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The Violence Of Socialist Security

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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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However, one of the reasons why SS was invented was that the private sector was not filling in adequately. This is due at least in part to the change in the social fabric of the US at the time... rural, extended families that did take care of their own elderly were being replaced by urban family systems and the elderly and injured were falling through the cracks.

It is similar to the Trickle Down economic theory. In theory, it should work, and it could work. But in the US at this stage of history, the top few percent of wealth holders are mainly interested in holding onto and increasing their wealth, and paying a decent wage to their workers is not something they consider in those goals. They'd rather ship everything to other countries that have even more miserable working environments and then re-import the crap here because it saves them a few bucks.

So the reality behind the idea of the private sector managing this is that is just does not happen. Be nice if it did, but it doesn't, at least to a sufficient degree.




posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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Socialist Security was invented because the government wanted to loot the retirement savings of individuals.

By forcing people to pay into a government managed program, the federal government now had the ability to skim the cream off of the retirement trusts.

This was the plan from the beginning, but was sold to the public as a tax free way to save for their own future.

It is a violent lie, and anyone who supports it ultimately supports violence against the innocent.

The private sector was, and still is, more than capable of saving for peoples' retirements. All that is needed is for people to freely be able to purchase precious metals or other assets that retain value over time.

The notion that the private sector is incapable of managing retirement accounts is utterly and completely ridiculous.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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You old people that support this current system or think it can be revised are a bunch of thieves.

Armed Robbery

The taking of money or goods in the possession of another, from his or her person or immediate presence, by force or intimidation.

The general elements of robbery are the taking of Personal Property or money from the person or presence of another, the use of actual or constructive force, the lack of consent on the part of the victim, and the intent to steal on the part of the offender. Neither deliberation nor premeditation is necessary, nor is an express demand for the property.


It takes some gall to rob your own grandchildren.



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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:28 PM
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I see the liberals are too ashamed to comment openly and instead star and flag those responses that they feel justify their support of criminal violence against the innocent youth of this nation.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Hey, we agree on something. Fan-freakin-tastic.
Thank you for the insight, post and info. Star and flag.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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No claim was made that the private sector is not capable of this. The fact is, the private sector is (and was) not doing so.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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Horsefeathers. For a while there was a decent conversation going on, then some participants descended into meaningless rhetoric, and I'm bored now.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
reply to post by mnemeth1
 


No claim was made that the private sector is not capable of this. The fact is, the private sector is (and was) not doing so.


If it wasn't doing so, then the public did not see a need for it.

Of course, you are wrong.

The private sector was doing so, and continues to do so, even though the federal government is confiscating vast sums of money that private citizens would be able to dedicate to their own retirement.

People can not save when interest rates are at ZERO (thank you Federal Reserve) and when assets are taxed into oblivion.

Further, many retirement savings were put into home properties, which were subsequently destroyed by the Federal Reserve system.

We can see today that people are scrambling to invest in gold and silver because of the insane reckless looting of our criminal government.

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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
So you can thank me for supporting YOUR grandma.

News flash:

It is not MY job to support YOUR grandma - it is YOUR job slacker.

I'd also like to add that your grandma could have saved for her own retirement if she wasn't looted by a gang of criminal thieves herself.


The woman likely worked her entire life and you have the gaul to whine about her taking back a bit of what she paid in over all those years? How pathetic can you be? Your blatent selfishness and disregard for fellow human beings is sickening and its a damn good job the vast majority are not as arrogant and self serving as yourself.

Lets just hope you dont come a cropper and have to rely on those socialist benefits yourself eh. I surmise your assenine sense of principals would go right out the window. Or, if you starved to death because of the, oh well, one less anus hole in the world.

To sum up the op, me, me, me, me, damn scroungers, me, me, me.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by quackers
The woman likely worked her entire life and you have the gaul to whine about her taking back a bit of what she paid in over all those years? How pathetic can you be? Your blatent selfishness and disregard for fellow human beings is sickening and its a damn good job the vast majority are not as arrogant and self serving as yourself.

Lets just hope you dont come a cropper and have to rely on those socialist benefits yourself eh. I surmise your assenine sense of principals would go right out the window. Or, if you starved to death because of the, oh well, one less anus hole in the world.

To sum up the op, me, me, me, me, damn scroungers, me, me, me.


Grandma elected politicians who spent her retirement savings.

She got the benefit of that spending, I did not.

Now grandma wants to have those same politicians take my retirement savings and hand them to her.

So your argument doesn't even pass the sniff test.

I'm perfectly fine with a person getting back exactly what they paid into socialist security - except that is IMPOSSIBLE because the money no longer exists.

Those who call for violence against their own grandchildren are immoral and evil.


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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:51 PM
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The Violence Of Socialist Security


To be sure, it is not a perfect set up... but nothing is. And, if Social Security is a rip off, then so is every private insurance policy of every conceivable type from every insurance corporation on the planet.

I have no urge to argue the finer points of the imperfection here... but those who have paid into this program all their working lives, there should be no wet willies in government about making sure that those contracts are honored.

As for changing it? That's for another generation to decide...



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by redoubt
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The Violence Of Socialist Security


To be sure, it is not a perfect set up... but nothing is. And, if Social Security is a rip off, then so is every private insurance policy of every conceivable type from every insurance corporation on the planet.

I have no urge to argue the finer points of the imperfection here... but those who have paid into this program all their working lives, there should be no wet willies in government about making sure that those contracts are honored.

As for changing it? That's for another generation to decide...


The difference between socialist security and private insurance is that one is voluntary and the other is not.

Private insurance must not be a rip off otherwise people wouldn't voluntarily pay into it.

Hence, your argument fails.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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Oh my bad. Rather than fixing the system so its fairer for everyone involved and actually serves its purpose in a more efficient manner youd rather bash a pensioner for having the sheer audacity to draw money from the state. The logic is astounding. I know, how about we just do away with the old and infirm, then there will be less reason to tax you right? Got to be easier that growing a sense of social responsability and passing the buck. Why do something about it yourself when you can just blame everyone else.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by quackers
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Oh my bad. Rather than fixing the system so its fairer for everyone involved and actually serves its purpose in a more efficient manner youd rather bash a pensioner for having the sheer audacity to draw money from the state. The logic is astounding. I know, how about we just do away with the old and infirm, then there will be less reason to tax you right? Got to be easier that growing a sense of social responsability and passing the buck. Why do something about it yourself when you can just blame everyone else.


If believing in a peaceful society is wrong, then I stand guilty as charged.

My beliefs are righteous.

Yours, on the other hand, are not.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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No, your beliefs are ignorant. You resent having to pay for societies less than affluent classes via taxation. The alternative is that they be left to fend for themselves and to hell with the consiquencies. Far from being on the side of the riteous, you simply display the apptitude for greed that you seem to be whining about. Its quite comical. Guess you wouldnt know hypocricy if it booted you in the scrotum.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by quackers
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No, your beliefs are ignorant. You resent having to pay for societies less than affluent classes via taxation. The alternative is that they be left to fend for themselves and to hell with the consiquencies. Far from being on the side of the riteous, you simply display the apptitude for greed that you seem to be whining about. Its quite comical. Guess you wouldnt know hypocricy if it booted you in the scrotum.


I'm not the one who wants to have the government hold a gun to my grandchildrens' heads.

Calling for violence against one's own grandchildren requires some serious greed and evil.

Also, you sound like a violent individual.


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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Your benevolent government ensuring your grandchildren pay their fair share of your retirement.




posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1


Your granny was sustained by her electing a politician, who then held a gun to my head.

So you can thank me for supporting YOUR grandma.

News flash:

It is not MY job to support YOUR grandma - it is YOUR job slacker.



You moron, my grandpa and grandma were both Life long conservative christians from Missouri


They both LOVED REAGAN like he was Jesus himself

And Hitler... my Grandma looked after me from the age of 2 til 15, I went to school you Oak, I got a job AT 15
and then contributed to my family. I know in your Natzi world the goal of humanity is to produce for the master producers from cradle to grave, but fortunately this is not the dark ages... ALL HAIL!!!
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:31 PM
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I'm not sure what your grandparents being conservatives from Missouri has to do with violently looting your own grandchildren, but whatever.



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