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Originally posted by resistancia
We can not change their ill conceived ideologies and views on women (and other aspects of law) but we must
ensure that Sharia Law is NEVER allowed to be introduced into our western societies where Moslems have integrated.
Originally posted by lee anoma
Originally posted by nightbringr
I dont think we can read too much into the arrests until we know how they are dealt with.
There were plenty of people calling for the perpetrators arrest and how they got away with this murder, now that they have been arrested, the goal post is moved to "punishment".
Sharia law is nothing more than insecure men wanting to keep their women on a tight leash, and those advocating its use should feel the sting of the whip they would so handily use against their own wives, daughters and others.
I'm glad they made it illegal.
I have to wonder how the apologists here treat their wives and daughters? To not see how terribly wrong this is is so beyond my comprehension.
I have to wonder at the mental state of someone who blames an entire race, and religion on the actions of one village. Consequently those actions were illegal and lead to an arrest.
I also call into question your judgments on who or what is an "apologist".
Carefully reading my post would show my feelings on the matter.
Carefully reading seems to be the main problem in this thread.
I think the problem is the rush to anger when it comes to Muslims, Jews, Liberals, Conservatives or whatever enemy we have up for the week. This thread has called for the area to be bombed, the race wiped out, and every there dead because they assumed that the preps were congratulated for their actions and not arrested.
Originally posted by 15FORreal
Jesus H...whatnis wrong with the ppl over there D:
Doesn't qualify ... 14yr old not married, merely promised ... adulterer/male adult is married to his former victim (age 13) by order of the court.
Besides, she was ordered 101 lashes ... What is that about?
when i first read it, the infamous phrase "and one to grow on" crossed my mind ... sure would like to understand the emphasis of the 1 extra, which she never survived to endure.
these were quoted by the previous poster you claim misunderstood.
again, why wasn't the adulterer punished equally and immediately? even you posted the commandment ... "you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes." --> am i missing something here?
so, are you saying his wife (at 13 or 14) actually had a choice?
what you indicate is that she could have refused him but would eventually marry AN adulterer sometime in her life. ~~ I don't believe that for a NY minute.
ok, a culture built around, ruled by and manipulated within the confounds of Islamic practices, some extreme, some not. In many dictionaries, this type of activity is referred to as a cult.
all organized religions are complex, that is how they maintain control, whereas spirituality is natural, never forced, seldom rigorous, occasionally challenging yet always fulfilling ... each day, every encounter (good and bad) leads to a learning experience which hopefully encourages each individual to learn more about themselves within their spirituality, their dimensional boundaries and their willingness or lack thereof to be a conqueror of those boundaries.
yes, we are magnificently complex creatures indeed
Originally posted by getreadyalready
I just cannot imagine it. It is really beyond normal comprehension.
Even if I could wrap my mind around the motivations of the rapist and the twisted logic of the court, I could never get my mind around the father going along with the punishment. Any father that doesn't die trying to stop something this absurd is un-human. Mother's too. Sure, the mother is indoctrinated into the culture, but it should be humanly impossible to stand idly by and watch this happen, especially for the parents of the girl.
It goes beyond religion and culture. I don't care where or how you are raised, all humans know that you do not allow this to happen to your off-spring. Wild animals wouldn't even allow it.
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Is this true?
They invested billions in promoting this form of Islam OUTSIDE of Saudi Arabia too?
Can you supply a link with some information on that?
I'd love to read about it
I know you didn't say outside, but I assume that's what you meant. - thx
Originally posted by nightbringr
Yes, it has moved to the "punishment" catagory, but that doesnt mean anything. What if they are released with a slap on the wrist? We cannot assume anything until we know the punishment served.
I think the point you are missing is how women are treated as a whole in these countries.
Unfortunately this common sense seems to be in short supply.
Originally posted by SecondComing
Happens in the largest church in the world -- the Catholic Church. Priests rape little boys, girls, women, men. Rarely is it acknowledged. If it is found out, the Chruch buys its way out of the scandal. With the thousands (probably millions) of priests who raped their "flock", I'm not sure that anyone has gone to Jail.
Why would anyone continue to go to the Catholic Church???