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14yr Old Rape Victim Beaten to Death by Islamic Court

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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by gallopinghordes
reply to post by MavRck
 


You make some excellent points; in every culture it seems as though the women and girls are the ones who pay a very real price. It's as though it's okay for males to do as they please and the woman or girl who is the one called names or in cases such as this pay with their lives. Although in the Western culture it doesn't go to that extreme resulting in the victim's death, rape victims here have often said that they were raped again by the legal system. And, it's also true that in social situations men who play the field so to speak are looked upon as studs where as the women are called vile names usually by the men who had relations with them.

The double standard is alive and well in our own culture and is visible everyday. How many times have we heard comments such as "Well, she should have kept her legs together.", "her baby; my maybe" and the list goes on.

This is tragic and takes the double standard to extremes and I join in wondering how it could happen. It's wrong and there is no way to justify it. However, lest the Muslim bashing begin I would remind all that it isn't all Muslims who behave in this fashion. It is my hope that those men and women who joined in this action or who stood by and let it happen rot for eternity in a very very hot place.


Yes they do pay with their lives frequently - as the girls kidnapped by Western investors to Western brothels can prove. White slavery and trafficking seems to be a huge problem in Western capitalism, and not in Muslim culture.

You can point at places like Scandinavia where women are more protected. Also, many traditional societies - such as most Native Americans - would not let people rape women without serious repercussions - e.g. ostracism from the tribe.




posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by MavRck
Stuff like that happens in the deep south too, just not involving the courts stoning anyone to death.

Instead, the case is kept under wraps, and the accused walks away into his pent-house and the family continues to suffer thinking their daughter was a whore.



You're out of your ever-lovin' mind.

I'm from one of those "backwards places" in the south you're attempting to villify here. We may be savage barbarians to you, but that ain't the way it works at all. Such rapes HAVE occurred there, just like they did in some of the more northerly places I've lived. The difference is in those "backwards barbaric" places in the south, the general result is a guy going out for a quart of milk who never comes home, and leaves no trail, and a new cow buried in a pasture somewhere.

Decidedly NOT the villification of the victim you are suggesting here.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:23 PM
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These people are complete orthodox.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Ufokrazy
These people are complete orthodox.


Indeed they are, but being a complete Orthodox in Islam is whhat is expected of any muslim, it isn't a grey area that can be interperated differently like Orthodox Christianity or Orthodox Judaism. If you are not a completely Orthodox muslim you are an apostate to Islam, and will be going to Hell (according to them). Look up the many Fatwa's concerning apostatism in Islam, and the hadith's that back them up.

A muslim has no choice but to be completely orthodox unless they want to incur the wrath of Allah.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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Sorry but this race/religion needs to be removed from our planet. They are completely f'd in the head.
Can you imagine going through such a traumatic event just to be beaten by what included family, and whipped by your nation/people to the point you die. They really talk about Americans as infidels, I'm staring to see us as the light/good while the represent dark/bad. I say pack 'em all up, keep them in there own country to destroy themselves.on that note WTF is wrong with all those middle east countries.
Sorry to sound like a redneck but this story just chaps my hide. I remember traveling through Europe a few months back. There was a crazy amount of middle easterners, and what irritated the he'll out of me was young couples. The man in the marriage was all Americanized out saggy drawers all round hip hop. The women are all mousey and covered head to toe in a sheet, nothing but the eye were uncovered. WHAT THE HELL IS THAT CRAP ABOUT?!
(steps off soap box)



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by nonetruegod
reply to post by lee anoma
 


I did actually miss this part and have a new found massive respect for the Bangladeshi government.

The court in Bangladeshi already ruled that SHARIAH is ILLEGAL.
That should have made a lot of people happy, but I think you stopped reading after the first paragraph.



I just wanted to point it out because so many have go into anti-Muslim rants and run off-topic arguing Islam vs Christianity that they either missed that part of the article, or are ignoring it so that they can get some things off their chest.

With so many people saying they have a problem with Islam BECAUSE of Shariah law, I was surprised that none of them were praising this step that the government of Bangladeshi took in order to stop these archaic punishments taking place in villages. It isn't something universally accepted, the perpetrators have been arrested, and the punishment is illegal.

Hardly anyone is commending that aspect of the article at all, and instead are just condemning Muslims in general and claiming Christianity is the only way.

- Lee



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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I'm appalled!

Why can't this law protect their children? Or any victim?

What kind of back-to-front law is it anyway which punishes the victim of a crime?

The 'people' who live by this sharia law thing, why do they have to be so diabolical and barbaric?

They convict without trial, and carry out death sentences of cruel and slow torture. Why?

Animals behave better, and they protect their young.

Sharia law is not a law for human beings.
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by Hr2burn
Sorry but this race/religion needs to be removed from our planet. They are completely f'd in the head.


^
Case and point.

This person wants to destroy the entire race of the perpetrators, and the religion, even though the country has arrested them as criminals because their acts were illegal.

Who is up for a little genocide?

Finish reading the whole article...then post.

- Lee



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by doobydoll
I'm appalled!
Imagine how terrified and insecure this child must be feeling right now.
Why can't their law protect their children? Or any victim?


Sigh...READ the whole article.
They were arrested. Shariah is illegal there.
This village acted on it's own not in conjunction with the government.

They didn't know it was happening.
When they did they acted.

It wasn't legal.

Asking why their laws cannot protect children from a village of twisted misguided individuals is like asking why the law in the U.S. doesn't protect the children and women that were abused by that Mormon group in Utah where the whole city was in on letting women and girls be treated as property with no one to turn to because even the Mayor was doing it.

Why can't the law protect the innocent children dying everyday in the inner city from violence in the U.S.?

- Lee



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by nonetruegod
reply to post by lee anoma
 


I did actually miss this part and have a new found massive respect for the Bangladeshi government.

The court in Bangladeshi already ruled that SHARIAH is ILLEGAL.
That should have made a lot of people happy, but I think you stopped reading after the first paragraph.



I just wanted to point it out because so many have go into anti-Muslim rants and run off-topic arguing Islam vs Christianity that they either missed that part of the article, or are ignoring it so that they can get some things off their chest.

With so many people saying they have a problem with Islam BECAUSE of Shariah law, I was surprised that none of them were praising this step that the government of Bangladeshi took in order to stop these archaic punishments taking place in villages. It isn't something universally accepted, the perpetrators have been arrested, and the punishment is illegal.

Hardly anyone is commending that aspect of the article at all, and instead are just condemning Muslims in general and claiming Christianity is the only way.

- Lee


What? The topic and argument is about Islam, it's failings and the hypocrisy there in, as far as I am aware? What has it got to do with the Bangledeshi Government dealing with those who perpetrated this? Do those muslims now think shariah law is wrong because "oh my, it's clear we were wrong, look, the Bangledeshi Government has told us it is!"

I think you should take your own advice a read the topic more closely.


As for you ignorant people that think "they should all be rounded up and killed", perhaps you should take a look at this page:

linky


EDIT: I forgot to say that I advocate no religion, and I hate Islam, not the poor souls that follow it and know no better.
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by AmatuerSkyWatcher

Originally posted by h_jordan
As an arab, Ex-Muslim, i will add my 2 cents, this isn't Islam and not Sharia Law, i am the last person in the world that would defend Islam, i left it behind long ago and i think nothing good will come from any religion but truth must be told, Islam doesn't say in any of it's scripts that what they have done in this case is correct, the poor kid, these people are sick and $ucked up mentaly.


Doesn't it?

"Adultery

[24:2] The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out GOD's law, if you truly believe in GOD and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty.

[24:3] The adulterer will end up marrying an adulteress or an idol worshiper, and the adulteress will end up marrying an adulterer or an idol worshiper. This is prohibited for the believers.

[24:4] Those who accuse married women of adultery, then fail to produce four witnesses, you shall whip them eighty lashes, and do not accept any testimony from them; they are wicked.

[24:5] If they repent afterwards and reform, then GOD is Forgiver, Merciful.

[24:6] As for those who accuse their own spouses, without any other witnesses, then the testimony may be accepted if he swears by GOD four times that he is telling the truth.

[24:7] The fifth oath shall be to incur GOD's condemnation upon him, if he was lying.

[24:8] She shall be considered innocent if she swears by GOD four times that he is a liar.

[24:9] The fifth oath shall incur GOD's wrath upon her if he was telling the truth.

[24:10] This is GOD's grace and mercy towards you. GOD is Redeemer, Most Wise. "


I won't even go into the many Hadith's that call for worse measures than this upon an "adulterss" woman. And yes, muslims view rape as the woman tempting the man into wickedness....

Lets not foget, it was the lashes that killed this young girl!
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well my friend,

this one:

[24:4] Those who accuse married women of adultery, then fail to produce four witnesses, you shall whip them eighty lashes, and do not accept any testimony from them; they are wicked.

in order to accuse a couple of adultery you need four witnesses, they must see the male's penis into the female's vagaina, (porn vids aside) how often do you see that in life??!, it isn't enough to see them naked, not enough to see them #ing, you need to see his penis into her vagaina, four people should see it not only one, very hard conditions.

now this one:

24:2] The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out GOD's law, if you truly believe in GOD and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty

in case you proved the adultery then the islamic court should make the decision of either kill both (Married) (search the whole Quran and you will not find the Killing punishment, it was removed form Quran by Mohammad or his companions, scholars refer to Hadith instead of Quran here which is also wrong in Islam - ah you know the goat story
it is very funny, i don't believe it myself), or wipe them (Unmarried).

this one:

[24:3] The adulterer will end up marrying an adulteress or an idol worshiper, and the adulteress will end up marrying an adulterer or an idol worshiper. This is prohibited for the believers.

it does not mean that the court or any one should force adulterers to marry each other, it means something like: bad guys attract each other, an adulterer will end up marrying and adulterer because they are alike, they will attract each other.

adultery is a sin in Islam that's why you have punishments for adulterers, but what we have here is very different case, the poor little kid was raped, she is not considered guilty in Sharia Law, she shouldn't be punished, in these cases culture gets mixed up with religion, for example, the court would ask the guy to marry the girl, why? culturally the girl (eventhough not guilty) is considered a shame for her family she is not virigin and she is not married, no other guy in the that culture would marry her, thats why they suggest that the guy who raped her must marry her, sometimes they force him to do, this is not Islam, this is culture.

Islam is very complex religion, Quran in itself is a messed up book, it is very open to interpretations, you can find anything you want there, sounds like mohammad was documenting life events in his era, so you find everything in these documents, bad, good, contradictions... etc, fyi, Mulsims don't really understand thier own religion, they don't read quran nor do they read its interpretations, actually it is very boring to read, most muslims are deluded into thinking that islam is the Hit, the best and the only true religion, they don't bother to check what they believe in, if i decided to study islam, i will simply spend a lifetime reading all the interpretaions of Quran, then Hadith, then the interpretations of Hadith, then Sira; Mohammads life, then hundreds of books, interpretations, thousands of hadith and thier iterpretations..etc, no one in his/her mind is really willing to give that time and effort, it is much easier to believe that it is true and follow it and support it, you get a sheeple.


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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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I like you how you took my statement out of context to try and prove me wrong, while at the same time proved my point for me.

These Muslims felt comfortable pulling this crap because........
ISLAM IS THE BIGGEST RELIGION IN BANGLADESH.

Just like I said in my post you slaughtered, Muslims in Islam-heavy countries pull this crap because they can or think they can.

So people can see for themselves my post you chopped up.
reply to post by Byteman
 


I admit I said middle-east, but it really applies to any Muslim-majority country.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by nonetruegod
reply to post by lee anoma
 


I did actually miss this part and have a new found massive respect for the Bangladeshi government.

The court in Bangladeshi already ruled that SHARIAH is ILLEGAL.
That should have made a lot of people happy, but I think you stopped reading after the first paragraph.



I just wanted to point it out because so many have go into anti-Muslim rants and run off-topic arguing Islam vs Christianity that they either missed that part of the article, or are ignoring it so that they can get some things off their chest.

With so many people saying they have a problem with Islam BECAUSE of Shariah law, I was surprised that none of them were praising this step that the government of Bangladeshi took in order to stop these archaic punishments taking place in villages. It isn't something universally accepted, the perpetrators have been arrested, and the punishment is illegal.

Hardly anyone is commending that aspect of the article at all, and instead are just condemning Muslims in general and claiming Christianity is the only way.

- Lee


I dont think we can read too much into the arrests until we know how they are dealt with.

The main point to be taken from this is even in Muslim countries without sharia law, sharia law often tends to rule in the tribal regions. There are many cases of this type of thing happening and i could post article after article from the internet of this thing taking place.

In places where sharia law does rule, it is very common if not expected for the victim to be punished for the simple crimes of being out in public or being seen with a male not related to them. This is savage and barbaric to the extreme, and must be stopped. Women in these countries are treated worse than animals and violence towards them is often condoned or in the very least turned a blind eye to.

I dont blame Islam persay, but i do blame the culture. Sharia law is nothing more than insecure men wanting to keep their women on a tight leash, and those advocating its use should feel the sting of the whip they would so handily use against their own wives, daughters and others.

I have to wonder how the apologists here treat their wives and daughters? To not see how terribly wrong this is is so beyond my comprehension.





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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:56 PM
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Am i supposed to think Roman Catholics are peace loving?

They love a good skull smashing more than anyone.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by Risen
Am i supposed to think Roman Catholics are peace loving?

They love a good skull smashing more than anyone.


Please link me an article about Roman Catholics doing anything even close to this level of savagery in the last 90 years. Anything.

That being said, i depise Roman Catholicism but i simply do not see your point.

I suppose some christian on christian violence in Northern Ireland might be pretty bad, but i want you to show me somthing where a Roman Catholic family savagely tortured and killed one of their own, and most importantly in the name of god.


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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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I can't believe that anyone will do that.To me they are just pigs maybe thats why they cant eat pork because that would be thought of as cannibalism.Well it's happened and they are lesser people for doing it.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by h_jordan

Originally posted by AmatuerSkyWatcher

Originally posted by h_jordan
As an arab, Ex-Muslim, i will add my 2 cents, this isn't Islam and not Sharia Law, i am the last person in the world that would defend Islam, i left it behind long ago and i think nothing good will come from any religion but truth must be told, Islam doesn't say in any of it's scripts that what they have done in this case is correct, the poor kid, these people are sick and $ucked up mentaly.


Doesn't it?

"Adultery

[24:2] The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out GOD's law, if you truly believe in GOD and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty.

[24:3] The adulterer will end up marrying an adulteress or an idol worshiper, and the adulteress will end up marrying an adulterer or an idol worshiper. This is prohibited for the believers.

[24:4] Those who accuse married women of adultery, then fail to produce four witnesses, you shall whip them eighty lashes, and do not accept any testimony from them; they are wicked.

[24:5] If they repent afterwards and reform, then GOD is Forgiver, Merciful.

[24:6] As for those who accuse their own spouses, without any other witnesses, then the testimony may be accepted if he swears by GOD four times that he is telling the truth.

[24:7] The fifth oath shall be to incur GOD's condemnation upon him, if he was lying.

[24:8] She shall be considered innocent if she swears by GOD four times that he is a liar.

[24:9] The fifth oath shall incur GOD's wrath upon her if he was telling the truth.

[24:10] This is GOD's grace and mercy towards you. GOD is Redeemer, Most Wise. "


I won't even go into the many Hadith's that call for worse measures than this upon an "adulterss" woman. And yes, muslims view rape as the woman tempting the man into wickedness....

Lets not foget, it was the lashes that killed this young girl!
edit on 9-2-2011 by AmatuerSkyWatcher because: (no reason given)


well my friend,

this one:

[24:4] Those who accuse married women of adultery, then fail to produce four witnesses, you shall whip them eighty lashes, and do not accept any testimony from them; they are wicked.

in order to accuse a couple of adultery you need four witnesses, they must see the male's penis into the female's vagaina, (porn vids aside) how often do you see that in life??!, it isn't enough to see them naked, not enough to see them #ing, you need to see his penis into her vagaina, four people should see it not only one, very hard conditions.


No and no. I'm pretty certain it is customary to those that believe in sharia law, that if a man or woman is seen to be leaving another man or woman's house when they have been alone together and are not married, it is encriminating enough to accuse them of adultery. Given that, is then hard to come by four witnesses?



Originally posted by h_jordan
now this one:

24:2] The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out GOD's law, if you truly believe in GOD and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty

in case you proved the adultery then the islamic court should make the decision of either kill both (Married) (search the whole Quran and you will not find the Killing punishment, it was removed form Quran by Mohammad or his companions, scholars refer to Hadith instead of Quran here which is also wrong in Islam), or wipe them (Unmarried).

this one:

[24:3] The adulterer will end up marrying an adulteress or an idol worshiper, and the adulteress will end up marrying an adulterer or an idol worshiper. This is prohibited for the believers.

it does not mean that the court or any one should force adulterers to marry each other, it means something like: bad guys attract each other, an adulterer will end up marrying and adulterer because they are alike, they will attract each other.

adultery is a sin in Islam that's why you have punishments for adulterers, but what we have here is very different case, the poor little kid was raped, she is not considered guilty in Sharia Law, she shouldn't be punished, in these cases culture gets mixed up with religion, for example, the court would ask the guy to marry the girl, why? culturally the girl (eventhough not guilty) is considered a shame for her family she is not virigin and she is not married, no other guy in the that culture would marry her, thats why they suggest that the guy who raped her must marry her, sometimes they force him to do, this is not Islam, this is culture.

Islam is very complex religion, Quran in itself is a messed up book, it is very open to interpretations, you can find anything you want there, sounds like mohammad was documenting life events in his era, so you find everything in these documents, bad, good, contradictions... etc, fyi, Mulsims don't really understand thier own religion, they don't read quran nor do they read its interpretations, actually it is very boring to read, most muslims are deluded into thinking that islam is the Hit, the best and the only true religion, they don't bother to check what they believe in, if i decided to study islam, i will simply spend a lifetime reading all the interpretaions of Quran, then Hadith, then the interpretations of Hadith, then Sira; Mohammads life, then hundreds of books, interpretations, thousands of hadith and thier iterpretations..etc, no one in his/her mind is really willing to give that time and effort, it is much easier to believe that it is true and follow it and support it, you get a sheeple.



reply to post by h_jordan
 


I think you missed the rest of my post friend:

"Take note, that these punishments are dealt out to those who are unmarried adulterers (see verse 24:3). The original part of the Qur'an that dealt with married adulterers was eaten by a goat (lol I thought the Qur'an was promised exempt from corruption and destruction by Allah himself?)

I won't even go into the many Hadith's that call for worse measures than this upon an "adultress" woman who has affairs with a married man or is indeed married herself. And yes, muslims view rape as the woman tempting the man into wickedness.... "


Notice the whole eaten by a goat thing? Yes it wasn't removed by Mohammed....

Check out that link I provided above, detailing those that have left Islam and became apostates like yourself. It tells you there why they left Islam,



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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This is a perfect example of how the western media will take a story and turn it into a muslim bash-fest.


Bloody Western media! Phew, I was worried there haha! Not to worry, peeps - nothing to see here. No rape. I mean, she died and stuff, but she was merely lashed into a oblivion in public.

Bloody Western media! Grrr!



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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LOL, I liked this response

second line.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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Sharia Law - Just another example of justifying evil and vile sex crimes against females and laying blame at their feet.

I understand this is cultural but that does not make it right and if these animals truly believed in their almighty Allah, they would not commit such disgusting acts as rape and murder as punishment. They pretend to have respect for their women, they do not. Most Islamic law regarding women is not the word of Allah, rather it is the word of bunch of ancient dirty old men who manipulated the law to allow them and those that came after to get their rocks off and perpetuate females as evil temptresses. It gave them a license to treat females a sex slaves.

We can not change their ill conceived ideologies and views on women (and other aspects of law) but we must
ensure that Sharia Law is NEVER allowed to be introduced into our western societies where Moslems have integrated.

I am always saddened to read and hear of crimes against women and remember this girl was still only a CHILD



I may get shot down for this opinion but you would have to be some kind of cretin to take the other side...wouldn't you





sad res
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