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Originally posted by budaruskie
Originally posted by FDNY343
reply to post by network dude
Networkdude,
Those cameras are what they call a 360 dome camera, and could be remotely controlled to move in any direction on a vertical axis, and on the horizontal.
(Simmilar to this www.google.com... YfhCYnWgQe--qWWCA&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CEIQ8wIwAg# )
They can also be programmed to swivel to a random point at a certain intervial, or to a specific point. Quite impressive cameras actually.
Now, what you must do, is show that they were pointed in the correct direction for the ~10 seconds that the plane would have been in view, and that they were a camera that was recorded.
Why, why must anyone show you this? How, could anyone show you this?
The people inside the Pentegon KNEW A PLANE WAS COMING, explain why they wouldn't point the cameras at the direction of the plane! It is not the truthers but the OS guys who should be explaining.
I love this, just a few days ago many of you were trying your hardest to convince me that there were no cameras. OOPS! I tried to tell you all you had to do is google cameras at Pentagon and you'd see them, but you guys are just to hard-headed.
how can you determine that this camera only takes stills.? Ive seen video of cameras like these, and they had continuous flow... So prove it
Originally posted by Whereweheaded
The second picture, is a security camera, but those don't take live feed. They take still pictures that are programmed on a time lapse system. We had those cameras in my office bldg, while I was security detail.
The first picture, ( the red circle ), is unclear, and no way can be proven to be a camera of any sort. Could be an antennae, or anything else. If we had a clear, zoomed in pic, that would be different.
I think its a far reaching assumption~
Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by budaruskie
My only question for you?
When I see a plane hit the Pentagon
The above quote is yours, and you claim that if the video showed a plane hit it then you would believe it correct? Then why with the lack of evidence, photo graphic proof, ( ie you cant see a missile, or any other object ), why would you have an opinion to begin with? if you claim, by your logic, that you needed to see a pic or video of a plane hitting the bldg, in order to believe, then wouldn't that suggest you need to see a video or pic of anything else hitting the bldg for you to " believe"? Wouldn't that suggest, that your very view of what happened has no merit? You cant have an opinion or belief of one act, with no evidence to support it, and discount another theory in the same breathe~
....that camera should have captured the impact.. Id bet alot that it ws pointed at the heliport there..
The ones in the Pentagon being released is simple really. Release those, and the location of the cameras can be triangulated. Security camera placement is usually classified. You can also figure out the capabilities of the cameras using their video. You may also be able to find out the manufacturer of the cameras too.
Seems silly to you?
At least we have all reached the point that we all agree that there were indeed cameras covering the area of the Pentagon where the impact ocurred.
It is just a matter of what type of cameras they were, what they recorded (if anything) and where has the footage gone?
Agreed?
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by eyestotheskies
At least we have all reached the point that we all agree that there were indeed cameras covering the area of the Pentagon where the impact ocurred.
It is just a matter of what type of cameras they were, what they recorded (if anything) and where has the footage gone?
Agreed?
Hardly.
You are assuming that the things circled in the photos are cameras, you are further assuming that they were aimed in such a manner on 9/11/2001 that they would have seen the approach/impact of Flight 77 and further assuming that they were connected to recording devices.
That's three nested assumptions in the context of a FOIA specific request wherein the government maintains that there was only one video recording responsive to the request.
Could you please address my earlier post which aludes to Hardys sworn testimony which states that there is video tape footage of the lawn/helipad area of the Pentagon in the vicinity of the impact but only capturing footage from after the impact?
Originally posted by network dude
Why is it still being withheld? National security?
A common way video analytics are done is using a series of pre-sets and performing analytics at each pre-set compared to the previous scene at the pre-set. For instance, let's say you have a front entrance, and a vehicle entrance and you want to alert if a person is detected at either. You could set up 2 pre-sets, 1 at each location and then set at a timer for the camera to stay at each pre-set for a few seconds. There's a serious security issue in that an incident can occur while the camera is at a different pre-set. Also, since the camera needs to re-learn the background, many manufacturers require the cameras to stay at a pre-set for 5 seconds or more.
Over the years, a few vendors have claimed to perform analytics across a scanning PTZ (in motion) but I would be careful about its performance .
John Honovich
There's a serious security issue in that an incident can occur while the camera is at a different pre-set.
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by eyestotheskies
Could you please address my earlier post which aludes to Hardys sworn testimony which states that there is video tape footage of the lawn/helipad area of the Pentagon in the vicinity of the impact but only capturing footage from after the impact?
Fine, could you please link me to the Hardy testimony? Your earlier post only refers to Hardy in the other agents affadavit.
You already know what Hardy and Jacqueline Maguire have had to say on the matter. You are well versed in all the details but are just being obstructive yet again.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by boondock-saint
"RC airplanes" is a bunch of baloney.....it is SO fringe, that even the most ardent and rabid "truthers' shy away from it!!
AND, I've expounded at great lengths, already, on just why and how "RC airplanes" is completely implausible.
But, one quick PROOF that there were human pilots in the cockpit is from the Flight Data Recorder (SSFDR).
There are certain knobs that were rotated, and other buttons pushed, to control some instrument and navigation displays, that are absolute proof of humans having done the manipulations. In the extreme and impractical fantasy of "remote control" there simply would have been NO NEED for such things to occur....as, they only affected what someone, IN the cockpit, would SEE in front of him, on the instrument panels....
I've ..... read reports that the data retrieved was partial and unreliable at best, and non existent at worst.
AAL 77 Navigation System Activity
Figure 3 shows the VOR stations tuned to by the two VOR receivers on American Flight 77.
The EFIS mode determines the type of display shown on the EHSI. During the initial part of
the flight, the EFIS is in “MAP” mode. In this mode, the EHSI displays an airplane symbol
pointed towards the top of the display, with the magnetic heading and track shown in a
partial compass rose at the top of the display. Various points of interest - VOR stations,
fixes, airports, and so on - can be displayed in their correct position relative to the airplane.
The planned and projected route of flight can also be displayed in the MAP mode. The
range of the MAP mode can be adjusted from 5 miles to 160 nautical miles, depending on
the detail or scale of map required.
At about 09:08:20, the display switched to VOR mode;....
The points during the flight at which the VOR receivers were tuned to new frequencies are
shown on the map in Figure 2 as yellow diamonds. The points shown occur after the
hijackers took control of the cockpit. Lines from the airplane flight path to the stations
indicate the VOR stations tuned by the left and right VOR receivers. The point on the flight
path from which the lines originate are the points at which the station was first tuned, i.e., the
points at which the VOR station frequency selected by each receiver changed.
Note that while the EFIS was initially in MAP mode, the left and right VOR receivers were
tuned to stations whose bearings from the airplane differed by about 90 degrees, at the time
at which the VOR station pairs were changed. This illustrates the method the system uses
for obtaining VOR position fixes to update the INS.
During the turn back to the east, the frequency of the right VOR receiver was set to 111.0
MHz, corresponding to the VOR station located at Washington Reagan National Airport
(DCA). At the time the DCA frequency was selected, the station was too far away for its
signals to be received by the receiver.
The 9/11 Commission Report backs the FBI's story, flatly stating: "The CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175 were not found."
According to the 9/11 Commission Report, the cockpit voice recorders (CVR) or flight data recorders (FDR), or "black boxes", from Flights 11 and 175 were not recovered from the remains of the WTC attack; however, two men, Michael Bellone and Nicholas DeMasi, who worked extensively in the wreckage of the World Trade Center, stated in the book Behind-The-Scenes: Ground Zero[143] that they helped federal agents find three of the four "black boxes" from the jetliners:[144][145] "At one point I was assigned to take Federal Agents around the site to search for the black boxes from the planes. We were getting ready to go out. My ATV was parked at the top of the stairs at the Brooks Brothers entrance area. We loaded up about a million dollars worth of equipment and strapped it into the ATV. There were a total of four black boxes. We found three."[146] The cockpit voice recorder from Flight 77 was heavily damaged from the impact and resulting fire. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, both black boxes from Flight 77 and both black boxes from Flight 93 were recovered. However, the CVR from Flight 77 was said to be too damaged to yield any data. On April 18, 2002, the FBI allowed the families of victims from Flight 93 to listen to the voice recordings.[147] In April 2006, a transcript of the CVR was released as part of the Zacarias Moussaoui trial.[148]