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CERN tampering with earths magnetic field?

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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:09 PM
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When you hear of CERN, the LHC is usually the the first thing that comes to mind; but have you heard of the AMS-02?



The Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer (AMS-02) is a state-of-the-art particle physics detector designed to operate as an external module on the International Space Station. It will use the unique environment of space to study the universe and its origin by searching for antimatter, dark matter while performing precision measurements of cosmic rays composition and flux




AMS-02 will collect hundreds of million of primary cosmic rays which, after being accelerated by strong magnetic fields, traveled for hundreds of millions of light years before reaching the experiment.




With its sensitivity and a magnet 4000 times stronger than the magnetic field of the Earth, AMS-02 has a chance to observe dark matter particles directly from space by studying the details of cosmic ray distribution


wait, wait, wait...........A magnet 4000 times STRONGER than the MAGNETIC FIELD of EARTH is going to be orbiting in EARTH'S MAGNETIC FIELD!!! I'm not a scientist, but wouldn't a magnet of this strength disturb our magnetic field!



A magnet (from Greek μαγνήτις λίθος magnḗtis líthos, "Magnesian stone") is a material or object that produces a magnetic field. This magnetic field is invisible but is responsible for the most notable property of a magnet: a force that pulls on other ferromagnetic materials, such as iron, and attracts or repels other magnets.

attracts or repels other magnet

The magnetic pole shift has been the blame for all the weird weather, and animal deaths here on ATS. The unusual events started this year all of a sudden.
Why?
Maybe because the tests on the AMS-02 started in January......



AMS-02 started the 2011 with a lot of testing: the first one was the power quality test, successfully completed, as well as the interface test. From January 17th to 21th, was performed the ISS end-to-end DAQ test, operating the spectrometer powered on from JSC Houston with 3 shifts per day.

And its not even in space yet!


One of the weird things i came across researching this, was the connection with the AMS-02 and the shooting in AZ. Mark Kelly the husband of the congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford is the commander of the crew installing the AMS-02 to the ISS in March.

What are your thoughts on the AMS-02?

Sources
AMS-02
CERN

P,S. This is my first thread so advice and tips are more than welcome
edit on 9-2-2011 by TwistedAmnion because: Add Sources




posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Great thread!! It sounds stupid on the scientist part to perform this test. Anyone with basic knowledge of astronomy knows that objects; like asteroids, comets, and space junk is attracted to magnetic fields. That's how they have orbiting objects called moons.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:16 PM
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There are reports that mention the magnetic field was changing well before 2011, though.
I'm sure someone here will provide an adequate link as I have none to hand, but I think it was around the late 1990's that the first speculative articles started appearing.

At the risk of a knock at my door, I'll nudge you towards looking closer at the 'instrument angels usually play' facility in Puerto Rico - their first test site which...well, you can look into it for yourself if interested, I'm sure. It could be nothing.
Suffice to say it's no stretch of the imagination to consider the implications of potentially disturbing the spinning inner core of our planet (with ultra low and potentially very violent vibrations sent into the Earth, as per first use of the tech) which just so happens to be the mechanism which is thought to create our protective magnetic field...

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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by TwistedAmnion
When you hear of CERN, the LHC is usually the the first thing that comes to mind; but have you heard of the AMS-02?



The Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer (AMS-02) is a state-of-the-art particle physics detector designed to operate as an external module on the International Space Station. It will use the unique environment of space to study the universe and its origin by searching for antimatter, dark matter while performing precision measurements of cosmic rays composition and flux




AMS-02 will collect hundreds of million of primary cosmic rays which, after being accelerated by strong magnetic fields, traveled for hundreds of millions of light years before reaching the experiment.




With its sensitivity and a magnet 4000 times stronger than the magnetic field of the Earth, AMS-02 has a chance to observe dark matter particles directly from space by studying the details of cosmic ray distribution


wait, wait, wait...........A magnet 4000 times STRONGER than the MAGNETIC FIELD of EARTH is going to be orbiting in EARTH'S MAGNETIC FIELD!!! I'm not a scientist, but wouldn't a magnet of this strength disturb our magnetic field!


Well as the size of the experimental field is microscopic incomparison the the earths molten metal core( that creates the magnetic field); I would say no.



Originally posted by TwistedAmnion
A magnet (from Greek μαγνήτις λίθος magnḗtis líthos, "Magnesian stone") is a material or object that produces a magnetic field. This magnetic field is invisible but is responsible for the most notable property of a magnet: a force that pulls on other ferromagnetic materials, such as iron, and attracts or repels other magnets.

attracts or repels other magnet

The magnetic pole shift has been the blame for all the weird weather, and animal deaths here on ATS. The unusual events started this year all of a sudden.
Why?
Maybe because the tests on the AMS-02 started in January......



AMS-02 started the 2011 with a lot of testing: the first one was the power quality test, successfully completed, as well as the interface test. From January 17th to 21th, was performed the ISS end-to-end DAQ test, operating the spectrometer powered on from JSC Houston with 3 shifts per day.

And its not even in space yet!


One of the weird things i came across researching this, was the connection with the AMS-02 and the shooting in AZ. Mark Kelly the husband of the congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford is the commander of the crew installing the AMS-02 to the ISS in March.

What are your thoughts on the AMS-02?

Sources
AMS-02
CERN

P,S. This is my first thread so advice and tips are more than welcome
edit on 9-2-2011 by TwistedAmnion because: Add Sources



The magnetic pole shift has been the blame IT HAS??? By who?for all the weird weather, and animal deaths here on ATS.

The unusual events started this year all of a sudden.
Why?

While I would admit bird and fish kills have been unsettling...BUT:
The magnetic poles have been shifting since the earth was formed in fact it changes constantly :


Earth's Inconstant Magnetic Field
12.29.03

Our planet's magnetic field is in a constant state of change, say researchers who are beginning to understand how it behaves and why.

Every few years, scientist Larry Newitt of the Geological Survey of Canada goes hunting. He grabs his gloves, parka, a fancy compass, hops on a plane and flies out over the Canadian arctic. Not much stirs among the scattered islands and sea ice, but Newitt's prey is there--always moving, shifting, elusive.
The movement of Earth's north magnetic pole across the Canadian arctic, 1831-2001. Credit: Geological Survey of Canada.

His quarry is Earth's north magnetic pole.

At the moment it's located in northern Canada, about 600 km from the nearest town: Resolute Bay, population 300, where a popular T-shirt reads "Resolute Bay isn't the end of the world, but you can see it from here." Newitt stops there for snacks and supplies--and refuge when the weather gets bad. "Which is often," he says.

Right: The movement of Earth's north magnetic pole across the Canadian arctic, 1831--2001. Credit: Geological Survey of Canada. [More]

Scientists have long known that the magnetic pole moves. James Ross located the pole for the first time in 1831 after an exhausting arctic journey during which his ship got stuck in the ice for four years. No one returned until the next century. In 1904, Roald Amundsen found the pole again and discovered that it had moved--at least 50 km since the days of Ross.

The pole kept going during the 20th century, north at an average speed of 10 km per year, lately accelerating "to 40 km per year," says Newitt. At this rate it will exit North America and reach Siberia in a few decades.

Keeping track of the north magnetic pole is Newitt's job. "We usually go out and check its location once every few years," he says. "We'll have to make more trips now that it is moving so quickly."

Earth's magnetic field is changing in other ways, too: Compass needles in Africa, for instance, are drifting about 1 degree per decade. And globally the magnetic field has weakened 10% since the 19th century. When this was mentioned by researchers at a recent meeting of the American Geophysical Union, many newspapers carried the story. A typical headline: "Is Earth's magnetic field collapsing?"

more at:

www.nasa.gov... tHJE

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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:36 PM
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It sounds like a bad idea to the folks on ATS, yet the top scientists in the world want to do it. What's the stated goal of the experiment? learning more about the origins of the universe? that sounds good in a MSM soundbite and would cause the average joe to turn away from the story, thinking that's as far as it goes. Perhaps CERN knows exactly what this device will do, and somebody is trying to stop them? for me, NASA, JPL and Lockheed have always been at the heart of the Conspiracy, so naturally CERN is suspect. The connection to the Tuscon shooting is what really got my attention. Maybe somebody on "our" side is going after families of those involved using less-than-moral tactics? Punisher style?



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:37 PM
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Great thread!! It sounds stupid on the scientist part to perform this test. Anyone with basic knowledge of astronomy knows that objects; like asteroids, comets, and space junk is attracted to magnetic fields. That's how they have orbiting objects called moons.


Where the heck did you get that


Are you by any chance talking about GRAVITATIONAL fields and confusing it with magnetic fields?



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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Well since its a conspiracy site...

WHAT IF: Loughner KNEW of the mission of Gifford's Husband and thought shooting her would delay or stop the mission due to his grief and absence? I know it would have made more sense to shoot him but meh...



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by greenfox83
 





Great thread!! It sounds stupid on the scientist part to perform this test. Anyone with basic knowledge of astronomy knows that objects; like asteroids, comets, and space junk is attracted to magnetic fields. That's how they have orbiting objects called moons.


Where the heck did you get that


Are you by any chance talking about GRAVITATIONAL fields and confusing it with magnetic fields?



wow
"Anyone with basic knowledge of astronomy knows that objects; like asteroids, comets, and space junk is attracted to magnetic fields."



really????????////////////////////////////////////////////////////

politely :You would be terribly mis-informed there.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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Firstly, how do they even find/make a magnet that large? Second, the stupidity and sheer lack of self-preservation present in the scientific mind is just baffling. Really, what gives them the right to F# over the whole human race, not to mention the rest of the species on the planet? Rant over.

Wouldn't this act as some kind of moon when out in space? There was just recently a scare on the ISS, this year, maybe a few weeks back and they had to evacuate. Danger from space junk supposedly. It is very interesting that Giffords hubby is part of this project, the whole Giffords thing stinks to high heaven on so many different levels. Somethings up with that.

I am betting there is a DIRECT correlation to the Earths Magnetic Field disruption and this device. Good work OP.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by TwistedAmnion


With its sensitivity and a magnet 4000 times stronger than the magnetic field of the Earth, AMS-02 has a chance to observe dark matter particles directly from space by studying the details of cosmic ray distribution


wait, wait, wait...........A magnet 4000 times STRONGER than the MAGNETIC FIELD of EARTH is going to be orbiting in EARTH'S MAGNETIC FIELD!!! I'm not a scientist, but wouldn't a magnet of this strength disturb our magnetic field!


The AMS-02 may be 4000 times stronger than the earth's magnetic field, but the LHC is 19000 times stronger than the earth's field, and a typical MRI is almost 7000 times as strong. The AMS-02 has nothing on these, and it will be a lot further away from the source of the earth's magnetic field than any of them.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by Sly1one
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Well since its a conspiracy site...

WHAT IF: Loughner KNEW of the mission of Gifford's Husband and thought shooting her would delay or stop the mission due to his grief and absence? I know it would have made more sense to shoot him but meh...






Lougher was too much of an idiot to comprehend anything even remotely close to that. If thats true he was an mk ultra drone.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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There are many magnets on earth that are stronger than earth's magnetic field, rare earth magnet, electromagnets, electric motors, high speed rail lines with magnetically levitated trains all give off magnetic fields greater than the one that protects us. Take a magnetic compass and stick it near a magnet or stereo speaker and you won't point north because it is drawn to that magnetic field instead of the earth's.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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The magnet may be 4000 times stronger than the earth's magnetic field but it is far smaller & very local.

I don't think there is anything to be worried about here. The Earth's magnetic field is not very powerful but it is planet sized. The AMS field is powerful but it is smaller than a car.
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:10 PM
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Been thinking that CERN has had a hand in what is coming down the pike and recent happenings. Finally, someone has brought it up. Thing is, I feel it is more what is going on with the accelerator than something they are planning on shooting into space.

Scientists are very "tunnel visioned" people. They could care less about the consequences when proving that they are "right"...in other words, they will prove their theories at any cost. Quite possible, it's not the persons themselves, but the governments that are paying them to prove the theories.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:17 PM
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Wow, I was very misinformed I guess. I didn't realize the strength of an MRI. The Giffords/ISS thing still stinks.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by mutantgenius
Firstly, how do they even find/make a magnet that large?

Intense magnetic fields can be created by running large currents through superconducting electromagnets. which is what the LHC and other colliders use everyday..Didn't you guys get to watch all those old crappy 16mm science movies in middle school science class ? in case you didn't:

The electric field and magnetic fields are basically "reciprocal" ( for example) electric current movement through a conductor creates a magnetic field; and conversely; magnetic field movement across a conductor produces an electric current.Its how a generator and electric motors work. One rotates a coil in a magnetic field to create a current( the generator) in the other a current creates a magnetic field to create "rotation" (the motor).

Originally posted by mutantgenius
Second, the stupidity and sheer lack of self-preservation present in the scientific mind is just baffling. Really, what gives them the right to F# over the whole human race, not to mention the rest of the species on the planet? Rant over.
Nobody is f'ng over the human race here.

Originally posted by mutantgenius
Wouldn't this act as some kind of moon when out in space?
Yes and No
The moon orbits the earth
Does it orbit the earth? (yes)
does it have enough mass to affect tides and have gravitational affects on earth? NO.


Originally posted by mutantgenius
There was just recently a scare on the ISS, this year, maybe a few weeks back and they had to evacuate. Danger from space junk supposedly. It is very interesting that Giffords hubby is part of this project, the whole Giffords thing stinks to high heaven on so many different levels. Somethings up with that.
Uh that would be jumping the grand canyon to some way out there conclusions.

Originally posted by mutantgenius
I am betting there is a DIRECT correlation to the Earths Magnetic Field disruption and this device. Good work OP.

HMMM: I'm betting you'd be completely wrong.
Mods lock this sucker now.before the psuedo science chain reaction reaches full intensity

( "deny ignorance"?)
anybody?: or do I get labled the board "azzhat" all alone.for bringing up 7th grade science to keep the boogeymen outside the fire ring?



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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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Star for you


7th grade science seems to debunk a lot of posts on ats. Right up there with the confusion between geographical and magnetic pole shift.

*can't wait for my tiolet to flush backwards*
edit on 9-2-2011 by leemachino because: forgot to add *sarcasm*



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:57 PM
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This is why I love this site, I should of payed more attention in school



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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Thank you for the mini science lesson 46ace. I still think the Giffords thing stinks.

EDIT: to add, I also still think scientist (some of them) are gonna F us all over because they have some masochistic need to push some hefty limits at the detriment of the Earth as a whole. Case in point...Atom bomb and Depleted Uranium.
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posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by mutantgenius
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Thank you for the mini science lesson 46ace. I still think the Giffords thing stinks.

EDIT: to add, I also still think scientist (some of them) are gonna F us all over because they have some masochistic need to push some hefty limits at the detriment of the Earth as a whole. Case in point...Atom bomb and Depleted Uranium.
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Thanks for the positives I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.Or come off as an "azzhat".You do know depleted uranium is used in weapons to penetrate armor simply because it is more dense than steel.
Personally ThePope and his "funny hat club for men"worries me more than a bunch of scientists with a huge electricity budget..

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