patrol now reports that almost 1,300 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border is not under effective control, and the Department of Justice says that vast stretches of the border are “easily breached,” and the Government Accountability Office has revealed that three persons “linked to terrorism” and 530 aliens from “special interest countries” were intercepted at Border Patrol checkpoints last year, the administration is nonetheless now planning to decrease the number of Border Patrol agents deployed on the U.S.-Mexico border....

Director of Media Relations Lloyd Easterling) said on Tuesday that in fiscal 2009, 17,399 Border Patrol agents have been deployed on the U.S.-Mexico border. In fiscal year 2010, the Border Patrol plans to decrease that by 384 agents, leaving 17,015 deployed along the Mexican frontier...

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano announced Friday that she has canceled the troubled virtual fence project along the southwest border...

Officials: Border Crime On The Rise
PINAL COUNTY, Ariz. — Authorities in Pinal County dispute the Federal Government’s assertion that the Arizona border with Mexico is more secure than ever....

The numbers county officials provided in the release seem to back up Gaffney’s stance. The Pinal County Sheriff’s Office said it has seen a “dramatic” increase in vehicle pursuits, drug seizures and calls to U.S. Border Patrol agents to help deal with illegal immigrants.The release specifically points to marijuana smuggling and states that the number of pounds of pot seized has gone up almost 65 percent since 2007. The release also points out that the calls to Border Patrol for assistance have more than doubled in the same time period...

For the past two years, the Pinal County Sheriff’s Office (PCSO) has seen dramatic increases related to vehicle pursuits, drug seizures, and calls to the U.S. Border Patrol for illegal immigrants. Pinal County is the number one pass through county in all of America for drug and human trafficking. Below are comparisons for the past four years.Pounds of marijuana seized:

* 2007: 28,903
* 2008: 19,619
* 2009: 44:963
* 2010: 44,8819

Sadly, these numbers do not reflect other violence or violent crimes related to drug smuggling that has taken place during this past year;
including, two officer involved shootings,
the execution of a cartel member in Casa Grande, AZ,
the killing of two men in Vekol Valley (who were part of a Rip Crew),
a man who was kidnapped in Phoenix and because he was unable to post the ransom demand, he was shot twice in Vekol Valley
a victim who was stabbed in Casa Grande as part of a “Cartel Hit.”

On the human smuggling side of immigration, our deputies have gone into the desert countless times to help those who were abandoned by their “Coyotes.”

These cases included a six and eleven-year-old who were abandoned by “Coyotes” and forced to drink their own urine for two days in order to survive.Sheriff Paul Babeu stated,

“Homeland Security Director, Janet Napolitano has told all of America the border is more secure now than ever.... If the border is more secure now than ever, how come we are seeing these dramatic increases. Each and every time a vehicle flees from my deputies it puts them and everybody else on the roadway at risk. These numbers truly show the border is not secure and needs immediate attention.”Tim Gaffney Public Information Officer Pinal County Sheriff’s Office

Drug cartels have rented offices and apartments in order to coordinate drug trafficking, kidnappings and extortion in both countries, and to recruit young Americans. The San Diego office of the U.S. Department of Justice and DEA report of buildings rented by the Arellano Felix cartel which served as the chief operating offices for their larger network.

The Burns family in Brooks County, Texas, are packing up and leaving their 38,000 acre ranch because the area has become a war zone, thanks to the Mexican drug cartels

Man Found Dead on Acapulco Highway Brings Resort City’s Toll to 31 Dead in 4 Days - January 10, 2011

Customs and Border Protection officers say they’ve seized nearly 5,000 pounds of marijuana from a tractor-trailer hauling green tomatoes into Arizona.

Found tottering alone in the desert with their ribs visible and their heads hung low, horses play a backbreaking, unappreciated role in the multibillion-dollar drug smuggling industry.

2010: Increase in Drug Violence
There have been 15 journalists, 14 mayors, a candidate for governor and a former governor shot dead and 19, 557 executions in 2010. In the four years President Calderon has been in office, 40, 627 Mexicans have died. The executions are increasing each year: in 2007, there were 2,561; in 2008, up to 6,756; in 2009, higher to 11,753. The article goes on to detail the worst Mexican states for the violence, the major drug people arrested or killed, and the important people killed. Calderon is criticized numerous times throughout the piece.

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 08:50 PM
reply to post by crimvelvet

ASSUME INFORMATION,,, crimvelvet ,,,, Thank You.
That's using Google to your advantage.

Latest Texas Housing Crisis? The Drug Cartel Could Be Your Next Door Neighbor!
They seem to be having the same problem we in Arizona have.

Thanks to the housing crisis and an increase in foreclosures, Texas homeowners have yet another worry to keep them up at night. The Mexican drug cartel's presence could be increasing in leafy North Texas neighborhoods. A Dallas County constable says he has helped both the Dallas Police and the DEA take down 40 drug homes in peaceful, middle- to upper-class north Dallas neighborhoods in the last three years.

"They'll do whatever it takes to get into your neighborhood and hide," says Constable Ben Adamcik.
The tanking Mexican economy is driving the drug cartels north to Texas, says Adamcik, where they are getting great deals on foreclosed homes and hiding inside nice neighborhoods where no one would ever suspect drug activity. That's where police are going in to find huge caches of high-powered weapons, bullet proof vests, silencers, and pounds of coc aine, ecstasy, ice, and marijuana for major drug profits.

Here are some things to watch for in your Neighborhood.
Law enforcement officers say these things could mean a drug dealer is operating out of a home:

-Sealed-off windows and doors
-Dark shades
-Curtains that seldom open
-Burglar bars recently installed
-Houses with very little activity.

posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 10:28 PM
I am in Rhode Island, far away from the border and we were recently infiltrated by a Mexican drug cartel. We busted them, but still. How frightening is that? Knowing these people who think nothing of dismembering bodies are in rhode Island makes my blood boil!
How many other States you want to bet they have infiltrated?

top topics

<< 1    3 >>

log in