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Man says ex-CIA agent Posada gave him explosives for hotel bombing

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posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by purplemer
i dont know how america tollerates having the cia. it looks from the outside world as a terrorist orginasation.

kx


Because they are now a nation based on hypocrisy. WWII ended with an empirical power vacuum; The US was one of the two vying to be a world empire, and their instrument was the CIA. The Soviet Empire failed because it was multicultural, the American system works only because they believe in only one culture, and kill all others who disagree.




posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
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Do you people even understand who you are believing?... You all are so blind in your hatred against the U.S., and the CIA, that you all are willing to believe the claims made by castro's regime... The same regime that has had an entire nation under a communist dictatorship for over 52 years, and this same communist regime exported terrorism to every country it could...

Did not one of you stop to think that the whole Posada affair is nothing more than a disinformation campaign from a communist dictatorship?.... Naaa....

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here is just one example from a list of cia atrocities. this would not be out of charcter for the cia. check the link below.
It is nothing to do with hatred of america. i think the usa was built on some very strong principals. If i critise it is in the hope that things can be done better.



Iran – CIA overthrows the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK, is as brutal as the Gestapo.


www.sodahead.com...



posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by harrytuttle
They only gave him $2000 to commit a terrorist attack?!? LOL


The CIA is obviously hiring total idiots - who in their right (and greedy and murderous) mind would agree to such a dangerous mission for a measly $2000?

Something doesn't add up here. Either that guy is a complete moron, and the CIA is getting people to commit false flag terror for bargain basement prices, or ....something else entirely.

I'm not commenting on the legitimacy of the man's claims but $2000 is nearly 2 yrs wage for the average employee in el Salvador



posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Yeah, you just lost a lot of credibility there, imo


Really?... Oh yeah I forgot, if you are a Cuban who was born in Cuba, and lived the communist dictatorship, like I did, and if you have family in Cuba, like I have, people like yourself, mostly westerners who have never set foot in Cuba or lived as a Cuban, love to claim that CUBANS don't have any credibility...


I forget, people like myself who tell the truth about Cuba are propagandist CIA agents to ignorant people like yourself... I heard it before, and like always these are nothing more than the ignorant claims from people who don't know jack about Cuba, or the communist regime, except what castro and his regime claims is happening in Cuba...

People like yourself have no idea that everything you think you know about Cuba is propaganda made by a communist regime that has been using terror for over 52 years to keep people trapped in a system that DOESN'T WORK...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Cuba is a corrupt commie dictatorship? Actually, they happen to be a nationalist Cuban government based on Marxist ideology, and they've managed to survive through extreme economic hardships, terrorism and outright invasion attempts, all directed by the West.


For crying out loud... First of all the "extreme economic hardships' were brought by the Marxist ideology... THE SAME that has happened to every country and people that willingly or unwillingly embraced, or were forced to embrace the Marxist ideology...

Several of my uncles, and other family members were sent overseas to places like Angola to "spread communism" and the "Marxist ideology" people like you seem to love...

The United States and some other countries had to try to stop the spread of the DISEASE that is Marxist/Leninist ideology...

Yes, the communist regime in Cuba, and EVERY DAMN COMMUNIST REGIME AROUND THE WORLD are corrupt and do nothing but bring terror, suffering and death to the very same people the ideology claims to serve...

My family and I LIVED and EXPERIENCED the Marxist ideology you seem to love so much and which is fact does nothing but bring suffering, and death to people and entire nations...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Oh, and they do have regular elections to. You either vote for the system, or you don't.


What the hell do you know about the "regular elections in Cuba"?.... The elections in Cuba are rigged in favor of the communist system, and the castro brothers to remain in power, but westerners like yourself who know nothing about Cuba like to proclaim the lies told by the communist regime...
EVERY CUBAN in the island or who has been able to escape the communist dictatorship knows this, but westerners like yourself LOVE to claim you know better than us CUBANS what has been happening there...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
So far, it's maintained at least a 90% support rate. So dock it all you want, but I'm sure that American school textbooks declare Cuba to be some evil commie dictatorship that suppresses its people.


Is that why in every neighborhood the system has spies so people cannot gather to speak against the communist regime and in favor of freedom?...

Is that why the regime has HIRED THUGS to beat on men, women and children who DARE speak against the communist dictatorship and in favor of FREEDOM?....

Is that why most real artists, writers, and advocates of freedom are in prison in Cuba?...

Is that why the communist regime does not allow ANY independent Human Rights group to enter Cuba to find out what is really happening there?...

You sir have shown nothing but IGNORANCE about what is happening, and has happened in Cuba...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
The reality is that the US has been trying to crush them for 52 years ever since they revolted against exploitation of their entire population from both American government and mafia interests.


BS... the communist regime has been doing very well by itself crushing us Cubans for over 52 years meanwhile castro and his thugs got richer and richer...

Exploitation is when Cuban children of around 12 years of age are taken, without the permission of their parents, to work camps every summer and forcing them to gather products which would be sold to other countries, or to "force' communism in other parts of the world...

You have no idea the working conditions that children are exposed in the summer forced work camps...

Not to mention the indoctrinations, and lies which us Cubans are exposed to and which the castro regime has been forcing on us Cubans...

Exploitation is that in Cuba there is more than enough land to plant food and feed EVERY Cuban, yet the regime FORCES farmers to plant products which will be sold to other countries to keep the communist regime afloat, and to keep Cubans under the communist dictatorship...




Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
The very fact that Cuba's intervention that fended off the South African apartheid invasion of Angola scared the Americans (who support apartheid dictatorships like South Africa and Israel), and thus the US promised to never cut off the trade emargo with Cuba until there is anti-Cuban reform there.


For crying out loud, the communist regime sent Cuban soldiers to Angola, and other countries to SPREAD TERRORISM... My own uncles remember well the attrocities they had to commit for the communist ideology you seem to love so much but really have no idea about...

The embargo against the Cuban REGIME has been there to weaken the REGIME...

There is enough land in Cuba to feed the entire population, but most fields are used only to plant sugar, tobacco and other materials which the regime of castro sells to western nations like Canada...

Ignorant people like yourself love to point at the U.S. embargo and claim it is the reason for MY FAMILY AND PEOPLE's suffering when the fact is that the communist regime has had business with several nations but EVERY SINGLE PENNY goes to keep the communist regime alive and keep MY FAMILY AND PEOPLE under a corrupt system that DOES NOT WORK...

Heck even castro told EVERYONE that the communist system is not working...


Fidel Castro says his economic system is failingFormer Cuban president says state-run model 'doesn't even work for us' in offhand remark to US journalist Jeffrey Goldberg

www.guardian.co.uk...

He comes to realize this after puting us through hell for over 52 years with a system that simply DOES NOT WORK...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
How bloody convenient that after a major earthquake in Haiti, the US promises to send millions in aid, but instead sends thousands of soldiers "for security and humanitarian efforts". Let's look at a map:


What the hell are you about now?...

Are you not aware that there is a PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT president and administration in power?...

Didn't you know that according to the CURRENT U.S. administration "if you fear communism you are a rightwing extremist and possible terrorist"?...


Janet Napolitano is lying to the American people when she says the Report is not based on ideology or political beliefs. In fact, her report would have the admiration of the Gestapo and any current or past dictator in the way it targets political opponents. This incompetently written intelligence assessment, which directs law enforcement officials across the country to target and report on American citizens who have the political beliefs mentioned in the report, will be used as a tool to stifle political opposition and opinions. It will give a pretext for opponents of those Americans to report them to police as rightwing extremists and terrorists. You can imagine what happens then.

The Report specifically mentions the following political beliefs that law enforcement should use to determine whether someone is arightwing extremist”:

•Opposes restrictions on firearms
•Opposes lax immigration
•Opposes the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship, and the expansion of social programs
•Opposes continuation of free trade agreements
•Opposes same-sex marriage
•Has paranoia of foreign regimes
Fear of Communist regimes
•Opposes one world government
•Bemoans the decline of U.S. stature in the world.
•Upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India
. . . and the list goes on.


www.aim.org...

Yet you are BLOODY claiming the U.S. is planning an invasion of Cuba?...





Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
You accuse Cuba of being a dictatorship for 52 years? They've done nothing but survive for 52 years from brutal American "diplomacy"! Under crushing economic conditions following the collapse of the Soviet bloc, they turned cities into gardens, they changed harmful chemical into effective and natural pesticides for farming, they re-learned how to use animals for agriculture instead of thousands of tractors and machinery supplied from the Soviets.


What the hell?... I do more than accuse the communist regime in power in Cuba of being a dictatorship for 52 years, I lived, experienced and saw what the communist regime has done...

You sir are nothing but an ignorant parrot of the Cuban regime, because EVERYTHING you claim is nothing more than the lies the communist regime sells to ignorant people such as yourself.

The land in Cuba is mostly owned by the communist regime, and even the few acres of land that people have they must supply, and farm WHAT THE REGIME WANTS...not what the people need or want...

The gardens that you speak of are TRASH... There are mountains of trash in EVERY neighborhood in EVERY corner.... Are those the "gardens" you are talking about?....


The only places that are well taken care of are for TOURISTS to give more money to the FAILED communist regime...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
They've achieved so many necessary things that we need to understand in order to treat our freaking planet with the respect it deserves, instead of raping and engineering it like in the US, AND YOU SAY CUBA IS WRONG?!


Have you EVER set foot in Cuba and seen the REGULAR CUBAN NEIGHBORHOODS?.... Obviously you haven't.

Behind my grandmother's house, there is a river that is FULL of trash. Most of the real Cuba look like India...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
That's 638 CIA assassination attempts on Castro's life. All have failed.


And castro sucessfully assesinated JFK...


JFK Assassination
Did Castro Kill Kennedy?
By Michael Scott Moore in Berlin

A new documentary slated to run on German TV this Friday uncovers new evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered President Kennedy on behalf of the regime of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro. The film also claims that the KGB recommended Oswald to Havana as the man for the job.
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www.spiegel.de...

castro sent Cuban soldiers, including members of my family to fight in foregin countries to FORCE communism, not to mention the terrorist groups that castro has funded ALL OVER THE WORLD...


PART I:
CASTRO AND TERRORISM 1959-2001, A CHRONOLOGY

A CHRONOLOGY by Eugene Pons,
with a foreword by Jaime Suchlicki,
Institute for Cuban & Cuban-American Studies Occasional Paper Series September 2001
FOREWORD
Since 1948 when, as a young student, Fidel Castro participated in the violence that rocked Colombian
society and distributed anti-U.S. propaganda, he has been guided by two objectives: a commitment to violence and
a virulent anti-Americanism. His struggle since and his
forty-two years rule in Cuba have been characterized primarily by these goals.

In the 1960's Castro and his brother, Raul, believed that the political and economic conditions that produced their revolution existed in Latin America and that anti-American revolutions would occur throughout the continent. Cuban agents and diplomats established contact with revolutionary, terrorist and guerrilla groups in the area and began distributing propaganda, weapons and aid. Many Latin Americans were brought to Cuba for training and then returned to their countries.

At the Tricontinental Conference held in Havana in 1966 and attended by revolutionary leaders from throughout the world, Castro insisted that bullets not ballots was the way to achieve power and provided the institutional means to promote his anti-American, violent line. He insisted that "conditions exist for an armed revolutionary struggle" and criticized those who opposed armed struggle, including some Communist leaders in Latin America, as "traitorous, rightists, and deviationists."
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www.cartadecuba.org...




Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
And what of the Cuban Six? These were six Cuban intel agents sent to Florida, ONLY to observe American terrorist elements planning to attack Cuba. They are still in American maximum security for terrorism charges. All the while, the CIA attempts to conduct terrorism against Cuba to topple the will of its people and to kill of their leadership.


BULL S#!7... Cuban spies have spied and taken classified, and secret information to castro's regime, they have been introducing propaganda (which obviously ignorant people like yourself love to believe), and lies getting into positions like teachers, and even have infiltrated government positions, not to mention they have committed terrorist acts in the U.S., including murdering Cuban-Americans in the U.S. such as the pilots of "Hermanos al rescate" who were ONLY trying to save Cuban "balseros" and were flying on CIVILIAN aircraft trying to HELP people and castro ordered their murder...


Accessory to murder?
The killing of four Cuban-American private rescue pilots by Fidel Castro's air force has provoked official, after-the-fact outrage from the U.S. government. But under-oath testimony shows that government officials knew Cuban MiGs were bearing down on the Cessna pilots; they did nothing. American interceptors were ready for takeoff; they were left on the runway. The pilots could have been warned; they weren't. The government's response: "A poor assumption." What happened in the crucial moments before the fatal shootdown? The details are "classified." But there's enough information available to suggest, at best, a government conspiracy of silence. | Mindy Belz
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www.worldmag.com...


Not to mention other crimes such as...


The Castro Mafia’s ties to Medicare Fraud in Florida
By Alberto de la Cruz, on January 20, 2011, at 1:59 pm
Vanessa Lopez from UM's Institute for Cuban and Cuban American Studies (ICCAS) has an excellent exposé on the possible ties the criminal Castro mafia may have with the disproportionately high incidence of Medicare fraud cases in Florida.

The Cuban Government and Multi-Million Dollar Medicare Fraud in South Florida
The dilapidated state of the Cuban economy has left the Cuban government scrambling for ways to obtain hard currency. Cuba has contrived ways to benefit from leasing doctors, nurses, teachers, and security agents abroad; more recently, Cuba has also found ways to capitalize on large-scale Medicare fraud, possibly committing economic warfare on the United States.
Medicare fraud is one of the highest dollar volume crimes in the United States. In October of 2009, it was estimated that such fraud has reached $60 billion a year. (1) And South Florida has become the epicenter of this federal crime.
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cubaindependiente.blogspot.com...




Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

The only dictatorship here is the USA.


Oh yeah, the U.S. is being turned into ANOTHER LEFTIST dictatorship....

Apart from that you sir have no idea of what you are talking about when it concerns Cuba, and what has been happening there...



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posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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For your information, I have never personally been to Cuba yet. However, I am in league with a few people who have been there many times to study the reality of the situation down there.

This leads me to believe that you're assessment is BS in its entirety.


Oh yeah, the U.S. is being turned into ANOTHER LEFTIST dictatorship....


So uneducated... The US has already been couped in 2001, and is now fascist. That's as far right as you can get, but I'm sure you can't see that in your own country where you media attacks itself for being too "left" or too "right" when it is really just one big puppet show designed to mislead the masses.

People who believe the US is turning "left" or socialist are laughable. They know nothing about political science and watch too much American media, which is pure garbage.

So please, continue with your assessment on how Cuba is so wrong, based on the view that the US is "turning into a leftist dictatorship"



What the hell do you know about the "regular elections in Cuba"?....


Well first off, I've studied it in university. Here, we study it from a neutral view that involves studying both Cuba's assessment of itself and foreign assessments of it, including those from the far right in the US.

Oh, and on top of that we've also had plenty of guest lecturers that have done lots of humanitarian work there, and their assessment is far greater than yours.


My family and I LIVED and EXPERIENCED the Marxist ideology you seem to love so much and which is fact does nothing but bring suffering, and death to people and entire nations...


Marxism brings suffering?

Are you so blind?

Marxism is mindset to understand society as being controlled by the means of production. The only suffering is caused by capitalist forces, led by the rich, who fear the impoverished of the world gaining any power or credibility. Maybe you should study south American history, and see how many millions have died from CIA operations there (hint: it's over 5 million).


For crying out loud, the communist regime sent Cuban soldiers to Angola, and other countries to SPREAD TERRORISM...


Spoken like a true brainwashed, right-wing American wannabe. If you were really born Cuban like you claim, then I grieve for your treason against your own people.


Heck even castro told EVERYONE that the communist system is not working...


And so this must mean that communism doesn't work, right? Just like how communism "failed" after 72 years in Russia, right?


The Cuban situation isn't working because of all of the foreign suppression against them. It must be nice to sit on the ever-powerful side of the empire and make such pathetic claims like you do about small nations, proven successful but must be wrong because they don't follow the supreme ways of the American culture



And castro sucessfully assesinated JFK...


Again, you're losing credibility. What delusion is this, accusing someone you disagree with with something like the JFK assasination.

Man, you have some serious hate issues against Cuba. But I guess that's just your situation. Where I am from, we do not have such negative views on a nation that has proven to have the will to survive under dire circumstance WHILE obeying its obligations to nature itself.
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posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
For your information, I have never personally been to Cuba yet.



Of course you haven't, and you are so ignorant that you claim a CUBAN knows less than you...a Canadian who has never even put a foot in Cuba...




Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
However, I am in league with a few people who have been there many times to study the reality of the situation down there.


The only people you are in league with are tourists, because you haven't said ANYTHING that resembles reality in Cuba...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
This leads me to believe that you're assessment is BS in its entirety.


The only one spouting BS entirely is you. I find it ironic that it is people like you who like to claim that "Americans are arrogant", yet in matters such as this ignorant people like yourself like to claim that CUBANS like me are lying, when you don't know jack about MY ISLAND...




Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
So uneducated... The US has already been couped in 2001, and is now fascist. That's as far right as you can get, but I'm sure you can't see that in your own country where you media attacks itself for being too "left" or too "right" when it is really just one big puppet show designed to mislead the masses.


Uneducated really?... The U.S. government under Obama took over a PRIVATE COMPANY, giving a percentage of it to Canada, and keeping the other percentage for the Feds, that is a socialist move...

Not to mention that the PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS, under Obama implemented a bill to FORCE Americans, including children to work for free for the government.



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
People who believe the US is turning "left" or socialist are laughable. They know nothing about political science and watch too much American media, which is pure garbage.


The laughable people are those who believe the lies from filthy RICH self-professed socialists/communists who write books for the ignorant masses to engorge in lies, whether willingly or unwillingly...

You sir don't know what the hell you are talking about, and you should be man, or woman enough to come out and say the truth instead of trying to pass lies as the truth...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
So please, continue with your assessment on how Cuba is so wrong, based on the view that the US is "turning into a leftist dictatorship"


My view about Cuba is based on having been born, and having LIVED in Cuba, and still having most of my family including two sisters, my last living grandmother, and several other relatives still living in the island...

You should stop talking about something you don't know anything about, more so when my family, and most other Cubans are still suffering under the communist dictatorship you claim is so great...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Well first off, I've studied it in university. Here, we study it from a neutral view that involves studying both Cuba's assessment of itself and foreign assessments of it, including those from the far right in the US.


OMG you studied in a probably pro-socialist university in Canada...yeah that should give you all you need to know about CUBA....


People like you do nothing but insult Cubans, and claim that people like me are lying, when you don't know what you are talking about...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Oh, and on top of that we've also had plenty of guest lecturers that have done lots of humanitarian work there, and their assessment is far greater than yours.


OMG... GUEST LECTURERS?.....
Care to name names of these so called guest lecturers?...




Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Marxism brings suffering?


Yes it does...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Are you so blind?


Me blind?... no, but you sure are ignorant... Care to name to us how many countries which have embraced marxism, or any communist ideology is so free?... And please don't tell us the leftit BS that "it has never been tried"...

I guess for ignorant people like yourself the fact that over 110 million people have been murdered by communism around the world is not a sign that communism has been tried more than enough...

www.hawaii.edu...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Marxism is mindset to understand society as being controlled by the means of production.


Marxism, and all forms of socialism do nothing but consolidate all government power to a few people who claim "they represent the people", when in fact they oppress the people...

I am sure ignorant people like yourself still claim that Nazi Germany was a fascist regime even though Hitler himself proclaimed many times that they were socialists, and they implemented socialist programs...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
The only suffering is caused by capitalist forces, led by the rich, who fear the impoverished of the world gaining any power or credibility. Maybe you should study south American history, and see how many millions have died from CIA operations there (hint: it's over 5 million).


Care to present RELIABLE links?... and please no BS leftist link...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Spoken like a true brainwashed, right-wing American wannabe. If you were really born Cuban like you claim, then I grieve for your treason against your own people.


My treason against my people?... what the hell do you know about me?... I have translated letters from Spanish to English for political prisoners of Cuba. When I go to visit my family in Cuba is not to "enjoy Cuba at the expense of my people like Canadians and other tourists do. I go to Cuba with two full bags, and as much money as i can get to give to my family in the island... i don't go to Cuba to enjoy the under-age prostitutes like Canadians, and other tourists do, or to enjoy the beaches that CUBANS can't enjoy...

The only people who are doing a diservice to CUBANS are people like you... pathetic left-winger wannabe communists who can't get their heads off their behinds...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

And so this must mean that communism doesn't work, right? Just like how communism "failed" after 72 years in Russia, right?


wow...I can see that you are truly ignorant of world history. Are you telling us that communism was great for Russia and the former U.S.S.R. nations?...

Yeah...it was truly great for the millions that went through gulags, and the several millions murdered for not accepting your pathetic, failed ideology...



With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia.

www.hawaii.edu...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
The Cuban situation isn't working because of all of the foreign suppression against them.


BS... the situation in Cuba hasn't worked since the beginning of the revolution... Cuba has been doing business with nations like Canada freely and this has done NOTHING to help my people...



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
It must be nice to sit on the ever-powerful side of the empire and make such pathetic claims like you do about small nations, proven successful but must be wrong because they don't follow the supreme ways of the American culture


Look what claims you make...you, an ignorant CANADIAN who has never even set foot in Cuba...

You do nothing but tell LIES, and spread the propaganda from the communist regime...

Time and again every time someone has tried to present the truth about Cuba ignorant people like yourself like to run your mouth with nothing but lies... and you ignore facts as the following...


Supermodel with a cause falls foul of policeEmailPrintNormal fontLarge fontJanuary 27, 2006

Czech supermodel Helena Houdova took a break from the catwalk to visit communist Cuba and was arrested for taking photo graphs in a slum.

The former Miss Czech Republic 1999 runs a foun dation in New York that supports dis advantaged children and wanted to see what she could do to help in Cuba.

But on Monday, Cuban security police detained Houdova and her companion, Czech psychologist Mariana Kroftova, while they were taking photographs in the poor Havana area of Arroyo Naranjo.

They were released 11 hours later after signing a let ter saying they would not engage in "counter-revolutionary" activities.

"We were afraid," Houdova said. "We grew up under communism and know what it is like."

www.theage.com.au...

That's what happens when real people with REAL concerns about what has been happening in Cuba go through when they try to find the truth about the communist dictatorship...

But of course, someone as ignorant as you will try to ignore such FACTS....



Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Again, you're losing credibility. What delusion is this, accusing someone you disagree with with something like the JFK assasination.


I am losing credibility?....
naa, I gave evidence that corroborates my statements...all you gave is claims that "you studied in a Canadian university and heard the claims from guest lecturers" who are most probably left winger Canadians who went to Cuba as tourists....




Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Man, you have some serious hate issues against Cuba. But I guess that's just your situation. Where I am from, we do not have such negative views on a nation that has proven to have the will to survive under dire circumstance WHILE obeying its obligations to nature itself.
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I don't hate Cuba, but I have no love for the communist regime you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT...

Where you are from, and if the majority of Canadians believe what you believe it is obvious that you are
accepting nothing but the lies from the communist regime, instead of believing THE CUBAN PEOPLE...


Only ignorant fools claim that those who suffered under a dictatorship know nothing of it...


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posted on Feb, 10 2011 @ 11:57 PM
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Posada has admitted to terrorist attacks. Unless of course the communist dictatorship tricked him into confessing.


The exile, Luis Posada Carriles, said he organized a wave of bombings in Cuba last year at hotels, restaurants and discotheques, killing an Italian tourist and alarming the Cuban Government. Mr. Posada was schooled in demolition and guerrilla warfare by the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1960's.


query.nytimes.com...



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 12:12 AM
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These are the facts that ignorant left-wingers love to ignore about Cuba...


The Call of the International Committee to Demand Justice for the Victims of the "13 de Marzo" Massacre

This is the initiating statement of the international campaign to bring justice to the victims of the "13 de Marzo" massacre. Our challenge is to go out to the international community and reach people so that many more people can speak out on this outrage, and also to deepen our campaign so that our goal can be accomplished. Justice for Caridad Tacoronte age 4, Marjolis Méndez age 17 who had their young lives violently taken away from them, and the other thirty nine who were brutally murdered on July 13, 1994.


In the early morning hours of July 13, 1994 the tugboat[/size "13 de Marzo" was attacked by agents of the Cuban government. They repeatedly rammed the tug, used high pressure water hoses on the victims, and sank the ship killing at least 41 men, women, and children seven miles off the coast of Havana, Cuba.
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www2.fiu.edu...

In the following link you will find some real information about what MY PEOPLE have gone through under the communist dictatorship...and not the lies some westerners are learning from left-winger university professors who don't know jack about Cuba...

www2.fiu.edu...

BTW, the key witness against Posada is a Cuban government official...yet you people want to believe the lies from the Cuban counter-intelligence agency....


In response, defense attorney Hernandez filed his motions, which refer to previous testimony Hernandez Caballero gave during a separate hijacking case in Florida in 1997. While testifying in that case, Hernandez Caballero admitted to being a major in the Direccion General de Contra Intelegencia, Cubas counter-intelligence agency.

Hernandez said the defense only discovered the information this week because prosecutors were late in turning over a transcript of Hernandez Caballero's previous testimony. He alleged they were deliberately slow because they didn't want him to be able to impeach the witness.

Hernandez also said that, instead of the real investigators who handled the bombing cases, the Cuban government sent Hernandez Caballero to provide the jury misinformation that could hurt his client.
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www.winonadailynews.com...

But hey, you people keep believing the lies from the communist regime...



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posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross

Posada has admitted to terrorist attacks. Unless of course the communist dictatorship tricked him into confessing.



You people love to talk about the tortures of gitmo, yet you fail to know, or understand the extend of the real torture in Cuban prisons...



Human Rights Watch Reports:

The conditions in Cubas prisons are inhuman, and political prisoners suffer additional degrading treatment and torture.

hrw.org...,20

One of my uncles who was at first a captain in castro's regime was imprisoned for years and lost one of his testicles, several of his vertebrae were broken, apart from other bones from the daily beatings he recieved in prison after he and other Cubans turned against castro when castro began to break his promises and started demanding the murders of Cuban civilians.

Of course, his main assassin Che Guevara, another murderer ignorant leftists love, actually loved to follow the orders of castro to murder Cuban civilians who simply didn't want to accept communism...



The punitive and intimidatory measures against political prisoners that caused severe pain and suffering violated Cubas obligations under the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, which it ratified in 1995. Once again, in the past year the
government forbade access to its prisons by international human rights monitors and humanitarian groups, including the International Committee of the Red Cross
(ICRC).

www.hrw.org...

No international Human Right group is allowed to investigate what really is happening in Cuba... Yet some ignorant foreigners want to claim differently?....



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posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 12:22 AM
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Not too many people would say that Castro was a teddy bear. I am quite certain that most would not say Batista was a teddy bear either. Regardless of Castro's actions, the CIA and Posada's actions targetted civilians; how is that justified? Posada admitted his role in crimes against innocent people.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 12:23 AM
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I am aware of that.

Who are "you people"? Who is talking about Gitmo? We are talking about Luis Posada, an admitted terrorist.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross

I am aware of that.

Who are "you people"? Who is talking about Gitmo? We are talking about Luis Posada, an admitted terrorist.


"You people" are every one of you who love to believe the lies from communist dictators instead of believing what the PEOPLE actually say...

And yes, we have had many of you try to raise hell for Gitmo, yet you, those like the Canadian i was responding to, love to ignore the torture, suffering and death caused by leftist regimes...


Do you have ANY idea of where the witnesses against Posada gave their supposed admission?... FROM CUBAN PRISONS...

Did you fail to read the following?...


In response, defense attorney Hernandez filed his motions, which refer to previous testimony Hernandez Caballero gave during a separate hijacking case in Florida in 1997. While testifying in that case, Hernandez Caballero admitted to being a major in the Direccion General de Contra Intelegencia, Cubas counter-intelligence agency.

Hernandez said the defense only discovered the information this week because prosecutors were late in turning over a transcript of Hernandez Caballero's previous testimony. He alleged they were deliberately slow because they didn't want him to be able to impeach the witness.

Hernandez also said that, instead of the real investigators who handled the bombing cases, the Cuban government sent Hernandez Caballero to provide the jury misinformation that could hurt his client.
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www.winonadailynews.com...

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posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
Posada has admitted to terrorist attacks. Unless of course the communist dictatorship tricked him into confessing.


Care to give the actual tapes of such confession?...

Please no "hearsay"...


Posada certainly did some terrorism, against castro's regime, and btw most Cubans in the island are not part of castro's regime...

Well, they are FORCED to be part of the communist party, otherwise no one can have a job.... and they are forced to live in neighborhoods that EVERY CUBAN knows someone, or more than one person is a paid spy of the Cuban regime...


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posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 01:02 AM
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BTW, if you are referring to this confession...perhaps you should take a good look at FROM WHERE such confession was made?....


“The exile, Luis Posada Carriles, said he organized a wave of bombings in Cuba at hotels, restaurants and dance clubs, killing an Italian tourist and alarming the Cuban Government. Posada Carriles was trained in guerrilla warfare by the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1960’s.

In a series of taped interviews at a walled Caribbean compound, Posada Carriles said the hotel bombings (in Havana) and other operations had been approved by leaders of the Cuban-American National Foundation. Its founder and leader, Jorge Mas Canosa, who recently died, was embraced at the White House by Presidents Reagan, Bush and Clinton.”

www.voltairenet.org...



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 01:10 AM
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Oh wait...now that I am talking about the truth of Cuba, and that possibly Posada has been set up by the communist regime, that must mean I am a CIA agent as well right?...



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 05:05 AM
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So you've never been there and your claim to knowing anything about Cuba is academia?


Ok...

FYI, I'm the son of Cubans who had to escape Cuba in 1979. My parents were holed up in the Embassy of Peru for several weeks with 10,000 other refugees. They packed this place to the gills, while the Castro regime cut off water and electricity to the place. Urine ran like rivers, and a few starved to death.

Near the end of the siege the Castro government pleaded with the Peruvian government to declare the facility Cuban territory for 24 hours. The Peruvian government declined knowing the commie bastards would shoot everyone in the damned building. They escaped to Costa Rica where my brother and I were born. My family spent ten grueling years of poverty there, luckily, I was too young to have felt the true brunt of the poverty my parents had faced in the adult years. Thank God Almighty we live in the United States of America today. I would have it no other way.

You can't play nice with dictators. And I for one am glad the US at least TRIED to do something, even if some of the things the US did are misguided efforts.

Suffice to say, your academic view of Cuba is not reflective of the realities of the brutality of the Castro regime. But you go ahead and talk to tourists and read your text books...You know better than natives after all.

On the point of terrorism against the Cuban Regime...I say so effing what? GOOD. You don't play patty cake with dictatorial murderers.

My Grandfather on my mother's side spent 11 years in El Morro(google it) as a political prisoner(No evidence, no nothing). On my father's side my grandfather was murdered by Castro goons. There's a reason my parents escaped.

And to that point, any nation you have to escape is not doing anything right. Next we'll hear about how great North Korea is.

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posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 10:41 PM
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ElectricUniverse-
The only people you are in league with are tourists, because you haven't said ANYTHING that resembles reality in Cuba...


Tourists? You're pretty funny. Like I said, they went down there to study the situation for themselves because they happen to be in a economically-inclined situation to allow them to do so. If I had a few grand laying around, I would go down there myself. But then again, I wouldn't even bother if I had to go anywhere near American airspace on the off chance that my plane would have to land in American territory.


Uneducated really?... The U.S. government under Obama took over a PRIVATE COMPANY, giving a percentage of it to Canada, and keeping the other percentage for the Feds, that is a socialist move...


A government taking control of a private company is not socialism. Do the American people own the company? Do they benefit from it?

Hell, I don't even know what company you are talking about. Considering you claim the US gave some of it to Canada, then I can only assume that there was some NAFTA violation and due process was carried out. Or do you think that the US should continue to trample all over the Canadian company, which is the entire point of NAFTA?


Not to mention that the PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS, under Obama implemented a bill to FORCE Americans, including children to work for free for the government.


Really now, care to give some specific details? Even if this is true, then this still isn't socialism. Sounds like fascism to me, or rather a dictatorship that ignores civil liberties.


The laughable people are those who believe the lies from filthy RICH self-professed socialists/communists who write books for the ignorant masses to engorge in lies, whether willingly or unwillingly...


And which rich socialists/communists are you refering to?

Che Guevara? Castro? Lenin? Marx? Engels?


You sir don't know what the hell you are talking about, and you should be man, or woman enough to come out and say the truth instead of trying to pass lies as the truth...


You're calling me a cowardly liar? I'm speaking from what I know. I go over this stuff all the time with other people who also pay accute attention, specifically to socialist progress in Central/South America.

You may be from Cuba, but that doesn't mean you really know the Cuban situation. Just because I am from Canada, does not mean that I agree with the current Canadian regime or its pathetic, pro-American policies. But you know what makes me more credible? The fact that I am still here, studying the sh!t out of my own geopolitical situation because one day I will be part of the strategic picture.

I don't run away and cry from afar.


You should stop talking about something you don't know anything about, more so when my family, and most other Cubans are still suffering under the communist dictatorship you claim is so great...


How dare you tell me to stop talking. You may have a voice, but you speak only for yourself.


OMG... GUEST LECTURERS?..... Care to name names of these so called guest lecturers?...


My instructors are far more credible and probably have more experience in Cuba than you do.

The very fact that you can't tell the difference between Marxism/Socialism/Communism and instead bunch them all together and label them as bad, really shows me that you know little to nothing about political theory.

The application of socialism in Cuba obviously wasn't going to create some utopia, especially when the US would never allow it (hence extensive terrorist operations, assassinations and even outright invasion attempts against Cuba for 50 years by the US).

But if you have nothing but contempt for the socialist government of Cuba, then are you saying that you support the previous, US-backed Batista dictatorship? Under him, all of Cuba was a disaster, full of poverty and brutal administration. The only exception was Havana where the Italian mafia turned the capital into a whorehouse for the American elite to visit and do whatever they wanted. The rest of Cuba was nothing but resource production, in the eyes of the US. Is this what you support? Because this is exactly what the US government would love to reinstate in modern Cuba.


Marxism, and all forms of socialism do nothing but consolidate all government power to a few people who claim "they represent the people", when in fact they oppress the people...


Completely rediculous. Perhaps there have been some who have claimed to be Marxist, but they are obviously not. You are blaming ideology for the acts of men.

And dictatorships? The US is the country that has trained death squads and terrorists to kill off Marxist revolutions, replacing revolutionary governments with dictators that are backed by the US if they serve US interests. Ever heard of the Contras?

If the US fails to indirectly control a revolution to their whims, then they directly intervene. This is what happened in Vietnam. Do you not notice that the US used chemical weapons to wipe out over 90% of Vietnam's forests? This was because forestry was Vietnam's biggest industry. The US couldn't exploit them, so they decided to destroy their production possibilities to completely set back their infrastructure by decades, if not centuries. They did the exact same in Cambodia too, which birthed the Khmer Rouge, a horrible reactionary revolutionary force that murdered millions. This is the result of American foreign policy, yet the Americans have no problem slapping a "communist/socialist" label all over it.

So you're really going to tell me that it is so horrible for the people to own their own mode of production? In your opinion, the mode of production should be owned by a handful of elite? Because you claim "Marxism, and all forms of socialism do nothing but consolidate all government power to a few people who claim "they represent the people", when in fact they oppress the people..."... Well guess what buddy, this is exactly what finance capitalism (otherwise known as empiricism) has accomplished. It is exactly what Marxism and its advanced theories try to expose as corruption and exploitation.


I am sure ignorant people like yourself still claim that Nazi Germany was a fascist regime even though Hitler himself proclaimed many times that they were socialists, and they implemented socialist programs...


Are you for real?

Hitler claimed to be democratic socialist. Obviously he claimed that, he wouldn't be telling his people that he was there to exploit them under fascism, which is exactly what he was able to do because of his party's mastery of manipulating the public (probably a good reason why the US smuggled Nazi social engineers into their country after the war).

Hitler in fact hated socialists and communists because they threatened the very foundation of fascism. This is why he murdered over 20 million Soviets.

Do you know what fascism is? Basically it is when a select group of people take over a country through subversion and continue to lead it through diversion. The US is already at this state. Corporate interests took over after 9/11, and all the crap in the Middle East? It is all about oil. Make no mistake about it, millions have died in a senseless American-lead crusade against "terrorism" all for energy resources.

And the Nazis implemented social programs? What is your point? There are social programs in Canada. Are we Nazis?


Care to present RELIABLE links?... and please no BS leftist link...


I find it funny how people ask me all the time for links. I don't get my reliable information from the internet; I get it from professionals and historical documentation.

Start reading some Chomsky, or I guess he is too leftist for you to believe



Are you telling us that communism was great for Russia and the former U.S.S.R. nations?...


Yeah I am.

Are you telling me that the white army (imperialism) was good for Russia? Or how about the black army (anarchists)?

Yeah, thanks for the extremist link claiming 61 million people were killed by the Soviets (That would be at least half of their population :@@
.

You do realize that there were over 140 million aboriginals living in the Americas before Europeans came over and murdered them with superior weapons and biological warfare, right?


I am losing credibility?....


Yup. Especially when you claim that Castro killed JFK. If he did, then the US would've jumped at the chance to make the connection and bomb Cuba all to hell, and probably even nuke the USSR because the two were allies.

The best JFK theories I've ever seen involve his political opponents themselves, especially those who succeeded him *coughLBJcoughNixoncough*


These are the facts that ignorant left-wingers love to ignore about Cuba...


This thread is about a CIA-backed terrorist who was going to kill Cubans. All you've done is moan about how communism is so evil. Talk about disinformation.


You people love to talk about the tortures of gitmo, yet you fail to know, or understand the extend of the real torture in Cuban prisons...


I guess you've never heard of extraordinary rendition. That's where the US sends political prisoners to dictatorships to be brutally tortured in situations where the US could not be implicated. To known countries for this are Syria and Egypt. Quite ironic that the US-backed DICTATORSHIP in Egypt, known for its US-TRAINED SECRET POLICE (who specialize in torture), has been toppled through democratic reforms.


And yes, we have had many of you try to raise hell for Gitmo, yet you, those like the Canadian i was responding to, love to ignore the torture, suffering and death caused by leftist regimes...


I love to ignore torture by leftists? WTF

The world is not black and white like you see it as. The leftists certainly torture less than the CIA and CIA-founded DEATH SQUADS specifically created to instill terror on national levels to crush any hopes of revolutions that actually benefit South American populations. There are countries down there still that suffer from brutal, American-backed dictatorships... but I guess they don't exist, because American media only shows the "horrors" of Cuba or Venezuela, right?


Do you have ANY idea of where the witnesses against Posada gave their supposed admission?... FROM CUBAN PRISONS...


If the Americans can torture prisoners plucked out of the Middle East and extract "confessions" claiming they knew the hijackers on 9/11, then I see no reason not to believe the result of Cuban interrogations, unless of course the US is the only country in the world that is capable of extracting the "truth" from prisoners



But you go ahead and talk to tourists and read your text books...You know better than natives after all.


I don't care if this guy is a native Cuban or not. He is one of a few that I've ever come across that have ever made such claims, seemingly without the ability to communicate them without hostility.

I know from personal experience that people who have to shout the loudest to repeat their point, tend to have the weakest foundations in an argument.


And to that point, any nation you have to escape is not doing anything right. Next we'll hear about how great North Korea is.


People have to escape Cuba? News to me. Perhaps you're referring to the "special period" during the 90s where the US-backed embargo forced such hard economic conditions on Cuba that it lead to a lot of Cubans rafting it to Florida. I don't see where the Cuban government was stopping them, but the US government sure had a problem with taking them in.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 11:42 PM
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I gave the link to the Times article several posts back. The man is a terrorist. If he had gone after Castro himself, fine. But he chose to go after tourists and a plane full of kids. This man is the worst kind of scum.

Castro was a bad man, but he may never have come to power if not for the dictator Batista. I will never understand the history of America supporting dictators; there will always be blowback.



posted on Feb, 11 2011 @ 11:48 PM
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His confession was printed in the New York Times. Did the writer make it all up? Hell even the CIA (who hired him) admits he carried out these attacks. This is not a case of a poor freedom fighter being set up; this is a case of an admitted terrorist choosing to kill innocent people, in a vain attempt to take down a dictator.



posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross

His confession was printed in the New York Times. Did the writer make it all up? Hell even the CIA (who hired him) admits he carried out these attacks. This is not a case of a poor freedom fighter being set up; this is a case of an admitted terrorist choosing to kill innocent people, in a vain attempt to take down a dictator.


Did you not read that the so called "confession" was made from a caribbean prison? most probably in Cuba?

Why would he first say he did it and then say he didn't do it?...

The FBI mentions his name AS A POSSIBLE LINK... not that they know for certain.



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