Napolitano: Nation's terror threat may be highest since 9/11

Originally posted by Chance321

Originally posted by SamusAran
She's attempting to scare congress into passing the patriot act provisions.

No, I gotta disagree, and this is just a feeling. I think the whole act here is to let "This" Patriot act die so Big Sis can pass her version of what the Patriot act should be. And if people thought President Bush's version was bad I think the updated version will be a nightmare for us.

Scary thought... and here is how it would play out..

1) Establishment makes half-fearted platitudes and attempts to keep the current PA alive.
2) Tea Partiy and others vote it out.. it's gone.
3) Major terrorist attack causes mass deaths
4) Investigation reveals that the tip came through a few days after the PA ended and was missed because of some legal technicality that the PA would have prevented.
5) Enhanced Homeland Security and Intelligence Act (EMSI) is passed 2-3 months later.

Walla

Originally posted by marinesniper0351
reply to post by kroms33

 

Its not worth arguing with you over the validity of Fox news (though it was an OPINION of yours that they are opinionated, was it not)...sounds like a double standard.

I am Muslim American/Iranian with many family members in Iran now, they cant believe the Muslim Brotherhood is getting the attention they are getting, Iranians in the last election protested and died against the same philosophies the Muslim Brother Hood believe in.

My president even talking about them is a discrace to all freedom loving Muslims around the world...

Krom if you dont believe once radical Islam takes over (possible one day) that you will not be on the chopping blocks think again...I wont be there to help you.

The situation inside Iran is a fluid one with many of the events being Pavlavi and CIA driven. When you look at all the dishonest factions involved including the Iranian Government itself, understanding what really is going on inside Iran is not so cut and dry.

Yet what is going on inside of Iran has little to do with what is going on inside of Egypt.

If democracy is really all about majority rules, then yes, we have to accept who that majority is, whether it's Hammas, the Muslim Brotherhood, New Coservatives, Likud or the Green Party.

One of the things the Egyptian people and many others around the world face in creating democracies, is we seem to imagine here in the United States we should be the ones who decide which majority in those nations is ok by us to rule.

That just defeats the democratic process, and at the time of the Iranian revolution yes a majority was established of Muslim Fundamentalists and in part because that was the polar opposite of a very corrupt and often brutal regime run by Pavlavi.

One that the CIA worked hand in hand with the SAVAK to prop up.

So if Egypt is going to end up with the 'wrong' kind of majority, in part it's because of how our policies have propped up an unpopular regime for too long, simply because it worked for us and Israel.

If the people of Egypt want the Muslim Brotherhood, and the people of Lebanon want Hizbollah, and the people of Gaza want Hamas through a process that is honestly reflective of a true majority then hey, that really is what democracy is all about.

Sure it might not be the government that many Americans or Zionists would like to see, but hey, we don't live there, they do.

What problem we do have with terrorism, legitimate terrorism is from picking sides in conflicts we really have no business picking sides in, our fore fathers clearly warned against doing that, and trillions of wasted dollars later, and millions of innocent dead people later, we keep on doing that.

It hasn't just made democracy harder in those nations we meddle in, it's made it harder here as a Police State rises in the United States as a result of it's Gunboat foreign policy that is fraught with dual standards.

Democracy is about everyone having a voice and establishing a majority.

Not about imposing systems that work for the international corporations and banks fueled by an out of control military industrial complex.

Iran has had five revolutions in the last 100 years and pretending that they need us to decide what party should be in power is something that only led to a backlash against the United States within Iran and a radicalized government.

People really ought to start learning from history while they still can.

Let nations work out their own majorities, and if you don't like that government, well try to change it from within or move somewhere you do enjoy it.

I don't like the Government here in the U.S. but ultimately it's not up to just me as far as what I want but the majority of people who live here, and yes nations like Israel and Britan would love to have governments here that work for them, but a government really should be one chosen by its people that works for them.

reply to post by rogerstigers



Yup, and that's what scars me. That it could be scripted to go about like that. This whole thing has been planned out from the day he took office

reply to post by Chance321


Who? Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, or Obama? I mean seriously, some of these connections date back YEARS!

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


The only terrorists are those the government produce and people out of touch with reality. The U.S. government is responsible for suicide bombing in Iraq, Afghanistan, plane crashes in other countries and keeping the mexican drug cartels transporting drugs into the U.S. for the black market. You people should really wake up and find this # out for yourself. But you won't because you can't don't care or you can't do anything about it.

Originally posted by SomeCheesyUsername
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

The only terrorists are those the government produce and people out of touch with reality. The U.S. government is responsible for suicide bombing in Iraq, Afghanistan, plane crashes in other countries and keeping the mexican drug cartels transporting drugs into the U.S. for the black market. You people should really wake up and find this # out for yourself. But you won't because you can't don't care or you can't do anything about it.

Who is "you people"? I don't know of many people on this thread at least who sincerely believe in terrorists the way that the US Gov describes it.

reply to post by rogerstigers


That's the game alright. They get plenty of reason to re-enact it, and they get to take the steam out of the sails of the Tea Party. In 2008 the Republicans wanted to "keep us safe" and they swore Obama couldn't do it. Well, for 2 years he did it, then the Tea Party came along and swept the mid-term elections, so if anything happens now, guess who the scapegoat will be.

I think you typed out the jist of their plan in just a few lines, and we are probably powerless to stop it. The only thing we can do is ignore the press when it happens, look for the truth ourself, and make our political decisions based on facts instead of based on soundbites and fingerpointing.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Dear Ms. Nap,

As a concerned American citizen, I would like to help you in the battle against terrorism. The best way to stop terrorism in the USA is to arrest the biggest terrorist and terrorist organization in America.

Granted, you're going to look silly escorting yourself and the entire DHS into your local police precinct so that they can jail you...

...But hey, look on the bright side. You'll probably be hailed as a great american hero by the MSM.


Signed,
An American citizen (a.k.a. the people you hate)

reply to post by marinesniper0351

Its not worth arguing with you over the validity of Fox news (though it was an OPINION of yours that they are opinionated, was it not)...sounds like a double standard.

I am not arguing, but rather pointing out facts. If the majority of the news networks are reporting on events differently than only one source, there is either a general conspiracy that 'said' news networks is/isn't involved in and it just smells awfully funny to lots of people. Is it my opinion? Why, no. It is the opinion of lots and lots of people, including the other news networks that frown on the fear mongering tactics of Fox. So, it is not my opinion - but nearly fact that people do not trust Fox News to be an accurate news source.

I am Muslim American/Iranian with many family members in Iran now, they cant believe the Muslim Brotherhood is getting the attention they are getting, Iranians in the last election protested and died against the same philosophies the Muslim Brother Hood believe in.

Perhaps you are who you say you are, but one has to question that reality when the person stating lines such as the above have no clue what the Muslim Brotherhood is.

en.wikipedia.org...
The Society of the Muslim Brothers (often simply الإخوان Al-Ikhwān, The Brotherhood or MB) is an Islamist transnational movement and the largest political opposition organization in many Arab states. The group is the world's oldest and largest Islamic political group,[1] and the "world's most influential Islamist movement."[2] The Brotherhood has as its slogan "Islam is the solution".[3] It was founded in 1928 in Egypt by the Islamic scholar and schoolteacher Hassan al-Banna.

The Brotherhood's stated goal is to instill the Qur'an and Sunnah as the "sole reference point for ... ordering the life of the Muslim family, individual, community ... and state".[4] Since its inception in 1928 the movement has officially opposed violent means to achieve its goals.[5][6] Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor, calls it "conservative and non-violent,"[7] and "poorly understood - especially in the West."[8] The Brotherhood condemned terrorism and the 9/11 attacks

So, for a "Muslim Iranian/American" to spout on about an organization he seemingly knows nothing about would make me question the authenticity of your claims that you are in fact a Muslim/Iranian/American, or perhaps you are so detached from your culture that you obviously don't know what you are talking about.
Heck, I am not even Muslim, Arabic, or anything... Just some white guy who knows about cultures and religions.

My president even talking about them is a discrace to all freedom loving Muslims around the world...

Krom if you dont believe once radical Islam takes over (possible one day) that you will not be on the chopping blocks think again...I wont be there to help you.

I do not subscribe to the scare tactics of the right, left or any other political group. What I subscribe to is knowledge and knowing what is and what isn't. Detach yourself from the machine and look at the world around you - it is a beautiful place.

I don't think I will need your help though (thanks for not offering it), I seriously doubt my head will be on a chopping block because some crazy 'terrorist' that is hiding in peoples closets... no, the people who are going to kill me will most likely be the uninformed people (with all due respect intended).

reply to post by JohnD

Originally posted by JohnD

Why wait to be recruited by Islamic extremists groups? The government will try and recruit and then arrest more "would-be-terrorists" than any group could imagine recruiting.

Most likely, the targets of this "recruitment" will be young, idealistic, disillusioned, possibly angry, and highly impressionable.

No doubt about that. The FBI will spend it's resources procuring and pushing these impressionable folks into becoming terrorist in their fake exercises complete with the 50k fake car bombs along with surveillance teams and the rest of required million dollar plus support teams chasing each potential target so they can build up their statistics charts for next years budget requests, accept awards at their yearly review banquets, get promoted and prove to themselves that they are working hard at stopping terrorism.

All while the real terrorist evade all but a few overseas field jockeys who get ignored by their commanders for additional resources and support because it's not part of the current target program, the patriot act doesn't give them easier access outside of America and the work is dangerous to all involved because they have to work with real terrorists that may kill them.

It MAY be? We don't know? I guess it is getting hard for the government to keep track of all the fear mongering....

reply to post by kennylee


Don't you want to ask her what the basis of her observation of the terrorist threat is? And what intelligence she knows that we don’t?

My question is this; if Blackwater and other security groups make a profit doing what they do, why aren't we charging other countries for your security? I mean, lets keep a close eye on Iran. If it looks like they're going to launch at us, then blow them to hell and back, but as far as protecting the "region", why not charge these neighboring countries the millions of dollars that Blackwater would be making?

Abrams Tank:$10,000/day
Personnel for said tank: $3000/day
APC's: $2000/Day
Personnel for said APC $750/Day
Bradley Fighting Vehicles: $2000/Day
Personnel for said vehicle: $750/Day
Armed foot soldiers: $500/Day
Radar Installations: $2500/Day
Personnel for said radar: $1500/Day

These are just number I pulled out of my rectum but they seem reasonable to me.

reply to post by General.Lee


The Russians said they will do it for 10% cheaper, but wouldn't you know those pesky Chinese are offering half off, now through November, with no money down, and deferred payments for a year, plus full Janes of London value on all trade in equipment, free oil changes for a year and a 3 year, 3 invasion warranty/money back gaurantee.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Napolitano is certainly right about that as she attempts to terrorize the U.S. Congress with maybe illusions of dire threats while highlighting the need to involve more local law enforcement officers into the War on Terror domestically and promote new campaigns that encourage citizens to spy on their fellow citizens in the name of Homeland Security.

Yeah, isn't this what the Nazis told the German population, exactly?

Is there anyone on this thread who agrees with Napolitano?

*crickets*

Anyone, anyone?

What .. another false flag op
how many of these do americans need before they start to doubt the credibility of their own government

do we need another false flag op to wake up and START A REVOLUTION

only that will save lifes .. not another war

Originally posted by Elohimsciences
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Napolitano is certainly right about that as she attempts to terrorize the U.S. Congress with maybe illusions of dire threats while highlighting the need to involve more local law enforcement officers into the War on Terror domestically and promote new campaigns that encourage citizens to spy on their fellow citizens in the name of Homeland Security.

Yeah, isn't this what the Nazis told the German population, exactly?

My thoughts exactly!

On the upside, if any of you Yanks are worried about this you could always pack up your bags and move here (Australia), tho once we become a republic we will be annexed by you guys anyway.... our oil ya know

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by Jeremiah Johnson
I can't stand her, she makes me physically ill. God help us all if she should ever run for President, it's bad enough she has the power that she does now. She would be perfect for Josef Stalin's KGB.

Honestly the parallels between former Communist systems and the Nazi system are so numerous that it amazes me that so many Americans have tolerated these policies and gone along with them.

Sadly most of the people who do support it, support it in the name of the Muslim Boogie Man and are prone to religious manipulation themselves, making it all to easy for them to believe that members of other religions can be manipulated into doing almost anything.

Isn't it ironic that it's the Judean/Christian/Zionist types who are so fearful and offended by Islam that are actually the ones aiding the destruction of the American Way of Life and Dream and not the Islamists they are doing this in fear of?

I guess we are finding out the hard way just why the founders wanted Church and State seperate?

Good Gawd, Man!! Quit making so much SENSE! I purposefully quoted your entire post so that others can read it again. Next year, when its a Republican president (uh, I mean "if") everyone will be screaming "Fascism!".

The provisions failed to pass the house and now it's hissy fit time for Janet.I did not know about the other 2 versions.What,if they both get voted down? I guess that's when DHS goes into hysteria overdrive and we will see Napolitano's PR people drag out the old trusty accusation of "being soft on terrorism." on whoever voted against the act.Sad part is these politicians and regular people will buy into that.