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Originally posted by hawaii50th
If you have children, you love those children, you provide for them, and you also discipline them so they can go on to become good people when they grow up.
It is the same when it comes to God, He loves His creation and His Love is a perfect Love unlike ours and He wants to provide for His creation. But if His creation refuses to listen to Him they choose their own course, He will not interfere in what they choose.
Originally posted by hawaii50th
We live in the physical world until death, than we pass on, so our bodies decay, but our souls continue on, and that is what God is concerned with, our souls. He wants our souls to continue and to exist with Him in heaven.
Originally posted by hawaii50th
But before we can go to that beautiful place that He has provided for all of us for all eternity, we need to live in this physical existence. The physical life is to prepare us for the eternal life, but we need to follow God and have Christ in our lives to be able to get there.
Originally posted by hawaii50th
Satan rebelled against God, Satan was the most beautiful of all the angels in heaven, and his pride got the better of him and he decided to rebel. When an angel rebels that angels punishment is severe and that's because God gave them powers that go way beyond what a human is capable of. There is no second chance for an angel that rebels against God.
Originally posted by hawaii50th
After Satan fell, he now turned his attention to all of God's creation, now he wanted to take revenge on God for exiling him out of the heavenly places. Now he was going to try and destroy what God had created, and this is where we are at and has always been from the beginning here on this earth. The real war that has been going on is between God, Satan, and us. It is a spiritual battle for the souls of men and women, Satan wants to take as many souls to hell as he can to spend eternity with him.
And that's just the way it is.
Originally posted by BrokenCircles
reply to post by IAMIAM
Yes it does. thank you.. The "where" part is what thew me off. I was thinking of that word being a physical, structural. place where someone would go.
To love is to WORSHIP. Does that clarify my meaning my friend?
Thanks
Originally posted by hawaii50th
Originally posted by Abovo
Originally posted by hawaii50th
Originally posted by Abovo
reply to post by hawaii50th
I don't believe he is deceived at all and if he is it is God's doing and there isn't a thing you or anyone can do about it save pray. There is alot of conjecture here and for a moment i almost got sucked into it. God himself contains GREAT danger...
Maybe, just maybe... The right and the left have come to some disagreement, this is metaphorical of course detailing the need for division due to an unpublished manifesto of endeavor. The lot of you sound like nagging house wives. Leave the son of man to it.
Peace
In the last days many will be deceived and will believe lies rather than truth, the devil has but a short time and he's like a raging lion ready to devour as many as he can.
A Christian is called to stand up for the Lord and if that Christian doesn't than he is not true to the Lord.
Christ will be there on the day of judgment separating the sheep from the goats. This is all scriptural, all you got to do is look it up.
Agreed about the roaring lion part. What's not agreed is how a message of peace and love could be construed as such? While i think it's a little syrupy, personally, it is essential and necessary. That is the point is it not?
If you have children, you love those children, you provide for them, and you also discipline them so they can go on to become good people when they grow up.
It is the same when it comes to God, He loves His creation and His Love is a perfect Love unlike ours and He wants to provide for His creation. But if His creation refuses to listen to Him they choose their own course, He will not interfere in what they choose.
We live in the physical world until death, than we pass on, so our bodies decay, but our souls continue on, and that is what God is concerned with, our souls. He wants our souls to continue and to exist with Him in heaven.
But before we can go to that beautiful place that He has provided for all of us for all eternity, we need to live in this physical existence. The physical life is to prepare us for the eternal life, but we need to follow God and have Christ in our lives to be able to get there.
Satan rebelled against God, Satan was the most beautiful of all the angels in heaven, and his pride got the better of him and he decided to rebel. When an angel rebels that angels punishment is severe and that's because God gave them powers that go way beyond what a human is capable of. There is no second chance for an angel that rebels against God.
After Satan fell, he now turned his attention to all of God's creation, now he wanted to take revenge on God for exiling him out of the heavenly places. Now he was going to try and destroy what God had created, and this is where we are at and has always been from the beginning here on this earth. The real war that has been going on is between God, Satan, and us. It is a spiritual battle for the souls of men and women, Satan wants to take as many souls to hell as he can to spend eternity with him.
And that's just the way it is.
Originally posted by autowrench
Wrong. "Worship" means "Work." Look it up. So if you "worship" someone, you work for them, or, in the sense of Christians, they "serve," as in service to a master, or "Slavery.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by kroms33
You are judging people who follow certain belief systems - which goes against the teachings of Jesus:
I have judged no one my friend. I have merely presented the information of what is Christs teachings and what are not. Whether or not you follow them or not, I do not know. Judge yourself.
With Love,
Your Brother
Originally posted by slowisfast
i'm very aware i'm not Jesus.
neither are you.
Originally posted by slowisfast
judging one's actions is not the same as judging the human.
if Christ is an example to be followed then there should be no issues in taking offense to actions when warranted.
27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. 30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. 37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. 30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. 37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom.
For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
Originally posted by kroms33
People, you can not debate a person that has all of the answers - which of course is a red flag unto itself.
You'll hit a brick wall because there is no open conversation, just an ideological belief.
:bnghd:
Peace.
Originally posted by Abovo
Originally posted by hawaii50th
Originally posted by Abovo
Originally posted by hawaii50th
Originally posted by Abovo
reply to post by hawaii50th
I don't believe he is deceived at all and if he is it is God's doing and there isn't a thing you or anyone can do about it save pray. There is alot of conjecture here and for a moment i almost got sucked into it. God himself contains GREAT danger...
Maybe, just maybe... The right and the left have come to some disagreement, this is metaphorical of course detailing the need for division due to an unpublished manifesto of endeavor. The lot of you sound like nagging house wives. Leave the son of man to it.
Peace
In the last days many will be deceived and will believe lies rather than truth, the devil has but a short time and he's like a raging lion ready to devour as many as he can.
A Christian is called to stand up for the Lord and if that Christian doesn't than he is not true to the Lord.
Christ will be there on the day of judgment separating the sheep from the goats. This is all scriptural, all you got to do is look it up.
Agreed about the roaring lion part. What's not agreed is how a message of peace and love could be construed as such? While i think it's a little syrupy, personally, it is essential and necessary. That is the point is it not?
If you have children, you love those children, you provide for them, and you also discipline them so they can go on to become good people when they grow up.
It is the same when it comes to God, He loves His creation and His Love is a perfect Love unlike ours and He wants to provide for His creation. But if His creation refuses to listen to Him they choose their own course, He will not interfere in what they choose.
We live in the physical world until death, than we pass on, so our bodies decay, but our souls continue on, and that is what God is concerned with, our souls. He wants our souls to continue and to exist with Him in heaven.
But before we can go to that beautiful place that He has provided for all of us for all eternity, we need to live in this physical existence. The physical life is to prepare us for the eternal life, but we need to follow God and have Christ in our lives to be able to get there.
Satan rebelled against God, Satan was the most beautiful of all the angels in heaven, and his pride got the better of him and he decided to rebel. When an angel rebels that angels punishment is severe and that's because God gave them powers that go way beyond what a human is capable of. There is no second chance for an angel that rebels against God.
After Satan fell, he now turned his attention to all of God's creation, now he wanted to take revenge on God for exiling him out of the heavenly places. Now he was going to try and destroy what God had created, and this is where we are at and has always been from the beginning here on this earth. The real war that has been going on is between God, Satan, and us. It is a spiritual battle for the souls of men and women, Satan wants to take as many souls to hell as he can to spend eternity with him.
And that's just the way it is.
Hello,
I cannot subscribe to this ideology, i'm sorry. God loves his children for he is his children. Humanity has GREAT and wonderful things in store for it. The law of the jungle does not factor into this cooperative; spiritual eventuality. That means an end to self-serving materialism, capitalism and social inequality. Furthermore, this battle for the soul is an antiquated philosophy - ALL SOULS WIN... After all it wasn't their fault they ended up here. As for the spiritual antagonists of creation, well all i can tell you is ECHAD,
[I'm amfraid i completly]
edited to highlight this little tidbit^ Mother nature is hard at work apparently.edit on 9-2-2011 by Abovo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by slowisfast
you seemed to have missed my point.
Jesus himself judged actions.
we're not to judge hearts.
there are consequences to actions.
it's the actions that can be judged.
we're not to judge the individual.
there is a difference.
i trust you can see that.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by slowisfast
you seemed to have missed my point.
Jesus himself judged actions.
we're not to judge hearts.
there are consequences to actions.
it's the actions that can be judged.
we're not to judge the individual.
there is a difference.
i trust you can see that.
My friend, we are still at odds. There are consequences to actions. If you do not judge the actions, but love the person and try with honesty to find out why he is doing the actions, you will find out how to heal him.
If a man steals your coat and you protest his actions, why should he open up and tell you he is poor?
If a man strikes you on the cheek and you protest his actions, why should he believe you when you say "I love you?" He won't and he will never feel the guilt for striking you. In fact he will probably do it again if you protest to loudly.
Do not judge. No where did Christ teach to judge actions. He taught not to judge. The idea of hating the sin and loving the sinner is a distortion of his truth. If you really hate the sin, you do not judge it, you find out why the offending Brother is doing it. Then you HELP him over come it.
Sin is simply a transgression of God's law to love one another. Judging IS sin because it is unloving.
If I stand on self righteousness and tell you "Brother I love you, but I hate that you are judgemental! " Would that make you feel loved? No, it wouldn't.
Instead I love you. I take the time to talk to you. I try to get to know you. I try to show you how your actions are impacting others. In the end, you are still free to do as you wish. You are a child of God. I cannot Judge you or your actions, you must judge yourself.
With Love,
Your Brother
Originally posted by hawaii50th
Than obviously you don't believe what took place in the garden of Eden, when the first man and woman was tempted by the serpent and choose to listen to the serpent rather than God. They had the choice than and we still have the choice today to choose between good and evil. So to pass the buck and say that it's not our fault that we are in the situation that we are in, is like a child saying, he made me do it. That's the problem, no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions. And those that won't take responsibility continue to fall for the lies of Satan, and that just suits him well, because he now knows for sure that he has won that soul.
Originally posted by hawaii50th
If you want to believe in all nature and make that your god, so be it. It is folly to do so, but you have that choice, and to gamble with your own soul is again your own choice, after all it's only eternity that you'll be dealing with, right?
Originally posted by hawaii50th
No one but God has the right to judge.
Originally posted by hawaii50th
But to deny the Word of God is denying the existence of God.
Originally posted by hawaii50th
If one claims to be Christian than he has an obligation to spread the good news,
Originally posted by hawaii50th
the Word of God,
Originally posted by hawaii50th
he also has an obligation to live life according to the way God taught man to live.
Originally posted by hawaii50th
And if he doesn't than he is a hypocrite and will be judged accordingly by God.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by slowisfast
you seemed to have missed my point.
Jesus himself judged actions.
we're not to judge hearts.
there are consequences to actions.
it's the actions that can be judged.
we're not to judge the individual.
there is a difference.
i trust you can see that.
My friend, we are still at odds. There are consequences to actions. If you do not judge the actions, but love the person and try with honesty to find out why he is doing the actions, you will find out how to heal him.
If a man steals your coat and you protest his actions, why should he open up and tell you he is poor?
If a man strikes you on the cheek and you protest his actions, why should he believe you when you say "I love you?" He won't and he will never feel the guilt for striking you. In fact he will probably do it again if you protest to loudly.
Do not judge. No where did Christ teach to judge actions. He taught not to judge. The idea of hating the sin and loving the sinner is a distortion of his truth. If you really hate the sin, you do not judge it, you find out why the offending Brother is doing it. Then you HELP him over come it.
Sin is simply a transgression of God's law to love one another. Judging IS sin because it is unloving.
If I stand on self righteousness and tell you "Brother I love you, but I hate that you are judgemental! " Would that make you feel loved? No, it wouldn't.
Instead I love you. I take the time to talk to you. I try to get to know you. I try to show you how your actions are impacting others. In the end, you are still free to do as you wish. You are a child of God. I cannot Judge you or your actions, you must judge yourself.
With Love,
Your Brother
Originally posted by slowisfast
loving a person and trying to find out the reason for their actions is totally different than someone having to deal with the consequences of their actions. it's part of living in society. if there were no judgment for actions people would selfishly run rampant. if a man kills another, there are consequences to his decision to do so. part of loving human beings is holding them accountable for their actions that hurt others. like a parent who lovingly disciplines their child. consequences and judgment are two separate and distinct things that can sometimes be lumped together.
Originally posted by hawaii50th
Originally posted by Abovo
Originally posted by hawaii50th
Originally posted by Abovo
Originally posted by hawaii50th
Originally posted by Abovo
reply to post by hawaii50th
I don't believe he is deceived at all and if he is it is God's doing and there isn't a thing you or anyone can do about it save pray. There is alot of conjecture here and for a moment i almost got sucked into it. God himself contains GREAT danger...
Maybe, just maybe... The right and the left have come to some disagreement, this is metaphorical of course detailing the need for division due to an unpublished manifesto of endeavor. The lot of you sound like nagging house wives. Leave the son of man to it.
Peace
In the last days many will be deceived and will believe lies rather than truth, the devil has but a short time and he's like a raging lion ready to devour as many as he can.
A Christian is called to stand up for the Lord and if that Christian doesn't than he is not true to the Lord.
Christ will be there on the day of judgment separating the sheep from the goats. This is all scriptural, all you got to do is look it up.
Agreed about the roaring lion part. What's not agreed is how a message of peace and love could be construed as such? While i think it's a little syrupy, personally, it is essential and necessary. That is the point is it not?
If you have children, you love those children, you provide for them, and you also discipline them so they can go on to become good people when they grow up.
It is the same when it comes to God, He loves His creation and His Love is a perfect Love unlike ours and He wants to provide for His creation. But if His creation refuses to listen to Him they choose their own course, He will not interfere in what they choose.
We live in the physical world until death, than we pass on, so our bodies decay, but our souls continue on, and that is what God is concerned with, our souls. He wants our souls to continue and to exist with Him in heaven.
But before we can go to that beautiful place that He has provided for all of us for all eternity, we need to live in this physical existence. The physical life is to prepare us for the eternal life, but we need to follow God and have Christ in our lives to be able to get there.
Satan rebelled against God, Satan was the most beautiful of all the angels in heaven, and his pride got the better of him and he decided to rebel. When an angel rebels that angels punishment is severe and that's because God gave them powers that go way beyond what a human is capable of. There is no second chance for an angel that rebels against God.
After Satan fell, he now turned his attention to all of God's creation, now he wanted to take revenge on God for exiling him out of the heavenly places. Now he was going to try and destroy what God had created, and this is where we are at and has always been from the beginning here on this earth. The real war that has been going on is between God, Satan, and us. It is a spiritual battle for the souls of men and women, Satan wants to take as many souls to hell as he can to spend eternity with him.
And that's just the way it is.
Hello,
I cannot subscribe to this ideology, i'm sorry. God loves his children for he is his children. Humanity has GREAT and wonderful things in store for it. The law of the jungle does not factor into this cooperative; spiritual eventuality. That means an end to self-serving materialism, capitalism and social inequality. Furthermore, this battle for the soul is an antiquated philosophy - ALL SOULS WIN... After all it wasn't their fault they ended up here. As for the spiritual antagonists of creation, well all i can tell you is ECHAD,
[I'm amfraid i completly]
edited to highlight this little tidbit^ Mother nature is hard at work apparently.edit on 9-2-2011 by Abovo because: (no reason given)
Than obviously you don't believe what took place in the garden of Eden, when the first man and woman was tempted by the serpent and choose to listen to the serpent rather than God. They had the choice than and we still have the choice today to choose between good and evil. So to pass the buck and say that it's not our fault that we are in the situation that we are in, is like a child saying, he made me do it. That's the problem, no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions. And those that won't take responsibility continue to fall for the lies of Satan, and that just suits him well, because he now knows for sure that he has won that soul.
If you want to believe in all nature and make that your god, so be it. It is folly to do so, but you have that choice, and to gamble with your own soul is again your own choice, after all it's only eternity that you'll be dealing with, right?