Jerusalem UFO debunked in detail by CBS News

reply to post by BobbyTarass


whos time am i wasting...if u KNOW beyond reasonable doubt that its a hoax then why are u still here discussing this so called hoax...as i have sed b4 there HAS BEEN NO FACTS/EVIDENCe presented by anyone that confirms this as a hoax.

therefore case still open...get over it

reply to post by NWOnoworldorder


The evidence WAS presented you just refuse to acknowledge it because it came from both the ATS forums and the MSM. The evidence clearly shows the original audio and video were tampered with on all three videos prior to posting them on YouTube. Mr.Mask did a thorough examination of the video which is easily reproducable. There are artifacts along the edges of the video which clearly show the Mirror Edges function was added because the shake was artificial. When the orb launches up it remains centered in the video despite the camera shake of the background. No matter how fast an object is moving that is not possible to happen if the object was actually in the field of vision. There were interlace artifacts in the video showing that the orb was composited in. The first video, if you zoom in on the cellphone in the other guy's hand it does not match with what's supposed to be in his video.

How come only three videos exist? How come only these three groups saw it? Where are all the other witnesses? And don't say because it was 1a in the morning because that one has already been shot down as well. Where are the guys who originally shot and uploaded these videos? Why aren't they responding to any of the comments on YouTube?

Those are just a few. And if you took the time to read through at least the last 20 or so pages in the thread you'll see most all of the evidence.

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
please enlighten me as to how its "most likley a hoax"?

Remember that thread you participated in, the one you are upset that people keep referencing? The one with the evidence you are dismissing and rationalizing away as just being "opinion". That would be a good primer on how the Jerusalem video is most likely a hoax.

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
how does one come to a certain percentage of something being a hoax as opposed to it being real? im confused...

You are not confused; you are purposefully twisting what I am saying in order to make a straw-man argument.

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
so your hypothesis of it most likeley being fake..is just that! no proof otherwise...same as i believe it to be real..i jhave no proof.

Perhaps you missed the part of my post about preponderance of evidence and proof. Or you are just outright ignoring it, which would not be surprising, considering how you are ignoring evidence demonstrating the Jerusalem videos are most likely hoaxes. Seems par for the course for you.

reply to post by Terrormaster


sorry who in the ats community are specialists or have degrees in disecting video footage..as for msm i dont believe anything they report unlike some on here will believe the nonsense if it agrees with their opinions!!

no IRREFUTABLE evidence has been presented to say its a hoax..so stop bashing ur head on that wall....

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
as i have sed b4 there HAS BEEN NO FACTS/EVIDENCe presented by anyone that confirms this as a hoax.

There has been, ad nauseum To state otherwise demonstrates you are either a liar or ignorant to the point of delusion.

reply to post by WingedBull


prepondering evidence is NOT PROOF?!?

try harder!

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
prepondering evidence is NOT PROOF?!?

try harder!

Perhaps you should try reading. Go back and read my original post.

reply to post by WingedBull


you mean a fellow atser giving his opinion on videos counts as evidence? oh do shutup and stop talking nonsense seriously the only people who can debunk this are people who are qualified to do so.....

reply to post by NWOnoworldorder


Look, unless you were there yourself you are only going to get one of three sources to confirm its one way or the other:

1. An online community who are interested in such things and do happen to have experts amongst its user base - but oh wait, you don't trust that as a source;
2. The MSM who just so happen to have people who are experts working with film on their payroll - oh wait, you don't trust the MSM either;
3. The original uploaders of the videos? Apparently those guys dropped off the face of the planet - gee, I wonder why?! And even if these guys do come out the woodwork and confess to hoaxing them, odds are you wont believe them and start theorizing that the NWO has them under mind control.

Your opinion is looking more and more like faith to me...

reply to post by WingedBull


perhaps you should start making sense?!

firstly stop trying to push your opinion down my throat, when u have no evidence to prove that ur opinion is fact!!

secondly stop using big words to try outsmart me because u wont...trust me.

thirdly 2 seperate incidences with the same craft on two oppisite sides of the world....coincedence??

now enough my mind wont change unless presented with evidence by A PROFFESIONAL!!

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
as for msm i dont believe anything they report unlike some on here will believe the nonsense if it agrees with their opinions!!

You know, I disagreed with you until you used double exclamation points...but now I am convinced.

You have dismissed the report because of the source; that is the height of closed-mindedness, which you seem to be very found of displaying...

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
perhaps to stop people knowing the truth they make sh** up in order to discredit the footage?...

Perhaps instead of Bulverism, you can tell us why the report is wrong and what was made-up in the report.

WingedBull don't bother replying to that guy, seriously, you're wasting your time.

@NWOnoworldorder : actually you do.

reply to post by Terrormaster


show me the credentials of the ats'ers who debunked this vid..u wait u cant as they have none!

show me where the msm has any intrest in providing us with facts an or the truth when it comes to ufos? oh wait u cant as they dont!

well we dont know where they are...perhaps they have went missing u know like whistleblowers and stuff? yea and if the appeared and sed yea it was fake then obviously id believe them.

OPINION not faith

Originally posted by BobbyTarass
WingedBull don't bother replying to that guy, seriously, you're wasting your time.

do i look like a transvestite? that guy is female
2nd

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder

perhaps you should start making sense?!

As you are unable to grasp the difference between evidence and proof, I doubt I will ever make sense to you.

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
firstly stop trying to push your opinion down my throat, when u have no evidence to prove that ur opinion is fact!!

Disagreement, no matter how vehement, is not "trying to push your opinion down someone's throat" and rather laughable that you think someone on an internet forum could do such a thing to you.

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
secondly stop using big words to try outsmart me because u wont...trust me.

Hilarious.

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
thirdly 2 seperate incidences with the same craft on two oppisite sides of the world....coincedence??

As the preponderance of evidence demonstrates the Jerusalem videos are part of a hoax, then by definition the same craft did not appear on opposite sides of the world.

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
now enough my mind wont change unless presented with evidence by A PROFFESIONAL!!

Like the professional in the CBS video you dismissed?

reply to post by WingedBull


so when it comes to cover ups and the like...do u believe what the msm tell you?...then ur a mug!
im very selective when it comes to information and trust me msm is extremely low on that list.

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
you know what makes me laugh ...is the double standards of people on here..."OH MAIN STREAM MEDIA DISINFORMANTS BLAH BLAH BLAH DONT BELIEVE WHAT THEY TELL YOU YADA YADA YADA " but when they agree with a theory or an opinion thats similar to yours ie if you are a skeptic and dont believe in ufo's then they speak the truth right? right?
joke

What makes me laugh is that both the MSM and ATS have come to the same conclusion, showing chapter and verse what was done, and people STILL hold on to the belief that it WASN'T fake. It reminds me of people who still believe in Billy Meier despite the fact that multiple researchers have:

1. Found the dinosaur picture in a book
2. Found Semjase on an old TV series
3. Found the grain can lid that is the base of the wedding cake UFO

and they STILL believe. If you want to believe in UFOs at all costs, thios is NOT the one to hang your hat on. It makes people look silly.

reply to post by WingedBull


evidence=proof

as ive sed i dont trust msm...perhaps you do thats your choice.

reply to post by WingedBull


BobbyTaras was right, don't waste your time because she will simply dismiss the evidence no matter where it comes from. As far as I can tell there isn't a source of evidence she will believe short of the videographers themselves coming out the woodwork and confessing. And IMHO I don't think she'd believe them.

reply to post by schuyler


yes and whats most likley has happened here that the news station has done zero work, popped on here and used someone elses "evidence" of it being a hoax and thought yea that will do that will fill up 5 min....

why did the msm feel the need to debunk this in the first place? and no im not gunna fall for the oh well they reported on it a few days earlier....

and why wasnt the other video of the same craft caught in the u.s debunked alongside it?