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Rise of the Anti-Christ

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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by Abovo

Originally posted by hawaii50th

Originally posted by Abovo

Originally posted by hawaii50th

Originally posted by Abovo

Originally posted by hawaii50th

Originally posted by Abovo
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I don't believe he is deceived at all and if he is it is God's doing and there isn't a thing you or anyone can do about it save pray. There is alot of conjecture here and for a moment i almost got sucked into it. God himself contains GREAT danger...

Maybe, just maybe... The right and the left have come to some disagreement, this is metaphorical of course detailing the need for division due to an unpublished manifesto of endeavor. The lot of you sound like nagging house wives. Leave the son of man to it.

Peace


In the last days many will be deceived and will believe lies rather than truth, the devil has but a short time and he's like a raging lion ready to devour as many as he can.
A Christian is called to stand up for the Lord and if that Christian doesn't than he is not true to the Lord.
Christ will be there on the day of judgment separating the sheep from the goats. This is all scriptural, all you got to do is look it up.


Agreed about the roaring lion part. What's not agreed is how a message of peace and love could be construed as such? While i think it's a little syrupy, personally, it is essential and necessary. That is the point is it not?





If you have children, you love those children, you provide for them, and you also discipline them so they can go on to become good people when they grow up.
It is the same when it comes to God, He loves His creation and His Love is a perfect Love unlike ours and He wants to provide for His creation. But if His creation refuses to listen to Him they choose their own course, He will not interfere in what they choose.
We live in the physical world until death, than we pass on, so our bodies decay, but our souls continue on, and that is what God is concerned with, our souls. He wants our souls to continue and to exist with Him in heaven.
But before we can go to that beautiful place that He has provided for all of us for all eternity, we need to live in this physical existence. The physical life is to prepare us for the eternal life, but we need to follow God and have Christ in our lives to be able to get there.
Satan rebelled against God, Satan was the most beautiful of all the angels in heaven, and his pride got the better of him and he decided to rebel. When an angel rebels that angels punishment is severe and that's because God gave them powers that go way beyond what a human is capable of. There is no second chance for an angel that rebels against God.
After Satan fell, he now turned his attention to all of God's creation, now he wanted to take revenge on God for exiling him out of the heavenly places. Now he was going to try and destroy what God had created, and this is where we are at and has always been from the beginning here on this earth. The real war that has been going on is between God, Satan, and us. It is a spiritual battle for the souls of men and women, Satan wants to take as many souls to hell as he can to spend eternity with him.
And that's just the way it is.



Hello,

I cannot subscribe to this ideology, i'm sorry. God loves his children for he is his children. Humanity has GREAT and wonderful things in store for it. The law of the jungle does not factor into this cooperative; spiritual eventuality. That means an end to self-serving materialism, capitalism and social inequality. Furthermore, this battle for the soul is an antiquated philosophy - ALL SOULS WIN... After all it wasn't their fault they ended up here. As for the spiritual antagonists of creation, well all i can tell you is ECHAD,

[I'm amfraid i completly]

edited to highlight this little tidbit^ Mother nature is hard at work apparently.

edit on 9-2-2011 by Abovo because: (no reason given)


Than obviously you don't believe what took place in the garden of Eden, when the first man and woman was tempted by the serpent and choose to listen to the serpent rather than God. They had the choice than and we still have the choice today to choose between good and evil. So to pass the buck and say that it's not our fault that we are in the situation that we are in, is like a child saying, he made me do it. That's the problem, no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions. And those that won't take responsibility continue to fall for the lies of Satan, and that just suits him well, because he now knows for sure that he has won that soul.
If you want to believe in all nature and make that your god, so be it. It is folly to do so, but you have that choice, and to gamble with your own soul is again your own choice, after all it's only eternity that you'll be dealing with, right?


The only enemy is the anchor of the past preventing progression to the future!


Peace


The only enemy is that which is within.




posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:43 PM
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Not an enemy, but a sword



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by hawaii50th
No one but God has the right to judge.


Absolutely


Originally posted by hawaii50th
But to deny the Word of God is denying the existence of God.


What is his word?

Jesus Christ.


Originally posted by hawaii50th
If one claims to be Christian than he has an obligation to spread the good news,


What is the good news?

The Word of God


Originally posted by hawaii50th
the Word of God,


What is the Word of God.

That which Christ spoke, In the beginning was the Word, than the Word Became flesh.


Originally posted by hawaii50th
he also has an obligation to live life according to the way God taught man to live.


I agree, but now we are...

Back to the beginning.


Originally posted by hawaii50th
And if he doesn't than he is a hypocrite and will be judged accordingly by God.


I suppose only God knows.

No, we are to know by believing in Him that was sent to save us from sin.

With Love,

Your Brother


We are brothers only in Christ, there is no other way.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Abovo
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Not an enemy, but a sword



What sword do you speak of?

The Word of the Lord is a double edge sword



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by hawaii50th
Our bodies are suppose to be the temple in which the Holy Spirit dwells, if we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.


Our bodies ARE temples to the Holy Spirit even if we have never heard of Jesus. It is the spirit which animates us, gives us life, without which we would be a lifeless corpse. Accepting Jesus is accepting his doctrines, he can not save you if you reject his teachings.


Originally posted by hawaii50th
We are all sinners and fall short of the Glory of God, that is why Jesus Christ came, to forgive man and give him(man) the chance for salvation through Jesus. No man comes to the Father except by Me, Jesus the Christ.


You can stop sinning, ask forgiveness, and never sin again when ever you want to. You do not have to Sin. To Sin is to transgress against God's Law to Love one another. All you need to do is stop sinning and start loving the way that Jesus showed to do. Jesus was the way to the father, follow him. Do as he did.


Originally posted by hawaii50th
You believe in reincarnation which is an eastern belief, and does not come from the bible. Men and women have one soul and live one life here on earth. After death the soul leaves the body never to return to this existence, but to be with the Lord, or the devil.



"I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.” I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it. For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.’" Here Jesus quotes from Malachi 3:1, where the messenger appears to be a prophetic figure who is going to appear. According to Malachi 4:5, this messenger is “the prophet Elijah,”



Originally posted by hawaii50th
This earth is not heaven, if it were God would have no purpose, and we are not gods. This belief that you have distorts the real truth.


So, your God is NOT Omnipresent then?


Originally posted by hawaii50th
Whoever chooses to believe God and the Word of God Jesus Christ, will be saved and have everlasting life.


Prove you believe his word. Live as he lived. If you do not, then you do not have faith in his word.


Originally posted by hawaii50th
Whoever chooses to reject the truth will be given death.


Those who reject the truth are already dead. To accept the truth, believe in the truth, is to live the truth.


Originally posted by hawaii50th
This is the way of the world and the rebellious nature of man, God has sent His only begotten Son,


His only begotten Son was Man. Hence Christ was the Son of God, Son of Man. We are all children of God.


In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.



Originally posted by hawaii50th
to shed His blood on the cross for the forgiveness of sins for those that want to accept Him and believe that He came and will come again to judge the living and the dead. Whoever believes shall have everlasting life, Amen.


Do you believe his word enough to live it?

With Love,

Your Brother
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by hawaii50th

Originally posted by Abovo
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Not an enemy, but a sword



What sword do you speak of?

The Word of the Lord is a double edge sword


There are many swords in scripture... I speak of a great many things but on this you'll have to figure it out for yourself.

Peace



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by hawaii50th
We are brothers only in Christ, there is no other way.



41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


My friend, I think we study under a different Master. I love you, but I cannot understand your doctrine. If it brings you comfort and you find in it joy, happiness, and love for all, keep it. I will have none of it.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by gaia.chi.au
welcome to ATS sunday school ! i don't mean to put you down but christianty is responsible for the most religious killings in the world so where do your 'anti christ' views sit with this?


My friend, when the seeds of Christ were planted in the world, an enemy came and sowed weeds in with the wheat. Christ saw this and told his followers to let the weeds grow with the wheat so as to not tear up the whole crop. At harvest time the wheat will be seperated from the chaff, the chaff and weeds will be tossed in the fire and burned.

I apologise for those things done by others in Christ's name. They were not done because it was what Christ taught, but to defile his good words, life, and sacrifice. It made enemies to Christ where there should be none. For Christ's sake, I apologies for what was done in his name. He was my Brother and he loved us all.


Originally posted by gaia.chi.au
at the end of the day most of us follow the same god and those who don't are neither right or wrong...


We all follow the same God my friend. God is within you and we can follow none other. No man can tell another how God manifests for he manifests within. No man has exclusive rights to God for God is everything. The limits of God are only those of the Man's own understanding.

Judge not, Love all, be at peace,

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by gaia.chi.au
welcome to ATS sunday school ! i don't mean to put you down but christianty is responsible for the most religious killings in the world so where do your 'anti christ' views sit with this?


My friend, when the seeds of Christ were planted in the world, an enemy came and sowed weeds in with the wheat. Christ saw this and told his followers to let the weeds grow with the wheat so as to not tear up the whole crop. At harvest time the wheat will be seperated from the chaff, the chaff and weeds will be tossed in the fire and burned.

I apologise for those things done by others in Christ's name. They were not done because it was what Christ taught, but to defile his good words, life, and sacrifice. It made enemies to Christ where there should be none. For Christ's sake, I apologies for what was done in his name. He was my Brother and he loved us all.


Originally posted by gaia.chi.au
at the end of the day most of us follow the same god and those who don't are neither right or wrong...


We all follow the same God my friend. God is within you and we can follow none other. No man can tell another how God manifests for he manifests within. No man has exclusive rights to God for God is everything. The limits of God are only those of the Man's own understanding.

Judge not, Love all, be at peace,

With Love,

Your Brother




Hello IAMIAM,

I want to take a moment to respond to your thoughts although they are directed towards another. I truly appreciate your sentiment and i want to ask you what do you think would happen if you went to the Pentagon, the Kremlin, Pyongyang or Beijing and told them what it is your telling people here? Then let's say you went to the District Attorneys office for all countries and repeated your message. Then you went to all the prisons in the same places and REPEATED your message. What do you think would happen? Do you believe that they would just drop whatever it was that they were doing and fall rank in file behind your sayings, even though what you say is the TRUTH?

If they chose not to follow your sayings what do you believe would be the result?.What i mean to say is, do they have a choice in following your sayings or will they eventually end up doing exactly what you've explained to them?

And after this is all said and done, do you just go back to your home and sit down and read a book or maybe watch the TV and remark that the same things which prompted you to go out and speak up are still in place and still leading people in the wrong directions?

Now here is what i'm driving at. Do you believe you are going to expire and reside in some rosy gold-laden sky palace? Or that the Kingdom will magically descend out of the sky and land near Cleveland? Do you expect change to come by behaving [teaching; speaking] the way that you do? Or are you unexpectant?


Peace



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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First I would like to say this from the Scriptures:

Titus 3:9 "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."

No sense in having a pseudo-argument about the Scriptures. The Scriptures are the inspired Word of God.

Second to those saying that the Anti-Christ is not a future world leader. The Word of Yah is very clear.:


2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,"

2 Thessalonians 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming."

Daniel 11:36 "And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished:for that that is determined shall be done."

Revelation 13:5 "And there was given to him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given to him to continue forty and two months." (Continue seems to imply that he was already in power in some way)

Revelation 13:7 "And it was given to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

Revelation 11:7 "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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Censorship is apparently alive and well


Another time maybe.


Peace



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Abovo
Hello IAMIAM,

I want to take a moment to respond to your thoughts although they are directed towards another. I truly appreciate your sentiment and i want to ask you what do you think would happen if you went to the Pentagon, the Kremlin, Pyongyang or Beijing and told them what it is your telling people here? Then let's say you went to the District Attorneys office for all countries and repeated your message. Then you went to all the prisons in the same places and REPEATED your message. What do you think would happen? Do you believe that they would just drop whatever it was that they were doing and fall rank in file behind your sayings, even though what you say is the TRUTH?


My friend the power of this world ALWAYS lies in the hand of the people. I could go to the top. What would happen? Those at the top will always conceal truths from those at the bottom until such time as the bottom knows the truth already. Which is why I am here on ATS talking to those who watch.


I am not alone my friend. The time is ripe for the truth to be known and I am willing to do the fathers work that needs to be done. It is his will that Man be free. It is what he has always wanted. Thus, he will help me in my endeavor, watch!


Originally posted by Abovo
If they chose not to follow your sayings what do you believe would be the result?.What i mean to say is, do they have a choice in following your sayings or will they eventually end up doing exactly what you've explained to them?


They owe obedience to the father. To him they will comply.


Originally posted by Abovo
And after this is all said and done, do you just go back to your home and sit down and read a book or maybe watch the TV and remark that the same things which prompted you to go out and speak up are still in place and still leading people in the wrong directions?


I do not do prophecy my friend. I do God's will. If it is his will that I be done after this, then I will. I do not know.

For now, I just ride my Nokia N210 Crystal white notebook through the network clouds swinging the sword of truth the best I can.


Originally posted by Abovo
Now here is what i'm driving at. Do you believe you are going to expire and reside in some rosy gold-laden sky palace? Or that the Kingdom will magically descend out of the sky and land near Cleveland? Do you expect change to come by behaving [teaching; speaking] the way that you do? Or are you unexpectant?


Peace


Watch and see my friend. This is the ride of the millennium. Why spoil the plot?

With Love,

Your Brother
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posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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We are not different in our beliefs and values, maybe our methods but the outcome you hope for is the same that i do. A world FREE from tyranny, selfishness and darkness. The light of God is the most beautiful, exquisite consciousness imaginable and this is the Father's will that ALL should experience and bask in it! Alas, this world is ugly to me although i acknowledge it's necessity and mechanism. But now, it just creates monsters and as Buddha once said, 'When evil tries to reach a place to which it is not entitled, the dragon is awoken," And what an awful dragon it is.

I will be watching. May the LORD's will be done.


Peace



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Abovo
I will be watching. May the LORD's will be done.


Amen my friend, amen.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by Archangelelijah
All relegions are beliveing in a higher energy other than man! This is the positive aspect of each and everyone of us in love, communication and understanding!


I can agree with this.


Originally posted by Archangelelijah
We have got to where we are today by thinking of eachother in spirituality, people operate with money but this assists everything we have achieved in life through the hard work and labour of every individual who ever lived!


How did we go from being spiritual to money? Money is NOT of the spirit.


Originally posted by Archangelelijah
Mangod is the physical God of man in learning! God is our journey of spirituality in learning like a child attending school. We all love each other spirituality because we are all in the same boat of life experienceing the same circumstances which is our free will!


God is learning? Then God is not Omniscient-all knowing?
If we all loved each other, why do we sit back while our family starves, suffers from wars and disease? Why do we not take the time to heal one another?


Originally posted by Archangelelijah
God is everywhere! We live in Eden or Mother nature which is Earth and thought of learning which Satan gave us in the form of the serpent! This is the 3rd dimension my friend of fuel, heat and oxygen which is fire! Every living species on earth is this including tree and grass growth. This is our external energy which is negative! Our internal energy of Mind, Heart and Soul is nine times as strong which is our positive spirit in life and death!


I tried to decipher what you were trying to say here my friend. I could not make heads nor tales of it. Truth is simple enough for a child to understand. This is convoluted, distorted, and makes no sense.


Originally posted by Archangelelijah
You have knowledge from the serpent in the way of words and communication. Understand the bible and religion and you will understand. You preach information which is good but not correct.


You are still not making any sense.


Originally posted by Archangelelijah
God is the fourth dimension of life in the form of the supernatural! Reverse Live in the english language and lived! What do you get?


No problem my friend. We follow a different idea of God. You see him as something to get to. I see him as EVERYWHERE.

The lesser can never be the Greater my friend. If your God isn't everywhere, you are in for disappointment.


Originally posted by Archangelelijah
We all feed the starving children through donations of the human spirit which donates money to the poor! Money was formed on the ethic of hard work and labour of all men and women in jobs and war to create peace!


Ah, I thought Ethiopia still had a hunger problem.


Originally posted by Archangelelijah
Understand the system and where money came from to support all people and you will understand the Truth! You preach words with no evidence! The words you preach are positive but understand our system!


No offence intended my friend, but I do not want your truth. You can keep it, but it is not for me.

I am here to take the system down that you cherish.

With Love,

Your Brother


All people and religions past and present have created what we have today in the ethic of hard work and learning which brought money to all customs through trade! All countrys need a currency to support the people of what ever country you are from.
Yes, some countrys like Ethiopia and other african countrys don't have finances due to their environment which is lacking in services by the government of that country.
You say if we love eachother, why do we let them starve. War and disease has always been! Don't you think the way we currently operate actually solves health problems through our health systems to rid disease and assist the sick and injured. Your words are not well educated and you don't understand the meaning of spiritual assistance through our hard work ethic! This ethic takes finances to assist each and everyone of us in all countrys.


Originally posted by Archangelelijah
God is everywhere! We live in Eden or Mother nature which is Earth and thought of learning which Satan gave us in the form of the serpent! This is the 3rd dimension my friend of fuel, heat and oxygen which is fire! Every living species on earth is this including tree and grass growth. This is our external energy which is negative! Our internal energy of Mind, Heart and Soul is nine times as strong which is our positive spirit in life and death!


You said this. I tried to decipher what you were trying to say here my friend. I could not make heads nor tales of it. Truth is simple enough for a child to understand. This is convoluted, distorted, and makes no sense.

That makes perfect sense! Understand why the serpent offered humans the apple of knowledge in the form of Adam and Eve which was bitten. You obviously can't read and understand the concept. The fire triangle is everything in life physically. All formations have a leader at the top of the triangle who assists the people and the general public supporting the leader on the bottom of the triangle. Governments, tribes, jobs even sporting teams operate this way! This is our internal spirit assisting eachother!

If you are here to bring the system down then your love for everything you see as you say is a lie! You can't handle the TRUTH! This will be the sword of truth which everyone will understand!

God Bless.
Stay positive because WW3 will be the biggest spiritual war humans have ever known!



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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Purity friend... That is what must be sought for. This world is pure in its essence and it has become befouled by errant, egotistical thinking...Things like hunger, social inequality [i'm better than you], control oriented thinking [do as i say] and Fear have poisoned the mind of God! It's an abomination! I want no part of it. Tell me some more about this fire triangle.



Peace



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by Archangelelijah
Stay positive because WW3 will be the biggest spiritual war humans have ever known!


My friend, your doctrine does not have one thread of Christ's teachings in it. It isn't even an attempt at understanding what he was saying. If you wish to make up your own doctrine, do so, but it is off topic here.

Then again, perhaps it is dead on topic.

If your doctrine brings you peace, joy and love for all, keep it.

I will have none of it.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:41 PM
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He's an archangel i think he may have something to offer they do walk among us after all.



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by Archangelelijah
Stay positive because WW3 will be the biggest spiritual war humans have ever known!


My friend, your doctrine does not have one thread of Christ's teachings in it. It isn't even an attempt at understanding what he was saying. If you wish to make up your own doctrine, do so, but it is off topic here.

Then again, perhaps it is dead on topic.

If your doctrine brings you peace, joy and love for all, keep it.

I will have none of it.

With Love,

Your Brother


The words are exactly what Christ was teaching! Christ means annointed which Jesus recieved from the great spirit of all things which is God.
Everyword needs to be said for people to understand the meaning of life! Your motions of spirituality are not realistic here on earth. We can only help eachother by thinking with the heart and mind in a positive light and acting it out with our actions!



posted on Feb, 9 2011 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by yahushuasaves
First I would like to say this from the Scriptures:

Titus 3:9 "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."

No sense in having a pseudo-argument about the Scriptures. The Scriptures are the inspired Word of God.

Second to those saying that the Anti-Christ is not a future world leader. The Word of Yah is very clear.:


2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,"

2 Thessalonians 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming."

Daniel 11:36 "And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished:for that that is determined shall be done."

Revelation 13:5 "And there was given to him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given to him to continue forty and two months." (Continue seems to imply that he was already in power in some way)

Revelation 13:7 "And it was given to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

Revelation 11:7 "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."



You are so right, it is time to shake the dust of this place from my feet.



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