Majority of House Republicans Vote to extend 3 provisions of the Patriot Act and fail.

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Feb 8, 2011: This bill failed in the House of Representatives by roll call vote. The vote was held under a suspension of the rules to cut debate short and pass the bill, needing a two-thirds majority. This usually occurs for non-controversial legislation. The totals were 277 Ayes, 148 Nays, 9 Present/Not Voting. Vote Details.

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3 major provisions of the Patriot Act are now gone! Despite a concerted effort by the GOP to extend it.

reply to post by whatukno


I have the utmost faith that the TEA party folks will be on this like white on rice. They promised to just boot anyone that did not tow that smaller government line. They seem really kind of quiet right now and all but I am sure they will soon be here to voice their opposition to these "lawmakers."

So it failed by 6 votes, thats enough. It is good to hear some of this madness is starting to get pulled back in line.

AHH HAA HAAAA!

We be for da freedoms!

Fight them socialisters!

Librals is a bunch of Natzi's!


(sorry)



GOOD

Thanks for the heads up

If you could provide a list of the names of those who voted against and for, with their constituency representated, it would be of much more use.

It's comprehensible to trade freedom for safety. It is only common. No human want chaos in their lives, but only peace to achieve all our common aspirations in life.

Unfortunately, there are some amongst us whom are much more ambitious than others, whom will never hesitate to use all the trick in the book to make humans toe the line, THEIR line, enslaving the rest of us humans who not only seek for safety and order, but FREEDOM to do so as well.

It is not a conondrum, that safety and order will come at the price of freedom. With the power of freedom comes a responsibility for all within societies, to look out for one another.

In the past, without the Nazi Dictatorship Act, aka HSA and TSA, security agencies had serve citizens well. 911 happened was only a lapse in the security agencies failures to take threats seriously and acted often out of self interest to budget constrains. There was no need to implement the NDA, only to have those heads roll ( figuratively) , appoint more qualified persons instead of time puncher on those agencies, whom had historical successes against threats, without giving unconstitutional powers to a new group of public servants and masses giving up more of their freedoms.

With that list of legistor voting record, we will know whom are the constituents whom are fearful and had instructed their representative to vote for continuation of HSA. And from there, through the power of relationship connectivity, to convince them on the blinding dangers of fear and surrender, and to instead to seek for better compromise through responsibility from each other in a society to protect and defend, rather than giving up individual powers to representatives, whom may and had often, never acted in the interest of the masses.

Their votes and rights are sacred. It is their choice. But at the end of day, they must realize what they are giving up for. Today, those names of HSA, TSA and Patriot Acts may sound noble, and its staff patriotic americans, but what about tommorrow when dictatorship status is given to them and casted in stone? The only constant in life is change and people do change. Power corrupts and ABSOLUTE power, unfortunately and sadly, corrupts absolutely.....

Democrats + 1
Republicans - 1

Looks like whoever is in the minority actually votes in favor of the people, maybe it is just political posturing or maybe the Democrats actually care about personal liberties? Either way they get a for their vote this time.

However I would like to note that my asshat Congressman voted in favor of this bill. That does not surprise me though as he is the one who created the TSA.

reply to post by whatukno


It is good to see it might get sunset....when does anything in Washington ever unless it is politically expedient though... for both sides.

It is good to note though, and whatukno would never report it, but there were a good handful of republicans that voted nay and there were a handful of democrats that voted yea.

Here is H.R. 514 for those that want to know. HR 514

OMG!

Its like Deja vu all over again!

I'm so confused

The other thread is the earlier, but this one has garnered the most attention. Guess I'll just re-post my other reply here, just in case...

Originally posted by WTFover
My, oh my, oh my! What a difference in perception a thread title can make.

Let's see how many ways this topic could be titled, without being misleading, but to give the totally opposite impression to the reader...

26 Republicans Vote No, Preventing the Extension of Key Patriot Act Provisions

67 Democrats Vote to Extend Expiring Patriot Act Provisions

More Dems Vote For Than Reps Vote Against Patriot Act Provisions

Patriot Act Elements Just 7 Votes Shy of Passage Because of 67 Democrats' Yea Votes

But, hey, I wouldn't want to appear partisan.

there is one aspect that whatuknow has left out.
the big spat on the floor is not whether to get rid
of the Patriot Act, it's rather HOW LONG those
extensions should take place with BOTH sides
agreeing on keeping the Patriot Act. So don't
let this vote fool you, those who voted opposing
it only wanted to change the duration of it's
effectiveness. They are NOT standing up for
you or me or freedom at all.

reply to post by ownbestenemy


Hi OBE

Here is the link for those that voted and how.

How the vote went down

I still feel this was a BS festival as the bill will pass by simple majority the next time it's brought up.

Nobody should vote for this bill, and everyone should be held accountable, Republican and Democrat.

Best,

Ziggy

reply to post by WTFover



I confused too

I am not sure what you meant

reply to post by whatukno

3 major provisions of the Patriot Act are now gone! Despite a concerted effort by the GOP to extend it.

Yes, this failure to extend the provisions is a huge insult to President Obama from the Democrats!

The White House, meanwhile, said it wanted the expiring measures extended through 2013.

Wired Article

Odd that you failed to mention that part!

Right here we have a great example of bi-partisanship, with Obama and the GOP working together,
while those dang obstructionist Dems remain the party of "No"!

reply to post by WTFover


The point to see is that the majority of what each party did. The majority of House Republicans voted to extend the patriot act, and the majority of House Democrats voted against extending the patriot act.

The Democrats who voted to extend the patriot act should be noted by their constituents and when they come up for re-election. They need to be voted out of office.

And it should be noted that the majority of House Republicans that voted to extend the patriot act don't have your freedom in mind.

This is a good start, but for some reason, I seriously don't think it makes any difference. I get the feeling they do, and always have done what ever they want to. When and if they get caught they cover it up or say OOPs. sorry!

reply to post by ziggystrange


so correct, the bill failed the fast track but it will still pass nonetheless this summer

reply to post by ziggystrange


Absolutely. It is a horrendous piece of legislation but then again, most of what comes out of Washington is.

And excellent point that this vote was to suspend the rules of the house...not vote it down. The good thing is that with this failure, they have to debate it....correct me if I am wrong on that.

Always good to see you ziggy!

If I'm not mistaken but if it failed to pass The House means those provisions are effectively dead. All there is to do now is to fill up the calendar with nonsense and they will die on their own requiring no further action.

For a piece of legislation to advance from one chamber to another it needs to pass that chamber, no passage and a defeat in The House kills these provisions.

Originally posted by whatukno
The point to see is that the majority of what each party did.

That may well be the crux of the problem. We as voters should ignore the letter following the name of the candidate and look at the individual. If it were up to "parties", there would be no votes. The "party" in power would just declare things to be their way and that would be it.

The great majority of politicians chose a party affiliation, based solely on how their district votes and how much money he/she can raise. It is the job of the voter to watch how his or her representative votes. That, my friend, is much more important than a single letter in parenthesis.

Like I indicated, it is too easy to write a damning headline, for the purpose of promoting partisanship and ideology and people need to realize that.

Originally posted by ownbestenemy
reply to post by ziggystrange

 

Absolutely. It is a horrendous piece of legislation but then again, most of what comes out of Washington is.

And excellent point that this vote was to suspend the rules of the house...not vote it down. The good thing is that with this failure, they have to debate it....correct me if I am wrong on that.

Always good to see you ziggy!

Hi OBE,

I understand in the next introduction there can be amendments, I guess that means debating.
The whole thing stinks.

Best,
Ziggy