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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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But Believers your UFO in Jerusalem was proven a hoax. It was assumed to be a Hoax by the MSM.
You know all those article everyone was going around linking to but kept conviently leaving out the section where there was evidence it was a Hoax.

I know its hard to believe. That the "best sighting" in years was fake, and the believers just can't accept it.

When you keep posting the same fake video over and over it kinda makes you guys seem desperate and "cultish." This is the only site that still has members taking it seriously. On other large scale sites people have come to their senses.
Just use logic A light floating above the Holiest place in the world over one of the most holy cities and there are 5 videos. A Lack of witnesses on the ground. If it was there,, don't ya think there have been a bigger affect then a video a day? A HUGE affect?

Most of them are proven hoaxes? Come On KIDS Come on.
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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Now we a topic saying people think they dropped of a "baby alien" or jesus?

Come On Guys...

Serious guys if you UFOlogy to be taken serious you people got to act and think logically.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:10 AM
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The odd thing is, things are called and labeled proof without any such proof of hoax. Just assumptions, on the part of whatever team wants to suppress. And strange logical arguments, such as video 4 was good but why havn't more come forward?
They don't look up and when they see, they don't beleive its anything other than our technology, even when its anomalous. Period. Know that first hand.

Second, if a video is taken of an object, and then 5 other theories are devised to also explain this object, those other 5 are just theories and minus the one witnessing it, and the actual context of the video, because that would eliminate many of the theories, but since we're mostly lacking that info, the theories remain. However having another theory does not = one of those theories being the truth of the situation.

So unless you have proved a person is committing a deliberate fraud and manipulating the video or setting up the object or creating an advertisement campaign, you have NOT proven a hoax, just revealed your stripes.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:18 AM
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Hoax or not a hoax, there is better proof out there of aliens, it usually is by personally experience. Comparing this to T.A.P.S or ghost hunters, they debunk everything and if there is no flaws in video footage a house is haunted. But, when they have a personal experience they may even say the house is haunted.

With that said, having experienced a strange sighting myself, I don't need any more proof.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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By the way, wrap your brain around this and do some deep thinking. This didn't win the prize because it was too alien to even see apparently amongst those competing. Their minds hiccupped on the concept of a vehicle grown from a seed that takes 17 years or so to mature to road worthiness, and the whole growing crafts on a vine pops out, big time. This is disclosure and even more interesting to me that this came out like a tidbit in front of our eyes, than the videos of objects that I personally have witnessed with family very low and have interacted with, not by choice exactly either and not in a way where you can avoid that interaction either, those manning the crafts. But this is the real deal:


2010 Mercedes Benz Biome Concept

www.gizmag.com...

Grown in a lab you say?


And imagine the fleet of crafts AI ones that continue to grow and mature in space.



Its a mind bender!

The Jerusalem "ufo" entity, was a bit of one too mind you.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:24 AM
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There hasn't been any proof it was a hoax. I've got an open mind on the matter but seriously, just someone saying there's proof and when you read "the proof" it's just another opinion is so lame. It's like people believe that if they say something, put it in a headline in upper case with lots of exclamatioon marks that somehow makes it so. Obviously your idea of proof and mine are way off.

I won't believe it's a fake until I see at least five videos, all from different angles and at slightly different times showing the same proof. Even the I'll find some obscure technical reason for not believing it's fake.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:38 AM
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Amen to that s&f


It is sooooo annoying, all the effort in enabling this pathetic hoax could have been put in to some unknown cases all the while. It is just a huge distraction away from many things. Now we have a baby jesus/antichrist mixed up in this hoax. The funny thing is im not shocked at all someone abandoned a baby at such a site after all the hype.

I had no idea there were so many fanatics, delusional unstable and unrealistic people in these circles. There really are a hand full of posters here that take this subject seriously, put hours a day of effort in to the field. Im a believer and experiencer but i have grown skeptical of every UFO claim and case more then ever. Myself I have seen enough to know this subject is real, I just want to know what or who is behind it.

These people arent helping, if anything those covering up the UFO subject have to be happy as ever knowing there are so many people muddying the waters from UFO hoaxers UFO cults charlatans and hoaxers throwing a monkey wrench in to the cog's of researches inner workings.

There are no disinformation operatives, they don't need to payroll anyone when all these lunatics are helping them for free! There are no paid debunkers, just guys like me that want the TRUTH and nothing less. Hoaxes undermine everything, thinking making people believe a hoax is for the greater good is epic FAIL. That wont bring you disclosure rather kindle the fires of confusion and misinformation. UFOLOGY use to be a science and study now it is a religion.

The PTB thank you for your Hoaxing



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It is just a Car

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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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Lack of witnesses on the ground?
Well, let me tell you a short story:

Hery in my town of Sibiu, Romania, we had one september evening a UFO event and you couldn't say it was a small bleeping light far in the sky.
We had a fireball flying at about 200-300 meeters above ground with a size compared to a penny if you keep it at arms length. This craft was patrooling the town for about 3 hours, i saw it 7 times over the course of that evening and why did i see it? Because i like to watch the sky every now and then.

The next day i was expecting to see something in the news but i didn't, why? Because nobody watches the sky too often. Even my friends would have missed it if i wouldn't have told them to look at the big bright star moving slowly.

So yeah ... just tell me why would anyone notice above the dome of the rock if they wouldn't have any intention of looking at it and i bet there are some and they reported their sightings elsewere.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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What about the traffic cam. Im not saying your incorrect but what about the traffic cam pic? Was that hoax as well?
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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IsraelNationalNews.com

Have you guys seen this?



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by AtruthGuy
But Believers your UFO in Jerusalem was proven a hoax. It was assumed to be a Hoax by the MSM.
You know all those article everyone was going around linking to but kept conviently leaving out the section where there was evidence it was a Hoax.

I know its hard to believe. That the "best sighting" in years was fake, and the believers just can't accept it.

When you keep posting the same fake video over and over it kinda makes you guys seem desperate and "cultish." This is the only site that still has members taking it seriously. On other large scale sites people have come to their senses.
Just use logic A light floating above the Holiest place in the world over one of the most holy cities and there are 5 videos. A Lack of witnesses on the ground. If it was there,, don't ya think there have been a bigger affect then a video a day? A HUGE affect?

Most of them are proven hoaxes? Come On KIDS Come on.
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And would you be so kind as to substantiate your claims by directing us to this 'hoax proof'?



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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And would you be so kind as to substantiate your claims by directing us to this 'hoax proof'?


Check out the link above your post...that might be it.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by type0civ
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And would you be so kind as to substantiate your claims by directing us to this 'hoax proof'?


Check out the link above your post...that might be it.


So if I am to understand you correctly, you accept the evidence presented regarding the 3rd video as 'proof' that is is fake and then conclude that the other two must also be faked since the third video - purportedly of the same event - has evidence that is was faked? Is that what you are saying?



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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Not exactly...the third video demonstrates how the first two were faked...If you play the first video you can see the screen pixels which the third shows as it being a video of a video....Right?

Let me add that I liked the Jerusalem video but decided to search Israeli websites to see what they were talking about and that is what I found. (and a World Orgasm Day event being cancelled due to threats--world peace through mass orgasm on the Haaretz site-keyword search ufo)

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed well presented to me.
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by type0civ
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Not exactly...the third video demonstrates how the first two were faked...If you play the first video you can see the screen pixels which the third shows as it being a video of a video....Right?

Let me add that I liked the Jerusalem video but decide to search Israeli websites to see what they were talking about and that is what I found. (and a World Orgasm Day event being cancelled due to threats--world peace through mass orgasm on the Haaretz site-keyword search ufo)

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed well presented to me.


Okay so you are saying that the first 2 videos were made by someone video taping a video screen of a running video? (BTW, when I say "first two" I am referring to the two videos that were taken from quite a distance away, not the one that appears to have used a still picture.) These people found old, 'innocent' videos in which someone had panned the camera exactly as required to 'CGI in' the fake UFO both when descending and rapidly rising? Or are you thinking that the 'base videos' used were purposely made with a hoax in mind, and the camera pans were planned and executed without any UFO at the time? If that was the case then there would be no evidence as you suggest because there was no video of a video involved, right?



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:29 PM
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I don't know how many are out there now, but only the two on the link I provided at the time I found that link. The third video I believe demonstrates that a CGI UFO was added to a still picture of Jerusalem, played back on a large screen maybe and then video taken of that screen. Move the camera around for effect and have your friends talk or download some background chatter and bam---UFO over the Dome of the Rock......I think.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by type0civ
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I don't know how many are out there now, but only the two on the link I provided at the time I found that link. The third video I believe demonstrates that a CGI UFO was added to a still picture of Jerusalem, played back on a large screen maybe and then video taken of that screen. Move the camera around for effect and have your friends talk or download some background chatter and bam---UFO over the Dome of the Rock......I think.


Again - you seem to have missed the point I made earlier about drawing conclusions based on ONE of the THREE available videos. Let me go off on a tangent here for a second...

First, let's start by establishing that there have been, and continue to be, people whose job it is to spread disinformation, discredit witnesses and control public perceptions in accordance with the agendas of their employers around the world. Would you agree? Now let's take a reasonable, hypothetical situation that might be dealt with by such people. Let's say that a number of people have recorded videos of an event that the 'powers that be' wish to make people disbelieve, and that it is already too late for such videos to be destroyed as there are many copies already public. How might you speculate that a 'Disinformation Agent' might go about accomplishing such nullification? What I would do is to quickly make my own video(s) that were easy to prove were faked of the same event and release it/them into the public. People are eager to disprove such disturbing, uncommon events and would readily, if illogically, accept such manipulation as "proof" that the entire event never happened! People who do such things have had centuries to develop and refine such skills and methods. It's like a magician fooling a kid with slight of hand! People buy it hook, line and sinker! Come on people - use your heads, apply some logic. Learn the methods of disinformation and be wary of them.

Here is a link to a good document on disinformation techniques:
www.scribd.com...



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Read the "UFO over Temple Mount" in the HOAX section (and god knows how much it takes for the mods to put something in this part of the forum), you'll have every proofs an "open minded and scientific mind" needs.

But it's hard to read isn't it ?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is nothing more dangerous that a fool who thinks he's wise.
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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Point taken...without a doubt disinfo campaigns are real and active. So then in this case it would be impossible to determine the original videos unless tourists present themselves to nuetral arbitrators with their equipment for analysis. Or the hoaxers do the same...somehow.......So now we're in a vicious cycle of conspiracy either way.

edit to add: I think the disinfo by the gov't on UFO's is over....We do that by ourselves based on what we hold true in our minds....So the campaign would have been a success.
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
And imagine the fleet of crafts AI ones that continue to grow and mature in space.



That might work in space, but around where I live, we have potholes.



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