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Originally posted by OnceReturned
So because logic can't do these things, your response is to completely disregard it and pursue the opposite extreme of worshipping a character in a two thousand year old story who says his dad is the creator of the universe and overseer of paradise? Why that particular icon? If the New Testament could be true, couldn't any other sacred text of any other belief system? How do you decide which one to commit to?
Originally posted by OnceReturned
You describe the message of Christ as one of equality. I'm not so sure about that. I would characterize the message of Christ as an attempt to draw a line between two unequal groups; those who agree with him and those who don't. His message isn't that we're all equal, it's that you're either with him or against him and you'll spend the rest of eternity at the business end of a lake of fire if you don't get with the program. He identifies all alternative mystical, spiritual, and ethical belief systems as inferior, and claims his and his alone is true and of value. That's not a message of equality. I think he promoted many terrific ethical and moral principals, but I think his message also promotes a false choice and the notion that those of us who don't choose correctly or who avoid the question entirely are somehow not acceptable.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by OnceReturned
So because logic can't do these things, your response is to completely disregard it and pursue the opposite extreme of worshipping a character in a two thousand year old story who says his dad is the creator of the universe and overseer of paradise? Why that particular icon? If the New Testament could be true, couldn't any other sacred text of any other belief system? How do you decide which one to commit to?
My friend, I do not care if the teachings of Christ were proven to be written by Mickey Mouse. They are still the truth and still the way out of the mess we are in.
Originally posted by OnceReturned
You describe the message of Christ as one of equality. I'm not so sure about that. I would characterize the message of Christ as an attempt to draw a line between two unequal groups; those who agree with him and those who don't. His message isn't that we're all equal, it's that you're either with him or against him and you'll spend the rest of eternity at the business end of a lake of fire if you don't get with the program. He identifies all alternative mystical, spiritual, and ethical belief systems as inferior, and claims his and his alone is true and of value. That's not a message of equality. I think he promoted many terrific ethical and moral principals, but I think his message also promotes a false choice and the notion that those of us who don't choose correctly or who avoid the question entirely are somehow not acceptable.
You attribute much to Christ that he never said. He never told anyone how to worship the father. He said that when you pray, do so privately that no man will see you do it. He said the Kingdom of God is within you. Find God how you wish, know him as he reveals himself to you. You are his child. Nothing stands between you and the father. Christ said he was the way to the father, no one comes to the father except through him. Do you think that is his body? Do you think he meant his name? I knew a Jesus once. He certainly wasn't the way to the father. What Christ was telling you is that you go to the father with humility, innocence, purity of thought.
You do not pray for your own vanity. How are you going to get to something as spectacular as the being within all things known and unknown if you are not willing to be humble in your approach?
You are a Child of God. You can talk to the father anytime you wish. To hear him, you must be humble like Christ. Otherwise all you hear is your own ego.
With Love,
Your Brother
Luke 11
1And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
2And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3Give us day by day our daily bread.
4And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
5And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;
6For a friend of mine in his journey is come to me, and I have nothing to set before him?
7And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give thee.
8I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.
9And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Originally posted by muzzleflash
So I guess the ultimate goal is for us to learn forgiveness.
It's a popular trend to 'hate on' the elites and masterminds who ruin our lives and make things so difficult.
But what if the ultimate lesson here is to learn how to forgive them anyways? And love them as we love ourselves or anyone else for that matter?
Originally posted by muzzleflash
I don't know. Since I can't really do anything about it anyways, perhaps that is the best course of action.
To forgive those that have done us wrong.
Maybe that is what salvation and redemption are really about?
Originally posted by muzzleflash
It seems like the logical best course of action, as it eliminates many of our mental problems and alleviates our anger and fear.
Originally posted by trekwebmaster
I beg to disagree, Jesus was asked and he answered the question of "How to Pray."
It is written in Luke 11:
Have faith in your family my friend. We are down, but we are never out!
Originally posted by works4dhs
youse gize are looking for convoluted exegesises when the simpler explanation is more likely (Occam's Razor).
there are many 'anti-Christs', today and in history (Herod, Pharoh, Hitler, Haman), leading to the one major-league antiChrist, the international (if not global) ruler to come who will lead the war against Christians and Jews.
many modern prophecy students suspect he will be Muslim. he will have a sidekick known as the false prophet.
we all have the potential to be imitators of Christ, or anti-Christ. our choice. no human can ever acheive 100% either way.
Originally posted by Akragon
Personally i don't think we're down anything....everyone is exactly where they should be...
If God is perfection, then so is his creation. Thus nothing needs to change...we are exactly where we should be.
Originally posted by Lawgiver
is it ok to cast judgement when i am sitting jury duty? or is it wrong to find someone guilty or not guilty in a court of law?
Originally posted by StlSteve
So is this anti-christ position already taken? I'm out of work and can use some extra cash. What would I have to do? Do I have to smite people, wait, that's a god thing. I'm not really evil (unless you talk to my ex-wife). So training is a must. I am willing to learn.
Originally posted by StlSteve
Crap! Any other openings? Minion maybe? I can do a great 'Yes Master'. And, I have fire retartdant underware.
Originally posted by trekwebmaster
To be honest, if you want to see the "anti-christ," inquire within.
Inside that darkness between the "duality" of man, exists goodness and evil.
You cannot change this fact; but only accept it "as" the "knowledge" or "enlightenment of a moment" which provides a "release" of the emotional "wrapper" whereby the information came. To carry around empty "wrappers" bankrupts the soul and offers no nourishment when the information is discarded or avoided. This is the very "seed" of denial.
Originally posted by StlSteve
Give me a dang job you screw-head! How was that?
You know what, I'm sorry. I owe you an apology. You have been courtious, kind, and conciderate. I have been loose, silly, and, well, just dumb. Glad you are here, and are part of our community.
This is a doctrine of indifference and it is incorrect my friend. We are not exactly where we should be. We are growing, always. To say everything is fine and to do nothing is to turn our backs on the suffering of our Brothers and Sisters. It is to let them starve because it is as it should be. They are part of God and as long as we are able, it is our duty as Children of God to take care of each other. Indifference is never acceptable.