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A North American Security Perimeter Threatens National Sovereignty

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posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 12:28 PM

A North American Security Perimeter Threatens National Sovereignty

Canada and the U.S. have officially launched negotiations on a trade and security agreement which would take continental integration to the next level. A declaration issued by the leaders follows months of secret preliminary talks. The deal would work towards facilitating the movement of travel and trade across the northern border. This includes pursuing a perimeter approach to security in an effort to better address common threats.
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posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 12:28 PM
Well ii is official- the U.S, and Canada have jump stated the NAFTA-plus agenda. It wasn’t that long ago when Obama was promising to renegotiate NAFTA. The president has signed a deal with Canada’s prime minister that will pretty much carry on where the Security and Prosperity of North American left off. One big difference is that Mexico has been cut out of this particular arrangement.
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posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 12:51 PM

Originally posted by NWMA2012

....... One big difference is that Mexico has been cut out of this particular arrangement.

That's because from a national security perspective, Mexico does not exist. It is a carbon copy of the territorial wild-wild west... anything can happen, and probably will.


I find myself wondering if this means that soon RCMP and FBI won't have to concern themselves with trivialities such as 'borders' and 'jurisdictions?' Heck... we already have Interpol in the country - totally unaccountable and immune from civil challenges.... completely unrestrained by local law..... as if they were diplomats.... the former wouldn't surprise me.

posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 01:27 PM
Canadians rejected the fortress North America proposal a decade ago and little has changed in the interim. After watching a decade of horrific human rights abuses in the US under the Patriot Act, there is no way on Earth that Canadians will go gently into that good night. Harper will be ousted before these measures even get off the ground. What people tend to forget is that the current Conservative government in Canada only exists (in its minority state) because of a dysfunctional electoral system. It's a minority government because they only have minority support in the population, and received just over 1/5 of the votes in the last election. The vast majority of Canadians do not want this, and do not support Harper's position.

The proposal itself however, does address some significant issues: As the US has become more xenophobic, border security has intensified, and the free and easy flow of goods outlined in the original NAFTA agreement has been staunched. This has had a negative effect on Canadian manufacturing and imports into the US. Harper has proposed this as the only solution, although there are more obvious solutions that should be considered. NAFTA has a number of binding terms that allow Canada to take legal action against the US for breaching the agreement, in creating these barriers to trade. In short, increased US security at the border that delays the flow of goods is illegal from a NAFTA perspective, and Canada has every legal right to penalize the US for doing so.

The onus here is on the US to make reasonable concesions, not Canada, because it is the US who are breaking the agreement. If the Harper government had any spine at all, that is the route they'd be taking instead of spreading ass in the oval office. Worst thing that could happen is that NAFTA falls apart, the US pays massive penalties, and Canada can disentangle from the sinking ship that is the US economy.

NAFTA has been an abortion from day one, and has lead to tens of thousands of lost jobs, and a Canadian manufacturing sector on the brink of collapse. NAFTA changed Canada from a nation of builders to a nation of consumers of worthless crap. NAFTA put 80% of the trade eggs in one basket and created far-too-close ties with a broken US economy, and it has cost Canada Billions to protect domestic interests over the last two years. NAFTA is a dog, and it needs to be taken out behind the shed. Canada need not go deeper into this dysfunctional mess in the name of trade, but rather start pulling out of it, and away from the US as key trading partner.

posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 01:52 PM
reply to post by fnulnu

Thank Christ, someone else exists in the realm of sanity!

You are exactly right, this is Harper's plan to fix our economic conditions while there are other avenues to approach. For instance, screw NAFTA and the Yanks and lets get back in league with the UK and Europe. They need our alliance and we need theirs.

I believe that this is really a goal from NAFTA this entire time though- to create a pathetic situation for us years after the implementation of NAFTA just to make Canada easier to integrate under the US empire's sphere. Mulroney knew it, and so did all of his advisors from Washington. Their key strategy of implementing NAFTA was to mislead the Canadian public with bogus claims and lame "summary" pamphlets so that they wouldn't pay attention to the economic hardships that it would create for us. Even after there was a popular campaign by the weary Canadian people against NAFTA, leading to the population voting AGAINST it, Mulroney still pushed it through like the disgusting corporate turd that it was.

The same is happening again. Harper is reclusive with his neo-conservative, pro-American policies. He is hiding his true anti-sovereign agenda from the people while giving us pathetic excuses like "this is to protect us against common threats". WHAT COMMON THREATS? Like the Americans taking over our economy and security?!

posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 09:24 AM
Counter-Terrorism and Northern Border Drug Strategy Tied to Perimeter Security Deal

In a move that went largely unnoticed, the U.S. government unveiled a new counter-narcotics strategy for the northern border which will work towards closer cooperation with Canada in the war on drugs.

This includes both countries strengthening integrated cross-border intelligence sharing and law enforcement operations.

Canada has also released a comprehensive counter-terrorism plan aimed at combating the threats of domestic and international violent extremism.

The separate U.S.-Canada undertakings are both tied to the Beyond the Border deal and efforts to establish a North American security perimeter.

In January, the Obama administration announced the National Northern Border Counternarcotics Strategy. A press release by the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) described how the plan seeks, “to reduce the two-way flow of illicit drugs between the United States and Canada by increasing coordination among Federal, state, local, and tribal enforcement authorities, enhancing intelligence sharing between counterdrug agencies, and strengthening ongoing counterdrug partnerships and initiatives with the Government of Canada and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP).”

Senator Charles Schumer proclaimed, “I pushed so hard for this strategy to be finalized because we have to immediately stop the flow of drugs from Canada into New York, and it’s going to take an inter-agency and international effort.” He added, “I’m pleased that this agreement lays the groundwork for Canadian and American law enforcement to work hand-in-glove to fight the drug trade.” Schumer has also endorsed the new cross-border action plan. In addition, he is pushing to establish a Northern Border Intelligence Center in Franklin County, NY to better coordinate efforts to fight drug smuggling and other cross-border criminal activities.

While commenting on the new plan to disrupt the flow of drugs over the U.S.-Canada border, ONDCP Deputy Director of State, Local and Tribal Affairs, Ben Tucker explained that, “By strengthening integrated cross-border law enforcement between our two countries, the Strategy supports a key area of cooperation outlined by President Obama and Prime Minister Harper in the Beyond the Border declaration.”

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posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 03:42 PM
reply to post by NWMA2012

The Canada that I learned of as a child is long gone. When traitors have taken over our government, true patriots like myself become the so-called "terrorists," if not just by thoughtcrime itself. Our government continues to stupify the population, while pushing its own closed-door agenda upon us. They pretty it all up by saying "counter terrorism" and "war on drugs" and "fighting child pornographers," but only the stupid masses believe it since they no longer have the capacity to put real thought into the politics above them.

The other day, I walked out of the grocery store. I looked around, and just like every other day people were pushing their carts to their cars under a sky gray, devoid of sunlight. Within my mind, I knew that everything is changing, that the lives of these very people are connected with my own by our shared nationality. But as these people scramble to wake up, work, and sleep, they have no room to think about what their efforts ultimately contribute too- the machine of the state.

And now that machine aims to consume them; us. It works to assimilate us, to make us more productive for it. If there was no serious disconnect between us and the machine, then this method would be for our benefit. But there is that disconnect. The head of this machine tells us one thing, while doing completely different things. What do they have to hide? It is significant enough to not discuss it with us, who fuel this machine.

And when I think too deeply about this, it invokes emotion; the emotion of knowing that I am part of something much larger than myself, and this thing is something that I should be a voice of, as a fundamental part of the whole. But as a citizen, I am not. I am just another statistic.

When I think about what my country has become, I am awed- but when I think about what it will become, I shed a tear for it. But what could be, is not always destiny. The path can always be re-routed.

And this is what I am thinking of, on this day. 22 years I have been of this country, since birth, and to death. I have always believed strongly in my people to overcome any obstacle, and have always felt warmth within my soul in being labelled, in this earthly existence, as Canadian. But now, the government is taking measures that enforce reform and declare dissenters as the enemy. I dissent to their reform.

Am I an enemy of my country because of my feelings towards it?

posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 03:58 PM
this is about stopping the overflow of illegal narcotics that pour into the US every year from Canada.

now if the US could get on the ball with securing our southern border maybe we could start making some real progress. the more i hear about this Harper led Canadian government the more i like it. shows he has a pair and is willing to find practical solutions to problems that effect more than just the Canadian half.
edit on 22-2-2012 by notkmarx because: (no reason given)

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