Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by BlasteR
Sorry....again, but these sorts of baseless speculations are what keep the "chem"-trail nonsense spreading.
Referring to the Chinook helicopters, you said:
But I've always wondered about it. Since they definately have the capability to disperse water and/or water with chemical additives for dousing
forest fires that same capability could, in theory, be applied to dispersing chemicals at higher altitudes for conducting weather modification
This is EXACTLY how the "chem"-trail hoaxers keep pumping it out....(not accusing you, just illustrating how THEY could do it....even to the extent,
they might try to use your example, here...for instance)...
...comments like that, absent any fact-checking. The majority of the public are woefully ignorant of so many aspects of aviation, as
The Chinook's maximum service ceiling is only about 18,000 feet. For all types of aircraft, when they define a "service ceiling" in the
specifications, it is the theoretical max height attainable by that particular machine. BUT, total weight ("Gross weight") makes a huge
difference! For any given aircraft that takes off at MAX gross weight, its actual maximum altitude it can attain is lower than its "service
ceiling"...until it lightens its load. Since ALL powered aircraft burn fuel, THAT is the primary way to become less heavy, during the course of
NOW....if you want to factor in carrying a payload...(the Chinook's payload capacity is only about 28,000 pounds) even IF you intend on
dumping it out (firefighting, etc) that weight stays with you, until you release it. Also, so does a sufficient amount of fuel, to get
you safely back to a landing, with reserves for spare.
SO....a Chinook equipped as you saw, while perfectly capable of dousing forest fires, would also (probably) be suited for the same types of
cloud-seeding activities we've discussed countless times....if they chose to utilize them in that way.
But, in any case....this has nothing at all to do with the so-called "chem"-trails!
Thanks for the info. I wasn't really insinuating that the Chinook is being used for weather modification, or at least it wasn't my intention. Like I
said, the chinook configured with the attachments I saw is used to help douse forest fires but the technology could easily be applied to aircraft
other than helicopters.
For example, at the very same installation they have a Department of Natural Resources headquarters used by "smoke jumpers". They also have planes
capable of dumping chemicals on forest fires and that technology could also easily be applied certain ways for weather modfication. I'm not saying
they are but it is definately feasible, if nothing else.
Alot of the issue is people are seeing re-fueling aircraft and aircraft like I saw when I witnessed the chinook with pipes and hoses and hoses all
over the place. For example, in 2008 Ted Tweitmeyer from the popular conspiracy site "Rense" wrote an article originally titled "Chem-trail Plane
Photographed on the ground?".
You can see the ATS thread from 2008 HERE
where we proved that Ted Tweimeyer needs to
do alot more than take photos of aerial re-fueling hardware and claim it as proof of chemtrailing.
After we thorougly debunked the "Chem-trail Plane" Rense went back and Ted edited the story. It's now called
"Chemtrail Pod Is Simple Aerial Refueling Drogue"
. I believe the thread stands as an example of
what ATS is capable of when we work together. However, it is also an example of how the public can look at certain kinds of military hardware and
label them proof of chemtrailing without knowing what the hardware is or what it's applications are.
I still believe that "chemtrailing", in particular, is possibly going on though. There's virtually no evidence that its taking place, if any but we
know weather modification activities are being conducted in the public sector and we know the military has dabbled in it before. The military
wouldn't conduct weather modification out in the open because of the 1977 UN
Environmental Modification Convention
However, the U.S. government has tried multiple times to pass legislation that would've allowed weather modification research by the military for
military applications which, we must assume, would've eventually led to legislation allowing the military to use it on the battlefield (otherwise,
that military reserach would've been all for not).
The following is something I posted in an older thread regarding this..
Senate Bill 517 (Weather Modification Research and Development Policy Authorization Act of 2005) and U.S. House Bill 2995 (Weather Modification
Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005) were proposed in order to:
-allowed experimental weather modification by artificial methods
-establish a "Weather Modification Operations and Research Board" (R&D)
-implement a national weather modification policy (whatever that means)
But the bills never became law.
However every couple of years new bills are being introduced to allow our government to fund, organize, and conduct R&D into weather modfiication.
House Bill 3445 "Weather Mitigation Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2007"
Senate Bill 1807 "Weather Mitigation Research and Development Policy Authorization Act of 2007"
The military understands the potential lethality of being able to control the weather and they're still trying to make it legal to conduct such
experimentation and weaponization programs. Although, it is at the very least, plausible that the military has already been conducting weather
modification with black budget dollars. There would be no red tape.
Below is another snippet of mine from a different thread..
The U.S. military was conducting weather modification research and development as early as world war II after it was fully realised that this new
tool could be used as an extremely effective logistical, tactical, yet somewhat controllable, tool/weapon. From what I have seen, most of these
experiments revolved around cloud-seeding.
Operation popeye, which occured in vietnam during the war, is probably the most well-documented military operation involving weather modification but
there are probably many others we don't know about because they're still classified. The U.S. and many other countries continued weather modification
R&D until the late 1970's and some countries still conduct military weather modification more or less out in the open. The UK actually conducted
similar weather modification R&D after World War II under Project Cumulus which actually ended up backfiring and killing 34 people when weather
modification experiments created masive rainfall which caused immense flooding and devastation (also called the Lynmouth Disaster )
In the U.S., NOAA regulates weather modification experiments and programs (at least those not conducted with black budget dollars). The public
sector has been doing it for decades and still is.
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