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Cables: FBI trained Egypt's state security 'torturers'

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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 05:54 PM
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Cables: FBI trained Egypt's state security 'torturers'


www.rawstory.com

Egypt's secret police, long accused of torturing suspects and intimidating political opponents of President Hosni Mubarak, received training at the FBI's facility in Quantico, Virginia, even as US diplomats compiled allegations of brutality against them, according to US State Department cables released by WikiLeaks.

One cable, dated November 2007 and published by the Telegraph, describes a meeting between the head of the SSIS, Egypt's secret police, and FBI deputy director John Pistole, in which the secret police chief praises Pistole for the "excellent and strong" cooperation between
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 05:54 PM
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I would love to sit here and gasp at how shocking and surprising this is, but I would be quite insincere in doing so, as this is merely more par for the course of our ever-criminalistic alphabetical arms of gov enforcement agencies.

So evidently, these guys haven't been merely busy SETTING UP false flags and "grooming" of supposed "terrorists", such as is brilliantly summed up in this educational little video, which I highly recommend everyone to view...



...But have also been busy little bees in the war crime training industry of torture and interrogation techniques.

Wonderful. Congratulations guys. Add another feather to your cap.

www.rawstory.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
edit on 9-2-2011 by DimensionalDetective because: add in video link



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:16 PM
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I would like to add this article from The Guardian.

28 Hours In The Dark Heart Of Egypt's Torturing Machine

A first hand report from the torture chambers in Egypt.

Thank you DimensionalDetective and WikiLeaks!



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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...and monsanto developed chemicals that allows crops to grow in harsh conditions. Is it their fault if a government / person buys those chemicals and decides to use them for purposes other than intended?

Drug companies developed hydrocodone to control pain. Is it their fault if a person overdoses on the drug and dies?

Glock makes firearms.. Is it their fault if a person legally buys one and goes on a 7 state shooting spree?
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:38 PM
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Training someone in the art of torture isn't meant to be used in too many ways, or am I missing something?
Do you mean to say that the intension of training them was in some way misinterpeted by the Egyptians?

Also, how many Guantanamo residents have made a stop-over in Egypt or Syria for a bit of light entertainment in those secret US operated prisons?



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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Excellent threads as usually, I've starred and flagged quite a few that I noticed today.

This is the biggest thing that people have the hardest accepting, the concepts of false flags and the government conspiracy against them. Though its the most obvious and one many know instinctively.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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Ok so this is fantastic information. (Video and article)

But what good does this knowledge do us? Where can we take it? I can pass it along further, and hopefully everyone that sees it passes it along further. Now we have a whole heckuva lot of people who know the allegations. Some will believe it some will not, and many will believe it but feel it is for the greater good or simply not care.

What do we (We being average people who want a Government that represents us and don't agree with being the victims of propaganda) do about it?

I consistently hear, read, see, things similar to this with good evidence if not outright admissions. And we do what? NOTHING! As long there is a nice TV, some video games, 3 squares, and perception of freedom we're good to go and don't want to rock the boat!

Until a strong leader who is willing to sacrifice their life emerges to put a stop to this we will continue down the same path. And whoever makes headway will be discredited, killed, or both. So we need a long line of people to keep picking it up until there are too many to discredit and kill.

Will this happen? I hope so.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:22 PM
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we can hope that in the light of new information and the spreading civil unrest that change for the better might come..


kx



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
I would love to sit here and gasp at how shocking and surprising this is, but I would be quite insincere in doing so, as this is merely more par for the course of our ever-criminalistic alphabetical arms of gov enforcement agencies.

So evidently, these guys haven't been merely busy SETTING UP false flags and "grooming" of supposed "terrorists", such as is brilliantly summed up in this educational little video, which I highly recommend everyone to view...


So let me get this straight.....the Egyptians paid for 'torture training', and the thread is about bashing the TEACHER? It's not about the fact that the CUSTOMER WANTED THIS TRAINING?


Just another 'Hate America' thread, apparently.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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Clever use of deflection Holmes, but that dog won't hunt!

WHO paid for it? The EGYPTIANS? Or the dictatorial thug Elitists within their small, oppressionary regime, that the people are now fighting to have removed? The SAME dictatorial regime that our gov has PROPPED UP for 30 years.

In either case, that does NOT EXCUSE our gov, who goes around preaching "democracy" and "freedom" to everyone else, while simultaniously having a direct hand in both TORTURE, as well as the TRAINING of it.

Nice try though.
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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When did being paid for something excuse it from being bad?

By this logic a paid assassin is absolved of all responsibility and only the person putting out the contract is in trouble.

The logic doesn't work and contrary to what every retail manager instills in their workers the customer is NOT always right.

The appropriate response would be "No torture training for you!"



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:52 PM
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Unfortunately this news is all too similar to what occurred in Iran. The Shah of Iran used the help of CIA to train Iran's intelligent agency, aka the Savak, to monitor and torture his opponents. The horrendous actions of the Savak led to plenty of criticism towards the Shah and eventually his downfall in 1979.

The hypocrisy involved in America's foreign policy is truly appalling.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:07 PM
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Clever use of deflection Holmes, but that dog won't hunt!

WHO paid for it? The EGYPTIANS? Or the dictatorial thug Elitists within their small, oppressionary regime, that the people are now fighting to have removed? The SAME dictatorial regime that our gov has PROPPED UP for 30 years.


Wow! That has got to be the weakest argument I've seen here in a year. Talk about deflection.


Next thing we know, you'll be calling the Egyptian military victims!


In either case, that does NOT EXCUSE our gov, who goes around preaching "democracy" and "freedom" to everyone else, while simultaniously having a direct hand in both TORTURE, as well as the TRAINING of it.

Nice try though.


Puhleeze..
Since when did this board turn so whitebread?

We ( and other superpowers ) sell nuclear technology and secrets to unstable despots, and you worry about this pablum?



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:11 PM
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When did being paid for something excuse it from being bad?

By this logic a paid assassin is absolved of all responsibility and only the person putting out the contract is in trouble.


You've got it bass-ackwards, bup. You're excusing the torturer - HE WHO WOULD USE THIS TRAINING TO TORTURE OTHERS - and you're slamming the teacher.

Bass-ackwards.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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Let me just give the horror-stricken, SHOCKED, group of you a clue:

Torture has been around for as long as man has walked upright. These types of 'training sessions' have been done for as long.

You hate the US so much, you jump on something like this as just another chance to badmouth the US. And you excuse torture when it's done to our boys. Why?

Even the article states that these are only allegations:


SSIS chief Abdul Rahman said the FBI's training sessions at Quantico were of "great benefit" to his agency. The cables did not address what sort of training Egyptian secret police received at Quantico, or how many officers were trained there.

But then, when did you ever need truth or facts to bash the US?
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by SkurkNilsen
reply to post by Xcathdra
 


Training someone in the art of torture isn't meant to be used in too many ways, or am I missing something?
Do you mean to say that the intension of training them was in some way misinterpeted by the Egyptians?

Also, how many Guantanamo residents have made a stop-over in Egypt or Syria for a bit of light entertainment in those secret US operated prisons?


There is a difference between the art of interrogation and the art of torture. Anyone can be trained on how to drive a car. ONce trained all that is left is the personal responsibility of the person, who is accountible for their own actions.

Do you really think Egypt does not train their own people in those ways? This is another dump on the doorstep campaign again.. It gets annoying.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:57 PM
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Its not one or the other that's in the wrong here - its BOTH.

The point is, as others have said, that they will publicly denounce torture yet privately sanction it.

The fact that torture has been around for ages doesn't make it right. Murder and rape have been around for just as long - doesn't mean we should condone those actions.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 10:02 PM
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Another member a few years ago stated something similar. I forget who it was and what the subject was (something 9/11 related maybe?)

But he mention about the various countries that 'suspects' were sent to, and Egypt came up as the place to send people if they needed torturing. I think he said Libya was the place they sent people to be tortured THEN killed....

But either way, good find S+F



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Ezekiel; 30.1-26
1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying ,
2Son of man, prophesy and say , Thus saith the Lord GOD; Howl ye, Woe worth the day!
3 For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.
4 And the sword shall come upon Egypt, and great pain shall be in Ethiopia, when the slain shall fall in Egypt, and they shall take away her multitude, and her foundations shall be broken down .
5Ethiopia, and Libya, and Lydia, and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword.
6 Thus saith the LORD; They also that uphold Egypt shall fall ; and the pride of her power shall come down : from the tower of Syene shall they fall in it by the sword, saith the Lord GOD.
7 And they shall be desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate , and her cities shall be in the midst of the cities that are wasted .
8 And they shall know that I am the LORD, when I have set a fire in Egypt, and when all her helpers shall be destroyed .
9 In that day shall messengers go forth from me in ships to make the careless Ethiopians afraid , and great pain shall come upon them, as in the day of Egypt: for, lo, it cometh .
10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also make the multitude of Egypt to cease by the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon.
11 He and his people with him, the terrible of the nations, shall be brought to destroy the land: and they shall draw their swords against Egypt, and fill the land with the slain.
12 And I will make the rivers dry, and sell the land into the hand of the wicked: and I will make the land waste , and all that is therein, by the hand of strangers : I the LORD have spoken it.
13 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also destroy the idols, and I will cause their images to cease out of Noph; and there shall be no more a prince of the land of Egypt: and I will put a fear in the land of Egypt.
14 And I will make Pathros desolate , and will set fire in Zoan, and will execute judgments in No.
15 And I will pour my fury upon Sin, the strength of Egypt; and I will cut off the multitude of No.
16 And I will set fire in Egypt: Sin shall have great pain , and No shall be rent asunder , and Noph shall have distresses daily.
17 The young men of Aven and of Pibeseth shall fall by the sword: and these cities shall go into captivity.
18 At Tehaphnehes also the day shall be darkened , when I shall break there the yokes of Egypt: and the pomp of her strength shall cease in her: as for her, a cloud shall cover her, and her daughters shall go into captivity.
19 Thus will I execute judgments in Egypt: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
20 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the first month, in the seventh day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying ,
21Son of man, I have broken the arm of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and, lo, it shall not be bound up to be healed , to put a roller to bind it, to make it strong to hold the sword.
22 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against Pharaoh king of Egypt, and will break his arms, the strong, and that which was broken ; and I will cause the sword to fall out of his hand.
23 And I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries.
24 And I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and put my sword in his hand: but I will break Pharaoh's arms, and he shall groan before him with the groanings of a deadly wounded man.
25 But I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and the arms of Pharaoh shall fall down ; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall put my sword into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall stretch it out upon the land of Egypt.
26 And I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and disperse them among the countries; and they shall know that I am the LORD.
-Ezekiel


Nowhere is it ordained that history moves in a straight line.
-Obama

History is a repeating cycle, the Universe is a cycle.
Whats that say about Egypt, the "King of Babylon", and God?



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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well DD, I would love to say good find and star
your thread but I am afraid you have been hoodwinked
my friend. This story is pure propaganda with an
objective to throw off the trail hounds.

That torture trail ends at the CIA doorstep
NOT the FBI !!!!

The FBI does NOT train Psy-Op agents from
other countries in torture techniques.

This is why you see CIA Specialist at
GITMO instead of FBI. And the story coming
from wikileaks is added fuel to the fire of
this being propaganda. TPTB are getting desperate
as they see their Psy-Ops falling on their @r$e
before they ever leave the ground by an informed
populace. They are desperate to cover their trail.
What you are reading in this article is proof of that.
And skurkneilson showing up on this thread to
hand out kudos to you for posting it is icing
on the cake. Skurk hosts a wikileaks mirror
site.

It's disinfo and should be treated as such.
You should be wise to this agenda by now DD.
I'm surprised.

best wishes

boon


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