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Terror Alert for Liverpool, UK?

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posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 02:51 AM
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I'm not usually one for dramatic posts that could send people off to search for any grain of information they can find on what I've spoken about but given I'm a resident here I'm a bit concerned.

Where I work you get a panoramic view over the entire city centre as I'm up on a hill. I'm also on a flight path for Liverpool airport which only deals with commercial airline flights. I've posted a few times about chemtrail activity over the city so I am regularly sky watching. Last night as I was leaving work I saw a fighter jet - too far away from me to see what type, and the sun was behind it so it was impossible to distinguish colour or markings. It appeared to be circling the city as opposed to just passing through at top speed.

Puzzled, but not peturbed I went about my business and caught the train home.

However this morning - exact same thing. Unfortunately my office is at the back of the building so I've no permanent view to see if this is going to be a permanent fixture all day. However some quick research:

1) There's no recent airshow taken place or scheduled nearby.
2) The nearest airbase I can think of where something like this would take off from is in North Wales - given the mountain ranges there I'd be inclined to think they'd head through those on test flights as opposed to over a city (and I know they do this as my folks holiday home there had some infrequent traffic overhead)
3) I can't find anything about any visiting dignitaries that may prompt a higher level of security.

I can't find anything on the news relating to a terror alert anywhere in the UK, so you can understand my concern that a fighter jet has been scrambled twice in less than 24 hours over where I live - but with no official word.

Is there anywhere I can look that would inform me of flights like this taking place? I'm guessing not unless it's for commercial business.




posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 03:13 AM
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Hello, I live in North Wales, test flights from bases go through the valley also training, which is where I live, these are mountains, quite high.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 03:21 AM
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Being a resident myself I often see training flights pass by from RAF Valley (North Wales) and I would pretty much assume the same was happening here. I can't see how an aircraft could be of any use above the city in a terror alert.

What you are more likely to see is an increase in police, possibly the police helicopter.

If there was a large event happening, a sudden increase in police etc then yes the inclusion of a jet aircraft flying over the city might be cause for concern. But the city really is not that big and a jet flying over is a few seconds event. Like I said, useless really.

The Air Force may have changed since I left but from memory we do not have standby jet fighters to fly over cities, nor have we ever had this.

Also please do not assume a jet has been 'scrambled' because you see it flying over the city. This just makes your post seem more sensational while in truth this is not the case. I see the training aircraft around the city on a daily basis and sometimes quite low. They are allowed to circle the city as training is not about flying in straight lines.

I suppose you could telephone Valley with your concerns but quite what the Air Forces' training methods have got to do with you I do not know.
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posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 03:27 AM
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As you can see from my original post:


Originally posted by ALadInsane

It appeared to be circling the city as opposed to just passing through at top speed.



I did make the distinction between it circling the city and being a 'few seconds event'. I made absolutely sure of that before posting as I am well aware that fighter jets could pass over in a matter of seconds.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 03:33 AM
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Originally posted by ALadInsane
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As you can see from my original post:


Originally posted by ALadInsane

It appeared to be circling the city as opposed to just passing through at top speed.



I did make the distinction between it circling the city and being a 'few seconds event'. I made absolutely sure of that before posting as I am well aware that fighter jets could pass over in a matter of seconds.



Sensationalist rubbish at it's best.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 03:42 AM
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Pilots have to log so many hours a month and a year, and they are given a certain amount of leeway to screw around. I have seen a pilot in an A-10 flying low level circles over the boats out in the gulf of mexico, simply screwing around and showing off for folks. Maybe that pilot was showing off for someone he knew, flying over his house or neighborhood, etc. They really only get strict about flying over populated areas when they are carrying live ordinance. Normally you'll see them out more toward the end of each month as they rush to finish up their required hours, and even more so toward the end of the year.

Something else to consider is him holding (circling) to preform a flyover at an event, such as a funeral or sporting event.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 03:44 AM
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Your contribution has been both pleasant and informative.

I shall however direct you to my first post again as it doesn't seem you've read it properly:


Originally posted by ALadInsane
I'm not usually one for dramatic posts that could send people off to search for any grain of information they can


If you are going to post again, please make sure it is a good one, and not a rather unhelpful, unfriendly 1 line post (which is a bit of a no-no in the rules and regulations) accusing me of something which I make absolutely no habit of doing.

Thanks,

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posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 03:50 AM
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Thanks for the info, as I said I can't find anything regarding any events taking place that may involve a flyover, but the racking up of hours could very well be the case. My only questioning of that would be I've been living here quite a while and this was the first prolonged instance of it that I've noticed.

Still, no news is good news re: any kind of alert.




posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 03:51 AM
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Considering you claim the jet was 'scrambled' I would say that you were trying to sensationalise the event, given there's a training base not far away and that jet aircraft fly over the city on a regular basis.

Did you not also consider that this aircraft could have been landing at Speke (Liverpool Airport, I refuse to use the daft name they gave it) and been holding for landing there?

I repeat, because you're not getting it. The Air Force does not have standby aircraft for flying over cities. It makes no sense and you are far more likely to see an increase in on the ground forces than a jet, which quite frankly can do absolutely nothing.


I used to often go out with the Thames Valley Police helicopter, routine flights looking for stolen cars etc and for me it was a jolly and I enjoyed it. But I was told if we ever encountered a serious event I would have to be dumped before we got there as the public would add 2 and 2 together and make 5 if they saw me. It appears you actually reached 6.
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posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 03:55 AM
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here is your missing alertwww.abc.net.au...
Australia issues travel alert for UK

May have something to do with it ,may not



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by DisbeIief
Considering you claim the jet was 'scrambled' I would say that you were trying to sensationalise the event, given there's a training base not far away and that jet aircraft fly over the city on a regular basis.

Did you not also consider that this aircraft could have been landing at Speke (Liverpool Airport, I refuse to use the daft name they gave it) and been holding for landing there?

I repeat, because you're not getting it. The Air Force does not have standby aircraft for flying over cities. It makes no sense and you are far more likely to see an increase in on the ground forces than a jet, which quite frankly can do absolutely nothing.


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This is getting painful now.


Originally posted by ALadInsane

I'm also on a flight path for Liverpool airport which only deals with commercial airline flights.



I clearly did consider Liverpool airport - In my first post funnily enough. And to put that theory to bed, it didn't head over where I work or make a landing manouevre for the airport (which is right by me). Sorry.

If you really want to pick at words such as 'scrambled' then I'll freely hold my hands up and say I have no military/air force experience so I have no idea what another term for this would be. So attack my lack of knowledge rather than accuse me of sensationalising over a misuse of a word.

Can the mods close this thread please? I'm actually sorry I posted anything, with people like DisBeIief attacking in such a trigger happy way (read posts properly before pointing fingers), it's no surprise people fear the transition from lurking to posting.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 04:00 AM
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Could be something as simple as a high school recruitment event, or the funeral of a military vet. Nothing that you would find reported anywhere.

If it was an alert of some type, i am sure that you can find that out easy enough. There has to be an equivalent to the Home Land Security Alert system we have here, over there.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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Guys just tone it down a notch, the OP is obviously unaware of the military or its procedures. There is no reason to deride him over that.


Originally posted by ALadInsane
If you really want to pick at words such as 'scrambled' then I'll freely hold my hands up and say I have no military/air force experience so I have no idea what another term for this would be. So attack my lack of knowledge rather than accuse me of sensationalising over a misuse of a word.

Scramble means launch a ready alert aircraft in response to some immediate threat. Additionally, it can mean having an already flying aircraft (ie out training) make an intercept of an incoming threat. Since the cold war is over there are very few aircraft that are kept at alert status.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 04:14 AM
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I am sorry if you feel that way, posting on any site leaves you open to others opinions. You accept that the second you post. I did not intend to deride you and I am sorry if it came over that way.

Because it is not possible to know how this aircraft got to the location you observed then you cannot (and neither can I) know if it was scrambled. That was all I was saying. Scrambled would assume standby aircraft reacting to an emergency. Hence my saying I thought you were sensationalising the event.

Aircraft are often sent out to deal with mystery aircraft or aircraft that are thought to be a threat. They will usually escort aircraft. Patrolling a city is not usually a practical thing and would be more of a show or force than any practical use.

I hope you continue to be vigilant and question events when you feel the need. I also hope that you too accept others opinions when they do not suit you. I wonder how you might have reacted had I agreed for no reason that this was probably a terrorist event.

More likely, and like you I don't know, this was a training flight just like the others that I've seen. But I hope that next time you can discern some markings on the aircraft so we can rule out the training option.


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posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 04:18 AM
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I'm all for other peoples opinions - it is what generates a debate after all. I'm not all for being subject to accusations which was my sole problem with your posts - aside from those remarks your lengthier contributions were helpful.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 04:22 AM
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Originally posted by DisbeIief
Considering you claim the jet was 'scrambled' I would say that you were trying to sensationalise the event, given there's a training base not far away and that jet aircraft fly over the city on a regular basis.

Did you not also consider that this aircraft could have been landing at Speke (Liverpool Airport, I refuse to use the daft name they gave it) and been holding for landing there?

I repeat, because you're not getting it. The Air Force does not have standby aircraft for flying over cities. It makes no sense and you are far more likely to see an increase in on the ground forces than a jet, which quite frankly can do absolutely nothing.


I used to often go out with the Thames Valley Police helicopter, routine flights looking for stolen cars etc and for me it was a jolly and I enjoyed it. But I was told if we ever encountered a serious event I would have to be dumped before we got there as the public would add 2 and 2 together and make 5 if they saw me. It appears you actually reached 6.
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I personally considered the OP's post to be anything but sensationalist, and it wasn't exactly composed with multitudes of exclamation marks ending each sentence or used dramatic language for effect like a lot on ATS.

YOU appear the only one making a drama out of someone who has a genuine query.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 04:28 AM
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Ok, and with that, lets get this back on topic here and see if we can find out if there is some sort of alert for that area.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 04:31 AM
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What, you reckon there's a threat that a plane will be used to specifically target a provincial city? Gimme a break!



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 04:36 AM
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Let me answer it for you: There isn't.

Some people clutch at the most meaningless straws.

Fighter jets are a common sight up and down the UK, so are AWACS and other military flights.

This thread is over hyped speculative nonsense.



posted on Feb, 8 2011 @ 04:39 AM
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"I suppose you could telephone Valley with your concerns but quite what the Air Forces' training methods have got to do with you I do not know."

I agree with your post and tone, except this part. As a taxpayer, the activities of our military are *everything* to do with us. They serve us, not us them and frankly, its time they were reminded of this fact.



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