reply to post by IAMIAM
Luke 14:25-33 (New International Version (always prefer the english in this to the KJV which is too archaic for me)
The Cost of Being a Disciple
Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and
children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me
cannot be my disciple.
“Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? For
if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t
able to finish.’
“Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men
to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and
will ask for terms of peace. In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.
Very simply he is saying that once one seeks and finds the truth, the love, the light, that which he sought, the answers, he will do all he can to
serve others, say yes the call. For many are called, few are chosen. I believe that all are meant to be chosen. We all came here to this earth to
make a difference and grow, but many of us have lost our ways. So he is saying that we need to wake up and do what we say we're going to do, count
the cost before hand and stick to the work, if we fall off the bike, get back on again as soon as we've recovered. Do the missions or tasks or work
or growth factor we came to do and shine our lights.
This is not a literal passage, nearly everything you read in the bible is not literal. Hark, its a Metaphor!! I'll say that again, Metaphor, truly
So he is not saying to hate your family, and walk away from those in your life. What he is saying however is not to subdue the light in you, or walk
away from the truths your find and know, to make your family happy. Most people are caught up very much in the worldliness, in job promotions,
captiliasm, materialism, and you need to stand gently, with great sensitivity to their feelings but, maintain the light and shine the truth, and
commit to serving others and moving beyond these traps, possibly attempting to share, and teach others. Sometimes when people are very different and
walking different paths, they must part, or they would hurt each other too much.
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
Jesus wasn't crucified to cleans our sins. This is believed because humans, for some reason, can't get the stupid primitive idea out of their head
that god requires blood in exchange for us to survive death. This is ridiculous. Why would god let someone else be punished for stuff that we do? and
his own son at that??? Jesus was crucified simply because his existence threatened the power of religious leaders of the time.
edit on 12/2/11 by awake_and_aware because: (no reason given)
No he didn't die for our sins. He died to teach us how not to commit sin. He died to teach us the depths to which we should love one another. He died
as proof that he believed what he said with all his heart and his soul.
My friend and I were discussing this because I do not actually like the sacrificial part myself. There were two things brought up, one was the law of
consequence. This is the part where the Family in the Beyond would take upon themselves willingly what would take for us to be spared the hurts we've
done, and allow forgiveness. But I always beleived in forgiveness, so this is a situation that takes deep thinking and we're not all going to see eye
to eye. But there are two that I do follow. All my life, I realized he had come to give himself fully over to service to others, to give his all to
others, even unto death, to demonstrate his willingness to be the firefighter going in to save the baby, and in the process of giving his all, his
life, he overcomes death itself, and shows it as the imposter it truly is, shows us that we must never fear even this will pass is temporal.
This would even go so far as the first suffering that ever took place, the Family Above would wish to come and share that suffering with us in
solidarity as well, though they have already gone through it, but they see as children, little ones ,and don't wish us to go through alone. For its
Teamwork in every clip of the film in infinity of our eternal lives, with all the steps that those On High have also taken like what we are going
through, they also had help from Above, for its always Team Work, help, unity, love that is being, shown, bearing with each other.
Another thought came out in the discussion which was an extra thought I had not even realized. The annanuki and the younger children, bullies of the
cosmos, think they erronesouly are the owners of earth. Even in the scripture, the devil tempted Christ and offered him the worldly kingdoms, as if
they were his to offer. But, what also was shown here was that the Higher Ups played along with what the immature bullies thought, and then
demonstrated that any contracts they ever thought gave them earth were really nulll and void, for they could never harm an innocent soul.. Christ was
without sin, without fault, without blemish, he was innocent. When they harmed him, if they even imagined for one second they had contractual rights
to earth, which of course was only in their head, it was torn assunder.
Edit To Add: This is still going on. For example, the leaders are dumping , in their minds, enormous KARMA on the people especially they think in
democracies, for they feel we are endorsing the abject poverty of billions of this planet, the rape of their minerals, land rights, resources, via our
international corporations and our banks, who are bleeding this world dry to fill their own coffers and misusing our tax dollars. In reality, people
are being brainwashed so strongly they dont see it, and when they do speak up aren't listened to so its like that masonic bank mural, where there are
blank protest signs, the people have no voice. vigilantcitizen.com...
So they think they're dumping karma on us, they even think they're tying us into a sun god, by Jesus and saying to the christians, and others, won't
we sacrifice our all to the sun, but they code the sun to be the dark star/saturn/satan. They have sold humanity out to the Negative ETs and
entities, the Eye of Horus Group, the Feathered Serpents from days of old that are truly pullling their strings. What they do underground in the
bases to humans, horrifying experiments, torturous deaths, they feel they have signed us over. We belong to them, they own us by our complacancy.
Its like we lose protection when we lose awareness, love, light and stop seeking to uncover the answers and the truth and have compassion for
everyone, BUT, they don't realize that Christ already dealth with their contracts.
Done deal, all gone. They don't call these shots!!!
So their company LOGOS, that they feel you are supporting their Demi God/LOGO when you buy their products are all null and void.
I know this. Its like vodoo. Don't believe it, ask for Love and Healing always, and always state the inent of your heart is your meaning. Hand back
to them the pits they dig for others. Redeem every company logo, swirl of their pen, every day they've coded to Saturn/Satan, from Halloween to
Valentines. Make it niave, pure love. Shine light on everything, transform it, uplift it by our love and goodness. They lose that game.
on 12-2-2011 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)