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Priest found with over 230 guns, what law(s) were broken?

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posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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Priest found with over 230 guns, what law(s) were broken?


blog.cleveland.com

The decision came a day after community leaders, including City Councilman Joe Cimperman, called on Henry to step aside. And it came hours after officials released new details about an ongoing police investigation of Henry, who has not been charged with a crime.

On Friday, again with Henry's permission, police searched a farm that St. Herman's uses in Bloomfield Township, located about 15 miles north of Warren in Trumbull County. There, they found and confiscated 150 more guns and 1,314 additional boxes of ammunition, according to a second report.
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posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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From a gun owner and CCW holder:

I am actually, quite curious what law(s) were actually broken here. While I do find it odd that this man had this many guns and that much ammo (well over 55,000 rounds)...what did he do wrong?

To be honest, the source is quite vague on a few things. Were these guns kept loaded in the car? Was there ammunition present in the cabin of the vehicle? If there was, he could easily be charged. If he was possibly buying these guys to sell himself, that could be trouble. Im honestly confused because it also said that he wasnt charged with a crime, so why confiscate his LEGALLY PURCHASED FIREARMS?

I only own a gun right now, but I plan to buy more. How many, I do not quite know, but apparently it shouldn't be this many. Im hoping someone with a better knowledge of gun laws could help clarify here.

IM NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN A MORAL DEBATE ON GUNS....

but Im sure it will happen anways...

blog.cleveland.com
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posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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Probably no crime.
Just blatant exercising of his rights.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:35 PM
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My best friend has over a hundred guns, all registered, so the government knows he has them and he has never had any trouble with the LEO's. I'd say that there is more to this story than meets the eye, or maybe they took the guns and plan on returning them after they check them out. I have heard of them returning confiscated guns before but not too often.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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police state for sure...




Several weeks ago, officials said, an anonymous informant told a narcotics detective that a man claiming to be a priest had purchased multiple guns. After police identified the man as Henry, the detective's surveillance uncovered "strange and erratic" behavior, Harper said.


strange and erratic to whom???

Hasnt been charged with any crime, yet his guns/ammo were confiscated?



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:38 PM
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Thats why Im less than thrilled with the actual reporting that went on in this story. It seems like the pieces of information that need to be in the aricle are not present. Im thinking this is a reflection of this reporters work ethic...

ON TOPIC:

Im thinking we're not getting the "whole" story
edit on 2/8/2011 by kyleisboss because: apparently I cannot spell



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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Agreed . . . Either word of him having a lot of guns/ammo, only to find no record of "legal" puchases or he purchased legally and worry arose over the amount. The usual "erratic" behavior response . . . Interesting to see what happens with this case . . . I'm guessing a charge of mental instability and protecting the public to be forthcoming.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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Something tells me this guy has the wrong idea about what the term; The Church militant is all about.





posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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sounds like a great alternative band name! Priests Packing Pistols!
...Wondering, who, what, when, where, why and how he was contacted?

Think bout all the walmarts that have weapons and munitions...S*#T thats a lot of guns for a corporation to own if you ask me!



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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was planning to over throw the nazi government in america



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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This picture makes me think of Rage Against The Machine....

Down Rodeo

A warrior for God perhaps?



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:45 PM
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posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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It kind of tells in the article linked in the OP if you put it together... It says..



An incident report describes the visit as a crisis intervention, which according to police policy must end with a psychiatric evaluation, hospital commitment or both. Henry, city officials confirmed Tuesday, voluntarily admitted himself to Lutheran Hospital for an evaluation.
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Flask said that Cleveland officials know and respect that people have the right to purchase as many guns as they can afford. But Henry's behavior, he added, cried for more attention.

For example, Flask said, Henry went to a Walmart between 9 and 10 p.m. and hung around the store until between 1 and 2 a.m. before buying the guns and ammunition.

"This raised some fears that the purchases may have been for something other than a legitimate reason," Flask said.


Here in FL they have something called a "Baker Act". It basically says if the cops (or EMT's, fire crew, etc) deem you are a danger to yourself or others due to being nutty as a fruitcake they can haul you off for psychiatric evaluation or to a "crisis center". It sounds like Ohio may have something similar that they used on this guy.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:51 PM
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Wow Sh1t ...... this guy sound exactly to that fifth column priest in V (tv serie)
.....packing heat and ready to rock and roll with reptilians
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Over 230 guns, wow, thats just overkill ,man
I bet he want to start a Catholic Defense Force (CDF); against whom, you ask !?
Satan's force, of course, I answer.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 08:59 PM
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Thank you for the information, Ive never heard of this law before. Im assuming its meant for rounding up crackheads and paint thinner inhalers. Doesn't appear that Ohio has a Baker Law though...

Baker Act In Ohio



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 09:14 PM
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what i want to know is if this priest had any affiliations with Opus Dei, or the Jesuits,
Is there any possibility he just likes guns?
Somehow this seems far fetched, but then again the cops got abut 50 handguns and almost as many long guns plus 40000 primers small and large, and about fifty pounds of powder and the bullets to fill the cases too.....
I never saw them again....though they sis send a cheque for 2600 dollars for them.....hmpf
and yes i had a psyche evaluation too...
In a maximum security prison!
Some evaluation, they cut off my meds and nearly killed me twice in two weeks,



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 09:15 PM
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A man of the cloth with 230 guns and over a thousand boxes of ammo? I would consider that a mighty big contradiction of belief... that is if the pope himself didn't ride around amongst the unwashed masses in a bullet proof car.



For people so sure of heavens existence, they sure are scared of arriving there preemptively.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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WOW, now there is a limit on our rights!

WOW, I better tell my .......... that his collection of antique rifles and guns may be a violation of some obscure law that has NOTHING to do with LAW.

By the way, I have no registered guns. Not ONE.

Does that mean I am breaking a law? It may be breaking a legislative action but no LAW.

Let me remind folks of the LAW!

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


It does not matter what follows,
if it breaks this component it is NOT THE LAW!




posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 09:25 PM
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I am unclear as to whether these guns where at a private residence or his "quarters" on site if they were stored on the property of the shelter that might be the issue.

Shelters take in all kinds of people - usually they have some issues of a mental nature and having all those guns around without an adequate means to secure them could be seen as irresponsible gun ownership by some.

If it's his private residence or quarters that serve as the same it complicates the issue but if the locks on the doors are like those inside my house I can get in 10 seconds. Unless he has them chained or something I can see the danger here.

That said this is a IMO a violation his rights to own a gun unless there is some kind of local statute requiring them to be locked/stored in a certain manner or to be stored on private property only; (not a public place like a mission) too many variables hanging out there to make a real determination IMO.

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posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 09:29 PM
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Time will tell, if he gets the evaluation and gets the guns back, then the police were honest in their assessment, if they trump up some ridiculous charge and keep the guns, then we know the real motivation.

Is there some amount of guns that requires an FFL? I think there is a limit to the number of gun sales you can have, but I am not sure if there is a limit to strictly purchases. A friend of mine was forced to get an FFL, because he was buying and selling too many guns and the ATF started looking heavily at him, but luckily for him, they just mediated it and let him get registered as a dealer.




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