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posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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Obviously you don't know what else to INVENT about Cuba, Sorry but your socialist/communist CANADIAN professors don't know crap about Cuba, and neither do you. i still have family in Cuba including two sisters and we keep in contact constantly. I was born in Cuba, I experienced together with millions of other Cubans the DISEASE that is communism/marxism, not only do I have contact with my family in Cuba but I have visited them, and sorry to rain on your made up parade but Cubans like me know about the Cuban situation than some leftist Canadian who prefers to listen to what the dictatorship claims and what his IGNORANT professors tell him about Cuba...

BTW, you didn't know that castro is rich?...


And yes, your leftist professors are rich compared t how most Cubans are living...and it is not because of the U.S., but rather because of the disease that is communism/socialism...

We have had several threads about the bills that were passed by the progressive Democrats, and they resemble what hapens in socialist dictatorships like in Cuba.

From 12 years old and up children have to work for free for the Cuban dictatorship as "payment for education", and Cubans in the island have to keep working on these forced camps until they graduate from school or university.

In the U.S. Obama signed H.R. 1388 Link which is similar to the socialist program in Cuba. According to the bill children from secondary school have to do forced community service. If you are in college even Rham Emanuel said that every American would have to do at least 3 months of military training, and then do service every year to the government without pay. The democrats even tried to implement another bill in which children from primary school would also be forced to do this.

Obviously you really have no interest in finding the truth about Cuba, and instead you make up or believe the BS told to you by people who probably are communists and are friends of castro...


And yes, I tell you not to speak about what YOU DON'T KNOW because my family is still suffering in that hell hole you seem to claim is heaven...

The other member/staff member who responded is also Cuban, and there is a third ATS member who is also from Cuba and has corroborated what we are saying, and not the lies you keep spouting.

I provided links and evidence, and there is more than ample evidemce found online that shows what is really happening in Cuba FROM CUBANS...

But of course, a leftist CANADIAN has to claim us Cubans don't know what is happening in our island...

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posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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Obviously you don't know what else to INVENT about Cuba


The only person inventing information on Cuba is you.


Sorry but your socialist/communist CANADIAN professors don't know crap about Cuba, and neither do you


My instructors are not socialist or communist, and are professionals in the field of political science and political history. One is a nation-renouned political scientist and another was even a deputy minister with A LOT of public servant experience, even worked with a few PMs. I think their professional experience, and their ability to communicate it in a much more pleasing manner, is superior to whatever you have to say.


I was born in Cuba, I experienced together with millions of other Cubans the DISEASE that is communism/marxism


The only disease here, is the class-disease where some people can't seem to understand the concept that there are multiple ways to control the mode of production and to lead a society.


some leftist Canadian who prefers to listen to what the dictatorship claims and what his IGNORANT professors tell him about Cuba...


You sure like to judge, eh? I wouldn't call them leftist, but you seem to judge anyone with an opinion contrary to yours as "leftist", which you deem to be a "disease". Holy escapism, batman!



We have had several threads about the bills that were passed by the progressive Democrats, and they resemble what hapens in socialist dictatorships like in Cuba.


Who is "we"? What "socialist" bills are you talking about?

You mean the medicare bill that failed? That was never socialist. In fact, it was labelled as socialist by the republican right just to spite the democrats and limit their ability to do any changes to the system.

The reality of the revised bill was that it would require ALL Americans to buy medical insurance, or face heavy fines. Coming from a socialist-like medical system, I cannot even comprehend in words how horrible that proposal would become for regular Americans. All I have to do is look at the ground situation of the US, where there is at least a 20% unemployment rate, and at least 30% have to work multiple jobs just to survive, and see that most regular Americans cannot even afford basic medical coverage.

Infact, medical coverage is one of four "pillars" of the Cuban government, and all four pillars were held strong during the "special period" of the 90s. The Cuban government also managed to provide education, social security, and food handouts (Cubans lived on $2 a day due to the embargo).

The main problem that the embargo posed was that it cut off any means to acquire oil or agricultural machinery; both were supplied by the USSR. The embargo basically forced a whole new agricultural revolution in Cuba where Cubans re-learned how to sow fields with animals and started to grow gardens all over cities, including vertical gardens. Pesticides were completely remade using natural mixtures instead of chemicals.

However you don't seem to want to talk about that, because it exposes the truth that the Cubans had the will to stand united with their system when they were living in the roughest of conditions that were meant to break them. If Cubans are so oppressed, then they would've revolted during the special period. Instead, Castro's government met its obligations to provide social welfare and the Cuban people stood behind him.

So that's why I don't believe you. Perhaps you and your family might of had a bad run in with the Cuban government, but you don't speak for all of Cuba.


In the U.S. Obama signed H.R. 1388 Link which is similar to the socialist program in Cuba.


Does it now


It actually looks like something the US could use, considering the massive unemployment caused by its globalist corporations outsourcing labour to nations OTHER THAN the US, because that is the very definition of finance capitalism (the next step after industrial capitalism). This is the result of capitalism plagueing a country for too long; jobs leave the country because it is simply more cost effective for corporations to do so, and trust me, they don't give a crap about the American people because a CEO's legal obligation is to seek profit at all times.

So please tell me how it is such a bad thing for the US government to "better target and serve displaced workers"? What is your solution for solving high unemployment and poverty in the US?

Let me tell you something about the free market and command economies. In most leading countries, they implement both policies. This is because the free market is necessary for competing in an international market but at the same time, the government needs to step in to control the social aspects of the country or else capitalism goes out of control and creates vast economic disparities (just like the Great Depression).

This is all Keynes (UK) economic theory, otherwise known as Keynesism. Keynesism was the Western solution to global economic woes during the 30s, and advocated for government controls. Germany was more conservative with Von Hayek (German), who was the leading economist for the Fascist governments. He believed strongly in giving vast monopoly/oligarchy control to corporations, and even advocated corporate control of government (which, by the way, is a very definition of fascism).

Now in present day, we face a dramatic reversal in economic policies ever since Freedman (US) advocated neo-liberal policies in the 70s. Basically, he advocated that corporations should expand into global markets (finance capital), which by the way, lead to vast exploitation of third-world countries for both natural and labour resources (empiracism). Neo-liberalism swept through the US, and now the US economic policies are based off of Freedman and Von Hayek, a perfect combination for the model of global market exploitation and domination.

Other leading countries like Canada and Sweden are Keynesist (also most of the EU). We have free markets, but also a lot of government control to provide secure economies, jobs, infrastructure, welfare, etc. If you look at Sweden, the government taxes heavy while provided a lot of services for the people, like full education, health care, jobs (I heard Sweden government employs 80% of its population).

If you look at Canada, we survived pretty well off from the global recession due to the fact that we upheld the Liberal decision to regulate our national banks. This lead to our ability to recover relatively quickly compared to other top capitalist countries (like the US).

Are you telling me that these socialist policies are a disease too? Because the very reality of the situation is that if the world was all capitalist, then the US would dominate all of the world's markets and people and resources. In case you did not notice, the rest of the world looks at the US for what it is: a power-hungry, fascist empire that destroys entire nations and cultures if it is not on the same track.


If you are in college even Rham Emanuel said that every American would have to do at least 3 months of military training, and then do service every year to the government without pay.


And what is the problem with manditory conscription? It disciplines the people and sets them all on the same track. Switzerland does it. They even gives all of their soldiers their assault rifles when they leave the army, thus almost every household in Switzerland has guns and most Swiss are trained to use them. Do you know what the crime rate is there? Virtually non-existant.

Do you also know what the crime rate in the Soviet Union was? Virtually non-existant. I bet it's the same situation in Cuba too. That's what happens when you live in a disciplined society, street-crime disappears along with ignorance.

In comparison, how many women get raped on the streets in the US/Mexico/Canada? A lot. How many men get murdered or robbed? A lot. And what do cops do? Police action in the West is nothing but bureaucracy; if you aren't deemed important, then you won't see justice, and if you try to serve justice yourself, you'll end up with a worse judgement than the criminal.


And yes, I tell you not to speak about what YOU DON'T KNOW because my family is still suffering in that hell hole you seem to claim is heaven...


I never once claimed it to be heaven. Where you come up with these conclusions is beyond me.


The other member/staff member who responded is also Cuban, and there is a third ATS member who is also from Cuba and has corroborated what we are saying, and not the lies you keep spouting.


And I know lots of Cubans in real life. They are much more reliable than three posters on the internet. For all I know, you could be sitting in some comfy chair in the Pentagon writing disinformation.


I provided links and evidence, and there is more than ample evidemce found online that shows what is really happening in Cuba FROM CUBANS...


Yeah, you provided a couple of biased internet links.

Unfortunately for you, I have a hierarchy of information reliability. Sketchy info from the internet ranks much lower than professionals/historians/first hand witnesses/documents/etc, which I happen to have a lot of access to.

In fact, Cuba is discussed a lot around here, even in regular conversation among regular people.

You know why? Because Cuba is the one country that most Canadians (that I've met) identify with in terms of both of our social systems, especially healthcare and social security. So think whatever you want, but Cuba is pretty similar to Canada in some respects.

And another big deal here is nature, green technology and environmental awareness; we strive to work alongside our environment, not against it. Cuba is the leading example OF THE ENTIRE WORLD in terms of green technology and agrarian revolution.

I recommend that you watch "Cuba: The Accidental Revolution", produced by David Suzuki. He is a famous Canadian environmentalist and in this documentary, he outlines that agrarian revolution that came out of the "special period". These are things that we, as Canadians, identify with because we also strive to make our country more friendly towards nature.


But of course, a leftist CANADIAN has to claim us Cubans don't know what is happening in our island..


I don't recall ever claiming that you didn't. What I'm saying is that you are so far off from the global perception of Cuba that you're just not all that credible. This is especially true when I give lots of examples of Cuban government policies and environmental measures, and all you respond with is "you're a liar" or "you don't know anything" or "communism/socialism is a disease" and blah blah blah. I've heard all of this right-wing crap before so at least you can try to be original


EDIT: Oh, and by the way, I'm not particularly leftist either. I just happen to believe in class-less society, or at least society which is not split up by how much wealth we individually own (because there is NO fair chance in such a society to get anywhere if you start at the bottom).
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posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

The only person inventing information on Cuba is you.


Right... this coming from a Canadian who has never set foot on the island...

I posted RELIABLE links, and not the BS you claim your "guest speakers" talked about...

I posted what two models went through trying to bring out photos about slums in Cuba.

I even posted links with several videos, and documents from a Human Rights group ALL which corroborate what I am saying, yet you want to claim I, a Cuban who was born and experienced the dictatorship and who still has family in the island is lying... You sir have no morality whatsoever, and i really hope that you never find yourself in a situation like my people are going through in Cuba to then have some ignorant person who has no experience whatsoever on the topic claim that you are lying...

Are you that naive, and that self conceited that you want to claim that the millions of Cubans who have escaped from the island, and the Human Rights groups that have brought information about the situation in Cuba are all lying?...

The following is even what you can find FROM A LEFTIST SOURCE wikepedia about the situation in Cuba...


Human Rights Watch is among international human rights organizations accusing the Cuban government of systematic human rights abuses, including torture, arbitrary imprisonment, unfair trials, and extrajudicial execution (a.k.a. "El Paredón").[1][2][3]

Cuban law limits freedom of expression, association, assembly, movement, and the press. Concerns have also been expressed about the operation of due process. According to Human Rights Watch, even though Cuba, officially atheist until 1992, now "permits greater opportunities for religious expression than it did in past years, and has allowed several religious-run humanitarian groups to operate, the government still maintains tight control on religious institutions, affiliated groups, and individual believers."[1] Censorship in Cuba has also been at the center of complaints.[4][5] Most emigration is illegal. In 2010, Serbia offered to mediate between Cuba and the European Union to overcome the issue of human rights standing between them.[6]

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Political oppressionFurther information: Cuban dissidents
A Human Rights Watch 1999 report on Cuba notes:

Cubas provision regarding contempt for authority (desacato) penalizes anyone who "threatens, libels or slanders, defames, affronts (injuria) or in any other way insults (ultraje) or offends, with the spoken word or in writing, the dignity or decorum of an authority, public functionary, or his agents or auxiliaries." Such actions are punishable by three months to one year in prison, plus a fine. If the person demonstrates contempt for "the President of the Council of the State, the President of the National Assembly of Popular Power, the members of the Council of the State or the Council of Ministers, or the Deputies of the National Assembly of the Popular Power, the sanction is deprivation of liberty for one to three years.[30] ”
The Criminal Code mandates a three-month to one-year sentence for anyone who "publicly defames, denigrates, or scorns the Republics institutions, the political, mass, or social organizations of the country, or the heroes or martyrs of the nation." This sweeping provision potentially outlaws mere expressions of dissatisfaction or disagreement with government policies or practices, clearly violating free expression. The protection from insult of lifeless entities, and state-controlled institutions and organizations in particular, appears designed solely to preserve the current government's power.[size][30] ”
Like defamation of public institutions and symbols, clandestine printing appears as a crime against public order in the Criminal Code. Preserving public order does not sufficiently justify the laws extremely broad prohibition on free expression and a free press. Anyone who "produces, disseminates, or directs the circulation of publications without indicating the printer or the place where it was printed, or without following the established rules for the identification of the author or origin, or reproduces, stores, or transports" such publications, risks from three months to one year in prison.[30] ”
Cuban law defines dangerousness (el estado peligroso) as "the special proclivity of a person to commit crimes, demonstrated by conduct that is observed to be in manifest contradiction with the norms of socialist morality." ... If Cuba determines that someone is dangerous, the Criminal Code allows the state to impose "pre-criminal measures," including surveillance by the National Revolutionary Police and reeducation for periods of one to four years. The state may detain the person during this time. The law also provides for "therapeutic measures," including detention in a psychiatric hospital, that are continued "until the dangerousness disappears from the subject."80 The open-ended nature of this punishment affords the state extraordinary authority to abuse the rights of political opponents and the developmentally disabled.[31] ”


Rapid Brigades beating dissidents in 1980.Regarding institutions, the Human Rights Watch report notes that the Interior Ministry has principal responsibility for monitoring the Cuban population for signs of dissent.[32] In 1991 two new mechanisms for internal surveillance and control emerged. Communist Party leaders organized the Singular Systems of Vigilance and Protection (Sistema Unico de Vigilancia y Protección, SUVP). Rapid Action Brigades (Brigadas de Acción Rapida, also referred to as Rapid Response Brigades, or Brigadas de Respuesta Rápida) observe and control dissidents.[32] The government also "maintains academic and labor files (expedientes escolares y laborales) for each citizen, in which officials record actions or statements that may bear on the person's loyalty to the revolution. Before advancing to a new school or position, the individual's record must first be deemed acceptable".[32]
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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
My instructors are not socialist or communist, and are professionals in the field of political science and political history.


BS, if your 'professor' are claiming that Cubans like me are lying, they are nothing more than socialist scum who are in bed with the communist regime in Cuba for whatever reason...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

The only disease here, is the class-disease where some people can't seem to understand the concept that there are multiple ways to control the mode of production and to lead a society.


When the government owns EVERYTHING the people own NOTHING, which is something leftists can't seem to understand... No matter how much a government claims it will represent the people, when such a government owns EVERYTHING it can determine whatever it wants without the consent of the people... That's what happens in EVERY country that has embraced communism/socialism completely...




Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
You sure like to judge, eh? I wouldn't call them leftist, but you seem to judge anyone with an opinion contrary to yours as "leftist", which you deem to be a "disease". Holy escapism, batman!


Again, care to name their names?... All you have done is MADE CLAIMS WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE TO CORROBORATE YOUR LIES...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Who is "we"? What "socialist" bills are you talking about?


We, as in members of the website...



The House passed a bill yesterday which includes disturbing language indicating young people will be forced to undertake mandatory national service programs as fears about President Barack Obama’s promised “civilian national security force” intensify.

The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, known as the GIVE Act, was passed yesterday by a 321-105 margin and now goes to the Senate.

Under section 6104 of the bill, entitled “Duties,” in subsection B6, the legislation states that a commission will be set up to investigate, “Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

Section 120 of the bill also discusses the “Youth Engagement Zone Program” and states that “service learning” will be “a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.”
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www.infowars.com...

But i guess you are the sort of person who believes that FORCING people to do what the government wants you to do is good...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
The main problem that the embargo posed was that it cut off any means to acquire oil or agricultural machinery; both were supplied by the USSR. The embargo basically forced a whole new agricultural revolution in Cuba where Cubans re-learned how to sow fields with animals and started to grow gardens all over cities, including vertical gardens. Pesticides were completely remade using natural mixtures instead of chemicals.


What the hell are you talking about?... the only thing that the U.S.S.R. gave to Cuba was military equipment. I was in Cuba in the 70s and I remember going to the stores with my mother and seeing the stores almost empty all the time...

As a Cuban you are given a libreta, and this occurred since the beginning of the revolution, and this "libreta" would tell you what you could BUY, if you had the money and if there was anything to buy...

Every Cuban family could choose either a really bad toothpaste, or a bar of soap for a month.... Most Cubans, including my mother, would choose the bar of soap, and we would use the soap and our index finger to clean our teeth.

At the age of 7 Cuban children cannot have any milk anymore because the communist regime claims that children do not need milk once they turn 7...

If there was any meat to be bought, the libreta allowed only half a pound of meat once a month per person, if there is any to be sold...


Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
However you don't seem to want to talk about that, because it exposes the truth that the Cubans had the will to stand united with their system when they were living in the roughest of conditions that were meant to break them. If Cubans are so oppressed, then they would've revolted during the special period. Instead, Castro's government met its obligations to provide social welfare and the Cuban people stood behind him.


Cubans don't revolt en mass simply because they don't have the means to do so... they can't buy a machete, or a gun, or firearm in their nearest walmart...

People also don't revolt because any attempt to organize is met with violence from the government...


This is even done in Cuban embassies by Cuban thugs against reporters such as...


Reporters Without Borders protesters beaten up by Cuban embassy officials

Reporters Without Borders, April 24, 2003.

Reporters Without Borders activists were beaten by staff of the Cuban embassy in Paris today when they chained themselves to the embassy railings in the presence of several prominent cultural figures to protest against the imprisonment of 26 journalists in Cuba.

A dozen Reporters Without Borders protesters were attacked by Cuban embassy staff today after the ambassador refused to accept a letter demanding the release of 26 journalists recently imprisoned for up to 27 years. Cuba has now overtaken Eritrea, Burma and China as the world's biggest prison for journalists.

After the refusal, the protesters chained shut the entrances to the embassy and handcuffed themselves to the railings outside. Embassy staff then beat up the organisation's secretary-general, Robert Ménard, and the head of its Latin America desk, Régis Bourgeat.

The demonstrators wore masks and t-shirts bearing pictures of the journalists and carried two banners, one reading "Cuba = prison" and the other showing a quote by one of the jailed journalists, Raúl Rivero, saying : "I don't plot, I write."

www.cubanet.org...


Cuban Officials Named in Protest Beatings
Insight on the News, May 29, 2000 by J. Michael Waller, Jamie Dettmer

12Next ..A study of photographs of the April 14 attack on demonstrators supporting Elian Gonzalez reveals the identities of the Cuban "diplomats" who barged out of their compound in downtown Washington and took part in the unprovoked assault.

Two weeks ago, news alert! cited U.S. Secret Service and Washington Metropolitan Police Department reports about how the Cuban officials planned and carried out the beatings of men and women who had gathered outside the Cuban Interests Section at the Swiss Embassy in downtown Washington (see "Cuban Diplomats Fight `Hand-to-Hand Combat' Against Demonstrators" Insight Webwire, April 21). News alert! since has learned the identities of the Cuban officials involved in the unprovoked assault. They are: Alfredo Borden Diaz, Armando Collazo Iglesias, Raul Colominas Martinez, Frank Diaz Diaz, Luis Fernandez Rodriguez, Guillermo Gonzales Fernandez, Carlo Marin Maning, Eugenio Martinez Enriquez, Sergio Martinez Gonzalez, Joel Marrero Enrique, Fernando Perez Maza, Alejandro Pila Alonzo, Damian Ravelo Avila, Roberto Pupo Alfero, Osara Para Morales, Solodad Puig Fernandez, Beatriz Romani Bendig, Gustavo Machin Gomez.
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Ignorant people like yourself who have no idea of what has been happening in Cuba yet proclaim that Cubans like me are lying don't know that in order to have a job in Cuba you must belong to the communist party, since ALL jobs are owned by the communist regime...

Whenever there are, or were speeches by castro EVERYONE from the surrounding areas were FORCED to leave their jobs and participate in favor any pro-castro march, or just to listen to "castro"...

The job of managers of the jobs was to make sure people attended to such speeches, and no one did or say anything against the regime of castro. If you do you lose your job, you get harrassed by castro's thugs, and could even end up in jail if you keep talking about freedom for Cubans... which keeps happening to this day...

Even children are rounded up from nearby schools and taken to watch "el presidente" or any government backed march...

If they see any children who do not root for "el presidente" this goes into the archive of such student and if it keeps happening they investigate the family to see why the child, or children are not rooting for castro's repressive regime...

If the castro's thugs find that the parents do not show an ardent love for castro the children are taken away to indoctrination camps and the parents may never see their children again.

The same thing happens if parents try to stop the castro thugs from taking their children every summer to work in forced labor camps every summer...

There is a law implemented by the communist regime that if parents stop children from becoming good communists the government takes away the children.


The 1976 Constitution of the Republic of Cuba is resolved to build socialism and, led by the Communist Party, to build a communist society. In Article 6, the Union of Communist Youths is exclusively recognized by the State "to promote the active participation of the juvenile masses in the tasks of the socialist construction" of society. Under Article 38, the parents have the "duty" to "actively contribute to their childrens education and the integral formation as useful citizens including preparations for life in socialist society." Article 39 mandates that the States control of cultural and educational policy be based on "Marxist ideals" and again on the "communist formation" of youth. Article 62 criminalizes resistance or opposition to these edicts stating clearly that "no rights granted by this constitution and the laws can be exercised against the existence of and objectives of the communist state. The infraction of this article is punishable."

Blas Roca, Secretary General of the Communist Party, as President of the National Assembly, oversaw the passage of the Code of the Child and Youth. Law No.16, of June 28 1978 which comprises the body of Cuban law that regulates the lives of children and youth, specifies that personality must change, any influence contrary to communism must be combated, and school admission is predicated on political attitude. More specifically, Title II, Article 3 states, "The communist formation of the young generation is a valued aspiration of the State, the family, the teachers, the political organizations, and the mass organizations that act in order to foster in the youth the ideological values of communism." In Article 5, the society and the State watch to "ascertain that all persons who come in contact with the child during his educational process constitute an example for the development of communist personality." In Article 8, the society and the State "work for the efficient protection of youth against all influences contrary to their communist formation." In Article 9, "Educators have a high mission in the development of the communist personality." Title III, Article 23 determines whether a student may attain a higher level of education based on his adherence to communist doctrines and states, "Upon completion of primary schooling, young people may continue their education at pre-university centers, vocational schools, or other specialized schools, on the basis of their academic achievement, political attitude and social conduct." Title IV, Article 68 describes how "Children and young people prepare" for military education and active military service by subscribing to ideological indoctrination referred to as the "principles of proletarian internationalism and combative solidarity."

To insure no deviation from Marxist dictates a "cumulative dossier" is compiled for each student wherein his political attitude is recorded. You merits and demerits are minutely recorded and form the basis for your opportunities to obtain a higher education. This is persecution pure and simple and on a daily basis. Persecution is a recognized basis for asylum.
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www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
So that's why I don't believe you. Perhaps you and your family might of had a bad run in with the Cuban government, but you don't speak for all of Cuba.


BS, all you have done is make false claims and talked about some "dellusional guest commentators", you have provided no evidence whatsoever for your LIES. I presented several links, including from international Human Right Groups which disagree with your false claims...

We even had another Cuban-American try to "educate you' on the realities of Cuba, yet you keep claiming we are lying...

You sir, and every other ignorant person who like you loves to claim that Cubans who have escaped are lying about the situation in Cuba SHOULD BE ASHAMED... but of course you are not...you are spouting the lies of the communist regime most probably either because you are a leftist bordering on communist, or because you have business in Cuba and the situation there benefits you...

Your country does a lot of business with Cuba, the same has happened with many European countries, yet NOT ONE RED CENT goes has gone to help Cubans... All you people do is make sure the communist dictatorship stays in the island repressing MY FAMILY AND PEOPLE...






Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Does it now


It actually looks like something the US could use, considering the massive unemployment caused by its globalist corporations outsourcing labour to nations OTHER THAN the US, because that is the very definition of finance capitalism (the next step after industrial capitalism). This is the result of capitalism plagueing a country for too long; jobs leave the country because it is simply more cost effective for corporations to do so, and trust me, they don't give a crap about the American people because a CEO's legal obligation is to seek profit at all times.


Oh right, i see now why you claim i am lying about Cuba.... You obviously seem to think it is good and dandy to FORCE people to do everything the government wants... Silly me...




Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
So please tell me how it is such a bad thing for the US government to "better target and serve displaced workers"? What is your solution for solving high unemployment and poverty in the US?


My solutions would not include FORCING children and adults to do Community Service... That does not solve any "poverty" but since you seem to love so much the communist regime in Cuba i can see why you would love such dictatorship taking place...



Obama Youth Brigades: Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act HR 1388
The GIVE (Up Your Freedoms) Act is Forced Conscription

Our lovely, power-hungry, Federal government is up to it again. The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, or, H.R. 1388 is nothing short of forced conscription of our children, into service to the government, no matter how you slice it. Not only is the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, or HR 1388 mandatory forced involuntary servitude to an ever-increasingly oppressive American government, anyone forced into the coming government re-education program is losing all of their First Amendment rights to boot.

Let me be clear on something with all of you: I'm not pissed about this program because it's Obama's program. I'm pissed off because it's wrong! I don't care if Bush would've tried it. I don't care if McCain would've tried it. I don't care if it's a Sarah Palin project. Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act HR1388 is just tyranny in the making. It smacks so much of the Hitler Youth Brigades that my stomach is turning.

For those of you not familiar with this here it is: On March 18, Rep. George Miller, a Democrat hailing from California, attached an amendment onto H.R. 1388, that was titled "Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act," or G.I.V.E., Obamas made plans to require mandatory service for all able young people. Representative Millers amendment will "prohibit organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing," according to www.GovTrack.us. (H.Amdt. 49)

The program will not only force our young ones into involuntary servitude, it will also ultimately strip millions of young Americans of the rights to protest, affect legislation, or even their basic freedom of speech. If this doesnt disturb you as an American, as a human, then youre a brain-dead slave to the state already...plain and simple.
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www.associatedcontent.com...




Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

And I know lots of Cubans in real life. They are much more reliable than three posters on the internet. For all I know, you could be sitting in some comfy chair in the Pentagon writing disinformation.


BS, the only Cubans you know are "gusanos del gobierno" "government worms." There are tons upon tons of information including from Human Right Groups which clearly show you are spouting nothing more than communist propaganda...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Yeah, you provided a couple of biased internet links.


Right, so Human Right groups, and CUBANS who have experienced life on the island are not telling the truth?...

For crying out loud are you listening to yourself?... How can you make such claims when you have no real life experience on what has been happening in Cuba?...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Unfortunately for you, I have a hierarchy of information reliability. Sketchy info from the internet ranks much lower than professionals/historians/first hand witnesses/documents/etc, which I happen to have a lot of access to.


Unfortunately for me?... No, the only unfortunate people are Cubans who keep living under such repression because ignorant people such as you love to claim that "leftist guest commentators, and people who have never lieved in Cuba as Cubans know better than Cubans what is happening there"...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
In fact, Cuba is discussed a lot around here, even in regular conversation among regular people.


Care to show what members, and from where they are from who keep aggreing with the lies and pro-communist propaganda you keep posting?...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
You know why? Because Cuba is the one country that most Canadians (that I've met) identify with in terms of both of our social systems, especially healthcare and social security. So think whatever you want, but Cuba is pretty similar to Canada in some respects.


Wow, you sir are sure ignorant about what has been happening in Cuba, and about "Cuba's healthcare system"...

I happen to have two uncles who are Cuban doctors, and my parents and I to this day still have to send medicine to my family in Cuba because they are not found in Cuban pharmacies... Doctors in Cuba, in regular hospitals, do not even have the essentials, such as alcohol, rubber gloves, and a lot of Cubans go home with an aspirin, if there are any,

Tu hablas español? o tampoco hablas el lenguage de mi isla?...

Here is a video, among many others, of the reality of Cuban hospitals.

The following video shows the truth about REGULAR HOSPITALS IN CUBA, and not the lies of Michael Moore who filmed in a hospital which is only for tourists, and for the Cuban elites...

WARNING, SOME OF THE IMAGES ARE VERY GRAPHIC...

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

In the following video you can see the conditions that Cubans have to endure, and even one of the patients is dead.

If you know so much about Cuba I am sure you understand Spanish right?... i mean to claim that you, and your lefitst "guest speakers" know so much about Cuba you have to understand Spanish, so here are some videos in Spanish of what really is happening in Cuban hospitals...

www.youtube.com...

Cuban healthcare system "foreigners vs regular Cubans...

www.youtube.com...

Here is another website which has real videos of Cuba's hospitals.

therealcuba.com...

You sir have no idea of what you talk about, and you have the galls to claim that Cubans know less than you as to what happens there...





Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

And another big deal here is nature, green technology and environmental awareness; we strive to work alongside our environment, not against it. Cuba is the leading example OF THE ENTIRE WORLD in terms of green technology and agrarian revolution.


Really?... Cuba, where most Cubans are going hungry is a leading example of green technological achievement?... I would be sad if that wasn't so funny...

Care to provide EVIDENCE to your claim?...




Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I recommend that you watch "Cuba: The Accidental Revolution", produced by David Suzuki. He is a famous Canadian environmentalist and in this documentary, he outlines that agrarian revolution that came out of the "special period". These are things that we, as Canadians, identify with because we also strive to make our country more friendly towards nature.


Right...another ignorant Canadian who doesn't know what the hell he is talking about and is in cahoots with the Cuban communist system...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

What I'm saying is that you are so far off from the global perception of Cuba that you're just not all that credible. This is especially true when I give lots of examples of Cuban government policies and environmental measures, and all you respond with is "you're a liar" or "you don't know anything" or "communism/socialism is a disease" and blah blah blah. I've heard all of this right-wing crap before so at least you can try to be original


Global perception agrees with you?... Are you insane or do you suffer from some mental illness?...

EVERY Human Right Group DISAGREES WITH YOUR FALSE CLAIMS....


World Report 2011: Cuba
Cuba remains the only country in Latin America that represses virtually all forms of political dissent. In 2010 the government continued to enforce political conformity using criminal prosecutions, beatings, harassment, denial of employment, and travel restrictions.

www.hrw.org...

Human Right Groups ARE NOT ALLOWED IN CUBA simply because the lies would be clearly exposed, instead Human Right groups depend on Cubans from inside the island, and dissidents who escaped the communist regime like myself and who have provided videos, and facts about what has been happening in Cuba...

Amnesty international:...

[ex]There is no Amnesty International presence in this country
Amnesty International does not currently have a presence in this country.

www.amnesty.org...

But this is also what Amnesty international has to say about Cuba.


Cuba marks Human rights day with mass detentions and sentences for dissidents

Amnesty International. Publish date: 14/12/2000

"The mass detention of dissidents and political opponents in the weeks around the 52nd anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights indicates a continued disrespect by the Cuban authorities towards several of the fundamental freedoms enshrined in the Declaration," Amnesty International said today. "Although the number of prisoners of conscience in Cuba appears to have dropped slightly during 2000, these events clearly demonstrate the governments will to suppress attempts to exercise the rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."

Up to 200 people believed to be involved in the planning of anti-government demonstrations or marches for Human Rights Day on 10 December were rounded up and held in custody in order to prevent them from participating in 'counter-revolutionary' activities. Although most of those arrested were released after being held for periods of up to 48 hours, four people remained in detention yesterday evening, two of whom had already been tried and sentenced.

Angel Moya Acosta and Julia Cecilia Delgado were tried this week in separate proceedings for "disrespect" after being detained in the mass arrests. They were each sentenced to a year in prison. Angel Moya Acosta has also been banned from travelling to Havana, where his wife and children live, for ten years. The speed with which they were charged, brought to trial and sentenced gives Amnesty International cause for concern that the proceedings might not have met international standards for fair trial. The organization believes that they may be prisoners of conscience.

The organisation is also concerned for Leonardo Bruzón Avila and Marcos Lázaro Torres León, who were reportedly still held in detention without charge more than 10 days after their arrest in the context of the recent mass detentions.

Background

A number of prominent dissidents have been in detention since October on charges related to their criticism of the Cuban government, including Carlos Oquendo Rodríguez, Jose Aguilar Hernández and Pedro Pablo Alvarez Ramos.

Angel Moya Acosta was declared a prisoner of conscience by Amnesty International following his arrest on 10 December 1999 for participating in a peaceful demonstration in Matanzas province to celebrate the 51st anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Although he was charged with "resistance", public disorder, and "instigation to commit a crime", he was freed on 7 August without ever being tried.

www2.fiu.edu...


Dissidents in Cuba lose their jobs, and are constantly harrassed by Cuban thugs who work for the government. These people have to live with their families and lose all future prospects for jobs for trying to fight for freedom in Cuba. This among the fat that Cubans do not have firearms, are two of the main reasons why Cubans don't revot en mass... Many Cubans do not want to lose their jobs even to fight for freedom... Yet ignorant people like yourself like to claim that us CUBANS are ignorant of what has been happening in the island?... You sir can go and hide under the stone where you crawled out of...




Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

EDIT: Oh, and by the way, I'm not particularly leftist either. I just happen to believe in class-less society, or at least society which is not split up by how much wealth we individually own (because there is NO fair chance in such a society to get anywhere if you start at the bottom).


....Yet you are backing a corrupt communist regime that has had my family and most Cuban people opressed for decades...and to top it off you claim that you, and your ignorant guest speakers know better than CUBANS what has been happening in Cuba...



posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 04:00 PM
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Man, you have some serious issues with discussing things on the internet. Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean in every one of your sentences you need to call me or my associates "liars" or "socialist scum" claiming "BS". I don't even type in such a hostile tone, and I don't see why I need to be treated like an idiot just because I'm posting on a message board on the internet.

Maybe you need to realize that you don't speak for Cuba. You are entitled to your opinion, but that's your opinion. I've met a lot of people from Cuba, even people from international organizations who have been there during the harshest of times, and you're telling a vastly different story than they are.

I don't see why you need to come off screaming just because you don't like what I'm typing. I am thoroughly convinced that, just by the tone of your posts, that you have some serious agenda against Cuba.

That's your problem, not mine. So deal with it. If you want to have a discussion with me, then lose your freaking attitude please, unless you want a similar attitude from me, and I'm sure the ATS staff will not be happy with it.

PS: When a government controls everything, then it is a dictatorship. When a government represents the people, that is democracy. When everything is publically owned, then it is owned by the people and organized by the government, called socialism. As you can see, democracy is a characteristic of socialism. Democracy is also a characteristic of a true communist state too, since the population chooses who they want to represent them on all regional levels.



posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Man, you have some serious issues with discussing things on the internet. Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean in every one of your sentences you need to call me or my associates "liars" or "socialist scum" claiming "BS". I don't even type in such a hostile tone, and I don't see why I need to be treated like an idiot just because I'm posting on a message board on the internet.


I have issues with people such as yourself claiming that us Cubans are lying and that only you know the truth. Perhaps you would be even more vocal if you had sisters, a grandmother and other family members living under a reppressive regime and some ignorant person is claiming you are lying and that person is spouting the communist propaganda...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Maybe you need to realize that you don't speak for Cuba. You are entitled to your opinion, but that's your opinion. I've met a lot of people from Cuba, even people from international organizations who have been there during the harshest of times, and you're telling a vastly different story than they are.


Obviously you don't seem to understand that i am not the only Cuban who says these things about what happens in Cuba... We are millions, living all over the world now... Do a search online on "Cuban truth about Cuba" or even in spanish "Cubano, la verdad about Cuba" and see how many hits you get...

Many Cubans from inside the island have also been trying to show the world what really happens in Cuba, but it is because of people like YOU who decide to believe the lies from the communist regime that the truth about Cuba is not known by a lot of people...




Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I don't see why you need to come off screaming just because you don't like what I'm typing. I am thoroughly convinced that, just by the tone of your posts, that you have some serious agenda against Cuba.


Are you insane?... Let me try to see if you can process the following analogy...

Would you ask a Jewish couple who escaped from the Nazis why they would be so against the Nazis and against National Socialism?... And then would you claim that because this Jewish couple are not saying good things about Nazis that they must have some agenda?...


Do you comprehend what you are trying to claim?...

BTW, my caps are not screaming, but rather to bring some attention to the truth...

If you want to know why some people such as me would be so ardent in our telling of the truth, perhaps you would understand it if you had lived through such a hell hole, still have family living in it, and you had to respond to ignorant people who claim that you are lying and only them and "guest speakers", all who are foreigners who have never lived or experience life as a regular citizen in said country, want to claim that they know what is happening in the country better than the people from said country and who experienced such a regime ...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
That's your problem, not mine. So deal with it. If you want to have a discussion with me, then lose your freaking attitude please, unless you want a similar attitude from me, and I'm sure the ATS staff will not be happy with it.


If you actually think my response is bad try coming to Miami and shouting "viva fidel" and see what happens...

BTW, don't even dare to make the ignorant claim the Cubans in Miami are "paid propagandists"...


On several occasions you claimed that projectvxn, other Cubans and I are lying, you did so not presenting ANY evidence whatsoever but your claims that "you heard some guest speakers in Canada talk about Cuba"... We tried to inform you yet you continued claiming we are lying about what has been happening in Cuba, and you kept on making more, and more lies about us yet you don't see why I would respond in such ardent manner?...





Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
PS: When a government controls everything, then it is a dictatorship. When a government represents the people, that is democracy. When everything is publically owned, then it is owned by the people and organized by the government, called socialism. As you can see, democracy is a characteristic of socialism. Democracy is also a characteristic of a true communist state too, since the population chooses who they want to represent them on all regional levels.


For crying out loud... First of all, a Democracy is nothing but mob rule, where 51% of the people can take away the rights of the other 49%... Since in most countries most governments do not supress the minorities such countries are not real democracies. As an example the United States is a Representative Republic, and the forefathers in the United States knew that democracies become dictatorships with majority rule, hence they implemented the Electoral College in our voting process so the majority would not rule over the minority...

Second of all, in EVERY country where socialism rules there is a small group of people who are in control of EVERYTHING the government controls, and whether this small group of people claim or not that they represent the people, the truth is that they do not...

Under communism the communist ideals matter more than ANYTHING ELSE, even above the well being of the people, so all money and resources are put to use to keep the communist ideals alive, even if it costs the life or suffering of the people...

Under communism individuality and individual rights don't exist simply because the communist ideals are above and beyond the rights of the people, which is why there is ALWAYS oppression under socialist dictatorships.


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