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the more the smoke, the less fire!

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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:10 PM
hi all.

lots and LOTS of posts, now, on this 2012 thing. I am beginning to wonder if when there is a lot of smoke, there is little fire! Since nothing has happened yet, this reminds me of "rumor 4.0" in my air force barracks about some "leaked" barrack inspection to come!

One of the things I see about "2012" is that this date is a Target. Like that rump on the donkey, where at the party the kids play "pin the tail on the donkey"! A focus for all of our uncertainties. A target that can be imagined, tis easy to have *a* date, than to have an uncertain stress-inducing uncertainly.

Anyway, this is the "poo-poo" theory. a good psychologist would say this.

But I am not a psychologist!!
I am a person with a Soul with psychic talents and also a small Knowing about the inner planes, where the Archangels and the gods and God is! Just enough to Know.......
to know that they are out of time.

outside of time.

any idea what this means?!
take a pencil.
pick it up off of the table by the right end. this is "currant time" the right end of the pencil.
but if you were somehow Outside of Time, if you pick up that right end, you pick up the left end too.
what this infers is that the present could cause the past.

in the case of 2012, the archangels/gods/God, being outside of time, could set up a progression of events to occur in such a way that perhaps their marker-dating is a certain cycle of the sun coupled with the planets.
This would translate to our "2012". So our ENTIRE culture, from Aztec/Mayans to Spanish Mexico, to our own, have been Pegged to this 2012!!

be *like* some "god" incarnates into, say, India, around 1800 AD, he picks his incarnation latitude-longitude long before there is an India. Thus it is Inspired that a city is built there at that point, through the years, just so that there will be a city there for him to live in, when he incarnates!!

the 500 lb tail wags the tiny poodle!!

the Event of the changes are set up thousands of years ago, thus our culture must be grown to fit the pattern!
[the Ultimate Conspiracy, folks: the Gods are behind it all, from 9/11 to everything else, the liberals cannot "see" high enough into spirit to detect this, thus they see Meddling at work, but not the hands that manipulate!]

take your pick, pin the tail on the Donkey or..the ultimate conspiracy!!

sleep well tonight!


posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 12:49 AM
reply to post by freestonew

So you basically are saying that it COULD be all mumbo jumbo but that it is possibly going to be the result of some kind of "quantum event" that doesn't exactly happen on 2012 but results in something happening on that date.

It is a possibility, but it lacks any shred of evidence.

A few things we know for sure.. We are thousands of years overdue for a pole shift, the sun is doing some odd things lately (possibly transitioning into a new solar period like the "Maunder Minimum") and we know that the solar system's protective "bubble", the heliosphere, is inexplicably deteriorating.

Sun's protective 'bubble' is shrinking

Without the helisophere, it would definately be a bad day to be living on earth. Since the helisphere appears to be shrinking and deteriorating in strength, the trend may continue until it no longer acts to "sheild" earth as it does now. I've also read before that lulls in solar activity and its overall magnetic field strength might directly coincide with certain mass extinction events. Although we may never know for sure, what we do know is that solar activity has an immense impact on life on earth and without the helisophere nearly all life on earth would eventually cease to exist.

Another interesting bit is "Timewave Zero".

Timewave zero" is a numerological formula that purports to calculate the ebb and flow of "novelty", defined as increase in the universe's interconnectedness, or organised complexity, over time. According to Terence McKenna, who conceived the idea over several years in the early-mid 1970s while using psilocybin mushrooms and '___', the universe has a teleological attractor at the end of time that increases interconnectedness, eventually reaching a singularity of infinite complexity in 2012, at which point anything and everything imaginable will occur simultaneously.

McKenna expressed "novelty" in a computer program, which purportedly produces a waveform known as timewave zero or the timewave. Based on McKenna's interpretation of the King Wen sequence of the I Ching, the graph appears to show great periods of novelty corresponding with major shifts in humanity's biological and cultural evolution. He believed the events of any given time are recursively related to the events of other times, and chose the atomic bombing of Hiroshima as the basis for calculating his end date in November 2012. When he later discovered this date's proximity to the end of the 13th b'ak'tun of the Maya calendar, he revised his hypothesis so that the two dates matched.

The first edition of The Invisible Landscape refers to 2012 (as the year, not a specific day) only twice. It was only in 1983, with the publication of Sharer's revised table of date correlations in the 4th edition of Morley's The Ancient Maya, that each became convinced that December 21, 2012, had significant meaning. McKenna subsequently included this specific date throughout the second edition of The Invisible Landscape, published in 1993.

We've been discussing Timewave Zero and it's relation to 2012 in the following thread by Evasius:

Timewave Zero - Countdown to Transition

Essentially, it is a formula that was made into a computer program that contains, in graph format, the relationship between what McKenna called "novelty" and time. The formula predicts December 21, 2012 being important. However, the simple fact that "novelty" would end on December 21, 2012 doesn't mean mankind would end on December 21, 2012. "Novelty" could represent the earth's collective, group subconscious. Or, the entire theory could be nonsense. McKenna's ideas and theories were a little off the wall. But you have to admit it is interesting to contemplate.

If McKenna's formula is somehow correct, which is still in question, it begs the philosophical question: What does novelty really represent? It could be that all life one earth is genetically "programmed" to be linked together in a way we can't physically see. This idea is supported by things like psychic abilities, SRV or Scientific Remote Viewing and Precognition. But if his formula was correct and novelty really does exist somehow, it could be that on December 21, 2012 we finally realize what "novelty" represents and the software can't see past that point because we are "aware" of what it means at a conscious level.

In any event, the idea of "novelty" representing an interconnectedness of life on earth coincides with what great minds and religious figures have told us for centuries, which is, essentially that we are all "one". It is also supported by the idea of parallel universes, the zero point field and all other "fields" or "dimensions" we don't know about yet which permeate the known universe.

It is theorized that dark matter is simply gravity bleeding through from parallel universes. Thus, dark matter can exist in our universe independent of any star or physical object. In a book I just finished reading, called "The Universe in a Nutshell" by Steven Hawking, this is exactly what he sais. If thisis the case, the truth is stranger than anyone could've ever imagined. Plus, it opens up a Pandora's box of possibilities and future scientific discoveries.



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