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AN INVITATION TO A CHALLENGE: Reconciling Physics, Mathematics, The Occult, and Epistemology, throug

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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:36 AM
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AN INVITATION TO A CHALLENGE: Reconciling the following

-Physics (Quantum Mechanics, Heisenberg's Indeterminacy Principle, self-observing universe)
-Mathematics (Meta-mathematics, Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem, self-reference, circularity)
-The Occult (Kabbalah, Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Ouroboros: the serpent eating itself, creation/genesis)
-and Epistemology (Theory of Knowledge, self-awareness, consciousness)

through the structurally equivalent paradoxes related to all the aforementioned, namely, the "logic-loop".

I'm sure there are scientists and mathematicians in these forums.
I'm sure there are initiates of the Occult in these forums.
I'm sure there are philosophers of various levels in these forums.

I am not a scientist nor mathematician by profession.
I am neither an initiate of the occult, nor am I a philosopher.

I am currently a film and tv producer (showbiz, LOL).

My life is strange to say the least.

I have been studying the nature of experience ever since I was capable of asking questions (around 3 to 4 years old):

What is consciousness?
Why do I exist?
How is self-perception at all possible?

I also asked the other lesser questions, questions that are physic-mechanical in nature:

What are the rules of geometry?
How do I get from an axiom to a theorem?
If space is optimally filled with solid spheres up to infinity, what is the percentage of the remaining empty space, and how would the answer change if the dimension is greater than 3, or if space is closed, open, curved, or flat? LOL
Do I even possess the tools to answer these questions?
If not, can I, using the most basic of all thoughts, construct the tools from scratch by myself so I can answer these questions?

In these self-studies, I found a mixture of different types of experiences that force me to make the conjecture:

Science and the Occult are connected by the same process.

This is an invitation to all the scientists here, including those who have in-depth knowledge of physics:

quantum mechanics
Heisenberg's Indeterminacy Principle
string theory
"theories of everything"

This is an invitation to all the mathematicians here, including those who know their way around the following:

meta-mathematics
Gödel's incompleteness theorem
Gregory Chaitin's omega number

This is an invitation to all the computer scientists, including those who are familiar with the following:

halting problem
artificial intelligence
Searle's Chinese room
artificial consciousness

This is an invitation to the initiates of the occult, who I also respect. I realize the occult's relevance in the shaping of our world:

Abraham
King Solomon
Thoth
Hermes Trismegistus
Pythagoras
Jesus Christ
the current "world order"

They shape our world today and its future direction is largely the result of the forces behind these teachings.

And finally those whose interest is more encompassing - Epistemology, "the theory of knowledge":

How do we come to know what we know?
How is it possible to be aware that we are aware?
What did Werner Heisenberg have to say about it?
What did Kurt Gödel have to say about it?
What did Hermes Trismegistus have to say about it?

Let this be a place where we allow reality to open up to us, and let it reveal itself to us. Let scientific rigor, and a sensitivity to the internal workings of our own thoughts, be our guide.

Let this be a fruitful, thoughtful discussion. Pry things open so the most basic of laws may be revealed.

Non-specialists are encouraged… no… urged, to join. Please ask clear and concise questions. Dig into the heart of matters.

Does the world deserve to know these gems? From an occult perspective, should these "pearls be cast before swine"?

Or should it remain hidden? "Milk for babes, meat for strong men" ?

I humbly submit these things to all of you, those who have "ears to hear, and eyes to see."

"The lips of wisdom are sealed, except to the ears of understanding"
-the Kybalion (by the way, is this really authentic occult literature?)

Okay enough of the quotes LOLOL...
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:45 AM
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I have nothing useful to add but to say hmmmmmm you are really searching eh?

I am interested to see where this goes.......i am unsatisfied with my current knowledge in life as well.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:49 AM
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answering questions on the amount of empty space in the universe would be tricky for even hawkings, but i can give you one small fact that you may or may not already know: If all the empty space was taken out of the entire human race then we would fit inside a box the size of a sugar cube and if all the empty space was taken out of the earth and all its contents then the earth would fit into a box the size of a small to medium car.

do you mind me asking what type of shows/movies it is that you direct, are any well known and if so then what is your most successful show/movie to date.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by The Great Day
you are really searching eh?


In the back of our minds, aren't we all?

If there's such a thing as a research orgy, I'm hoping this to be one :-)



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by lewman
answering questions on the amount of empty space in the universe would be tricky for even hawkings, but i can give you one small fact that you may or may not already know: If all the empty space was taken out of the entire human race then we would fit inside a box the size of a sugar cube and if all the empty space was taken out of the earth and all its contents then the earth would fit into a box the size of a small to medium car.


Is it also possible that everything is "empty space"? And that space is really not empty?


Originally posted by lewman
do you mind me asking what type of shows/movies it is that you direct, are any well known and if so then what is your most successful show/movie to date.


Apologies I can't answer that question, and I think it's irrelevant to the thread... I hope you understand :-(



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:12 AM
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When (IF) the specialists start coming in, I hope you guys start asking your questions...



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:14 AM
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To be fair, any person who has a true sense of the occult would not really bring forth any information here.

It's always 'Us', and 'them'. And they never know which of those you are.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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I do not believe I am qualified in any of these areas to answer the answers you seek. I do not know if anyone is. The main topics I have dabble involve the occult. The tiny bit I have studied of the enormous body of literature has been interesting to say the least. From my reading the early mystery schools held mathematics as the highest science, and proof of the intricacies of the higher powers. Many of the most famous mathematicians, physicists, and chemists have also been occultists. Kaabalah for example is closely related with math, and astronomy. Thoth-Hermes-Mercury thrice great is credited with writing twenty or thirty thousand books, and starting all the fields of knowledge. I think up until the 1700s the scientific and the occult were intimately related to each other. Once the church fell the lumped mass of unapproved knowledge gained free expression. Sadly, the occult side that was so important to many a great thinker has been cast away by many scientists as superstition. The physical world has been held to be the only truth, and without adequate evidence in this realm all other theories are ignored.
In my opinion the occult meditation and contemplation feed one part of humans. Physics, mathematics, and other sciences help the mind understand the amazing creation we dwell in. The more our minds accept that we are unable to intellectually grasp every aspect of reality the more our hearts look to a different path. This involves letting go of the need for the mind to comprehend all reality, and accept that we have other means to discover truth. It is a combination of both intellectually understanding, and reaching past that understanding to a deeper innate part of the human being.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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Americanists


You'll find information inside those blogs (click on the Celtic fingerprint as well).

As additional reference (youtube or google search terms):

Dale Pond - Keely, SVP
Marko Rodin - (look for a 44pt Lecture Series) Vortex Math Model
Nassim Haramein - Vector Based Geometry



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by WraithXV
To be fair, any person who has a true sense of the occult would not really bring forth any information here.

It's always 'Us', and 'them'. And they never know which of those you are.


:-)

I smile a satisfied smile



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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The reconcilaition has already been achieved in pioneering research by theoretical physicist Dr Stephen Phillips. Read his remarkable book "The mathematical connection between religion and science" (available from Amazon.com) and spend the next year studying at:
smphillips.8m.com...
his amazing research material and articles that connect (among other things) Pythagorean mathematics, superstring theory, Kabbalah, the teachings of Theosophy, the remote viewing work of Theosophists Annie Besant & C.W. Leadbeater, the sacred geometries of religions, the seven diatonic musical scales, the human DNA and skeleton, the Platonic solids, and Plato's Lambda. Discover how the mathematical nature of all superphysical levels of reality are encoded in sacred geometries. Learn how the group symmetry of superstring forces and the space-time structure of E8xE8 heterotic superstrings is encoded in these mathematical maps. At this website is revealed the mathematical meaning of the ancient Hebrew Names of God, including the beautiful manner in which they prescribe the dynamics and structure of superstrings. If you wish to discover the mathematical paradigm underlying all holistic systems - how this universal pattern manifests in many natural phenomena but which has remained unrecognized up till recently - spend some time at this website discovering the wonderful meeting point of science, religion and the occult. It's truly paradigm-shifting work.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:35 AM
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Let us get right to the "meat" of most subjects. What is "your" precise definition of "gravity"?



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by micpsi
The reconcilaition has already been achieved in pioneering research by theoretical physicist Dr Stephen Phillips. Read his remarkable book "The mathematical connection between religion and science" (available from Amazon.com) and spend the next year studying at:
smphillips.8m.com...


Yes I'm still going through his material :-)



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by G.A.G.
Let us get right to the "meat" of most subjects. What is "your" precise definition of "gravity"?


Honestly I have no Idea.

All I know is that:

It's a vector field in some kind of space.
It affects mass, whatever "mass" means.
Mass affects it.

Considering everything in the universe, it probably sums up to zero alongside mass/energy.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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Mathematics is a certain kind of box - certain rituals, witches brews, lights, reflections, incantations etc. etc. change the spot from which we observe the universe (IE. change the spot from which the universe observes itself) and this knocking about of observational nature has an equal chance of causing the following - a ghostly rider, a love affair, a supernova, a depression (personal or economic), self-awareness in a robot... trust me - moon gazing, swamp running, and skinny dipping are more effective methods than meditation or acrobatics.

To summarize, reconcile... math is a like matchbox, philosophy is a fire, ghosts and angels live in your eyes. Period star and snow.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by laymanskeptic

Originally posted by micpsi
The reconcilaition has already been achieved in pioneering research by theoretical physicist Dr Stephen Phillips. Read his remarkable book "The mathematical connection between religion and science" (available from Amazon.com) and spend the next year studying at:
smphillips.8m.com...


Yes I'm still going through his material :-)


There are others too... they all have their unique flavors



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by laymanskeptic

Originally posted by G.A.G.
Let us get right to the "meat" of most subjects. What is "your" precise definition of "gravity"?


Honestly I have no Idea.

All I know is that:

It's a vector field in some kind of space.
It affects mass, whatever "mass" means.
Mass affects it.

Considering everything in the universe, it probably sums up to zero alongside mass/energy.

Please kindly tell us all, why then if hydrogen is the most abundant element in our atmosphere...then why is it we "dont" use it for propelling all means of transportation?



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by SevenBeans

change the spot from which the universe observes itself) and this knocking about of observational nature has an equal chance of causing the following - a ghostly rider, a love affair, a supernova, a depression (personal or economic), self-awareness in a robot... trust me - moon gazing, swamp running, and skinny dipping are more effective methods than meditation or acrobatics.


I recognize your thoughts in mine :-)



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by G.A.G.

Originally posted by laymanskeptic

Originally posted by G.A.G.
Let us get right to the "meat" of most subjects. What is "your" precise definition of "gravity"?


Honestly I have no Idea.

All I know is that:

It's a vector field in some kind of space.
It affects mass, whatever "mass" means.
Mass affects it.

Considering everything in the universe, it probably sums up to zero alongside mass/energy.

Please kindly tell us all, why then if hydrogen is the most abundant element in our atmosphere...then why is it we "dont" use it for propelling all means of transportation?


In the universe it's hydrogen, but Isn't nitrogen the most abundant in our atmosphere? I could be wrong though.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:57 AM
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Thanks for the link :-)




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