Why is China building eerie 'ghost cities'?

Wonder if they are zero point energy cities and their going to be the first civilization on earth to have free run cities,people power,did anyone think of that afterall zietgiest moving forwxrd proposed it as the venus project,looks familiar.My,My...how duped the west has become,we will be a third world colony.

Originally posted by Monts
It's not eerie- it's just silly.

China has such a huge economy that they are "artificially" making it bigger than it seems.

They spend billions, hiring millions of construction workers to build cities that are to fill a demand that doesn't exist.

To have some kind of comparison, imagine a rich billionaire buying 100 houses for himself. He is never really going to need them all- he is just buying them to spend money and appear to make himself look valuable.

The point is, China is just trying to make itself look like it is richer than it already is, and someday in the future their pointless spending is gonna catch up and bite them in the rear.

Not true. We are dealig with the chinese people, an ancient civilisation with 5000 years and more of history. They do not just simply spend for the sake of spending with NO returns.

Look at the chinese around the world and even in the States. They do NOT spend a buck and that's it as Americans do. When they decides to spend a buck, they expect 10 dollars back in returns, which is wby the chinese are successful in maths and economics.

Under Mao, they either give up such ethics or have their heads chopped off if they do not toe the line. Mao was a nutcase to begin with, even amongst his comrades in the early stages. He seek not for wealth but for power and control, traits that are foreign to the trad chinese.

But since Premier Deng's reform in 1979, the chinese ethics and traditions returned. Just invite a chinese to a game of cards, espacially now during their traditional new year, and they go nuts to throw money into chances of ripping off your dollar, as allowed by tradition, hook or crook.

Thus, its a surprise with the ghost townships that costs not 42million dollars but probably 420 billions JUST for the township in the photo alone even with slave labour. Resources STILL cost money. And thats just one township, how about many others? What returns do they expect for such MASSIVE expenditures???????????

As for my deluge theory in my orginial post on this thread, it is based upon archeological evidences of the biblical deluge that was recorded by ancients and proven by archeologists today. There had been a deluge centuries ago, BUT not as worldwide as we were led to believe.

Ancient records and archeological findings do point conclusively to a deluge occuring in our ancient past based upon diggings of soil. As archeologists dug deeper, they found a deep layer of silt and sea objects on supposed flat lands. But it was only found in some regions and not on the entire planet.

Perhaps the deluge, a true occasion that happened on Earth in the past, was not worldwide, but limited only to regions on Earth? And should a similar occurence happened, again it will repeat history, of regions untouched by the cataclysm of flooding such as China?

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Originally posted by Monts
It's not eerie- it's just silly.

China has such a huge economy that they are "artificially" making it bigger than it seems.

They spend billions, hiring millions of construction workers to build cities that are to fill a demand that doesn't exist.

To have some kind of comparison, imagine a rich billionaire buying 100 houses for himself. He is never really going to need them all- he is just buying them to spend money and appear to make himself look valuable.

Not true. We are dealig with the chinese people, an ancient civilisation with 5000 years and more of history. They do not just simply spend for the sake of spending with NO returns.

Look at the chinese around the world and even in the States. They do NOT spend a buck and that's it as Americans do. When they decides to spend a buck, they expect 10 dollars back in returns, which is wby the chinese are successful in maths and economics.

ok, now imagine you are a rich billionaire who owns a few billion slaves. you give them enough money to feed their children for one or two days from a full day of work. problem is, they arent all working every day.

so u have all of this money, but nobody else in the population does. they have no money to start these massive construction jobs, so rely on the rich people to fund them. (ie shipping over jobs)

i believe if they keep them busy building, and convince the workers that their work is art, it will keep them from rioting.

you have the same few billion people without anything to build, and you will have problems.

its a distraction untill the economy can stabilize (as much as it can stabilize in china)

my opinion, but i find it a very plausible scenario. the same thing is happening in korea for the same reasons

Never mind empty "ghost" cities - how about a city sized cloud computing complex?

How do you feel about all your online needs being met by the information-and-freedom-friendly [cough] Communist Party of China??

Sounds like a good way to stimulate a dwindling, export-based economy.

Those cities look cool though, really modern Heres hoping they get filled out

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Seems plausible. Same thing is happening in America on a smaller scale. I see business parks being built and then remain empty except maybe one or two offices. The Chinese are just doing it in a grander scale with whole cities maybe?

Originally posted by SPACEYstranger
Sounds like a good way to stimulate a dwindling, export-based economy.

Those cities look cool though, really modern

Heres hoping they get filled out

Wth a population of 1.3 billion, (nearly 20% world population) it shouldn't be too hard eventually, even if the investors don't make a huge profit. You coulds see the government utilizing these cities to relieve the population densities of the older big cities with incentives and the like. India might try that next, you simply can't squeeze everybody into one place. China is a big country, they're right to use it sensibly, and hopefully in a more cleaner way than the past.

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I thought this was the same thread but it looks like its not. Well the answer to the OP question is rather hard b/c this is coming from a outsider's pov. How do we even know that these "ghost cities" have been recently built? If they are recently built than I would think it is probably a city for the middle - upper - and elite classes.

One of these is called Ordos, apparently it has the second highest GDP per capita - not difficult seeing as no one lives there! However, it does have ' one-sixth of all of China’s coal reserves, and one-third of is natural gas reserves.'. Here's some more reading if anyone's interested, tbh it's a really nice looking city:

www.time.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

blogs.wsj.com...

reply to post by arollingstone


Maybe it's China pushing the new world order to pay for the debt we owe. Maybe someday Americans will be shipped to china for slave labor in order to pay off their debts!

reply to post by libertytoall


Haha to be honest a lot of the houses look a bit too nice for slave labour accommodation - it's really surreal to be honest, probably part of what US call 'Chinese manipulating their currency', or repopulation scheme where construction is not quite yet finished or something. The Soviets effectively constructed brand new industrial cities like Magnitogorsk, sounds a bit similar -

The rapid development of Magnitogorsk stood at the forefront of Joseph Stalin's Five-Year Plans in the 1930s. It was a showpiece of Soviet achievement. Huge reserves of iron ore in the area made it a prime location to build a steel plant capable of challenging its Western rivals. However, a large proportion of the workforce, as ex-peasants, typically had few industrial skills and little industrial experience. To solve these issues, several hundred foreign specialists arrived to direct the work, including a team of architects headed by the German Ernst May.

however in that case, workers were sent in really early.. Maybe they wanted to build it all up before anyone else got a chance to? Who knows.. Bizarre!

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Haha, yeah, we talk about human rights and China not having a "great" record (lol), but they are building cities for after whatever happens next, USA is building FEMA camps. Well they are much cheaper...

Originally posted by NibiruWarrior
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

Haha, yeah, we talk about human rights and China not having a "great" record (lol), but they are building cities for after whatever happens next, USA is building FEMA camps. Well they are much cheaper...

And don't forget the millions of plastic FEMA coffins. I'm sure those are more cost effective for American population control than anything else

Lately I've been briefing some documents outlining the new security and prosperty deal between the Canadian and US government (obviously not the people). One of the more alarming things I've read so far is a proposed joint response to pandemics. It's almost as if they are expecting one, and now Harper plans to have the US help us in such an emergency! They can keep their plastic coffins for themselves.

Here is a reason to think about !!

The Chinese are going to claim Territory ,for the Debt owed them by The U.S. .Our Gov. is Cedeing land as we speak. How would The Governments of The World preppare the population for the End ? They wouldn't ,apocalyptic Polar Shift you better get informed. Nibiru second Sun ,coming right at us.

I'm bumping this slightly-old thread because I just heard a theory on China's empty cities from a pro economist (which of course is no guarantee of credibility in anything...): This man claims the cities are deliberately being kept empty by the Chinese government because they have overbuilt and overdeveloped real estate, and taking some of the excess capacity off the market is the only way to preserve high property values in the rest of the market. Simple supply and demand: cut the supply by keeping the city empty, thus increase the demand, thus shore up bubbly housing markets. Since China has such strong central control (a legacy of Communism), they can make top-down commands like, "we built too much, stay out of this city" which a western government could never make.

Interesting idea, anyway.

Originally posted by silent thunder
I'm bumping this slightly-old thread because I just heard a theory on China's empty cities from a pro economist (which of course is no guarantee of credibility in anything...): This man claims the cities are deliberately being kept empty by the Chinese government because they have overbuilt and overdeveloped real estate, and taking some of the excess capacity off the market is the only way to preserve high property values in the rest of the market. Simple supply and demand: cut the supply by keeping the city empty, thus increase the demand, thus shore up bubbly housing markets. Since China has such strong central control (a legacy of Communism), they can make top-down commands like, "we built too much, stay out of this city" which a western government could never make.

Interesting idea, anyway.

This is part of the reason and not the entire reason in itself.

The cities are investments of rich Chinese developers and investors, they're keeping the cities empty and brand new so that the properties hold all of their entire value. Why sell/lease now when they can wait until the demand is literally picking at them to make money?

The other part of the reason was, yes..to over-exaggerate national economic growth numbers but judging by China's 12th 5 year plan, they've realized these issues about income disparity, pollution, artificial economic growth and decided to take it a step at a time and go for the gold. Too bad America isn't doing the same.

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They are going to root folks out of the rural areas into these cities so as to enable easier oversight of them. It is becomming too easy to diseminate information and the remote rural areas are too open for accurate information to spread, especially in border areas. These cities will be electronic prisions.

They will push folks into these mega cities and totally clamp down on any and all outside communication. Non-Chinese will have to receive special permission to enter into them

The funny thing is that the west will love these cities. They will be green, they will look cool and modern, they will be the wave of the future. "oh now we can see why it will be the Chinese century". "look at the cool trains - see, the Chinese have got it - they are not using carbon based fuels in these cities". Meanwhile the Potemkin village won't be exposed for what it is. Folks being shuttled to jobs not of their choice and forced into performing them under the threat of the jackboot.

They won't tell you the reality and thats the trains won't run effectively, when they made them they dumped the chemical waste right into the ground water and that the cool buildings will be falling down in about 5 years due to substandard materials and shoddy workmanship.

Remember all the bluster about how fantastic the Chinese were with their Olympic venues and how it was a demonstration of how the directed economy and the worker's paradise was a thing of beauty? Be interesting to have a bit of reporting on them now. They are falling apart.

The Romans could use ropes and chisels and build aquaducts that still work today. The modern Chinese with all of their money, engineering and education can't build a stadium that lasts for a decade.

Originally posted by hawkiye

Why is China building eerie 'ghost cities'?

www.wnd.com

Why is China constructing large, well-designed "ghost cities" that are completely devoid of people?

Jerome Corsi's Red Alert reports Google Earth photographs of China depict city after city of vast complexes consisting of office skyscrapers, government buildings, apartment buildings, residential towers and homes, all connected by networks of empty roads – with some of the cities located in China's truly most inhospitable locations.

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I saw this on the history channel not long ago, it does make one scratch their head a bit.
It certainly looks like they are preparing for something.

Sure its just not a case of bad planning and even worse marketing? Thing is if they're going to construct pretty much a whole new city, you've got to make sure the necessities are there for people such as jobs and shops.. but then people arent going to want to bring their business there if there's no one living there in the first place.

Reminds me of this place.

Wonder if they allow immigrants?