That's a problem we humans have.

Just because someone has a PhD in something, people automatically take their Theories as Fact. This is totally incorrect.

A theory is a theory no matter who proposes it.

Presenting a theory and claiming it is fact is illogical and incorrect.

The OP presents a theory attempting to explain things. It is not in any way a fact. It has not been proven or verified by actual physical evidence that we the general public are privy to.

Here is how to solve the Pentagon Controversy :
Release some of those 100s of videos that caught the whole event on tape that the Feds confiscated immediately after the crash.

Failure to release such pertinent evidence this many years after the fact, with no legitimate legal reasoning to justify it, just screams red flags.

Until these videos are released, you will see countless theories attempting to fill in the blanks.

Without the video evidence, this will never be resolved. Bickering and debating it hasn't got us anywhere in 10 years, we need the vids.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
Dave, you are making the exact mistake you have been making for the year I've been on ATS; and frankly, I don't believe it's a mistake. You are talking to one small group or "truthers" as if that group encompasses every person who has doubts in the OS. I am not sure why you do this, but it's quite disingenuous. There are a few nutbars who believe there was no plane, but the vast majority of "truthers" accept there was; they simply questions the OS.

On the contrary, I post this specifically to make the point I've been making from day one- the bulk of the research these conspiracy people claim to have done isn't from their own research, but rather from the information they're getting from one or another conspiracy web site, and the individual conspiracy claim they subscribe to depends on the specific conspiracy web site they went to for their information. It's the whole reason that not a single one of you conspiracy theorists can sit down and agree with any other conspiracy theorist, and let's face it, a sincere review of the facts is NOT going to prove the attack was staged by secret cults of Satan worshipping numerologists. Someone came up with that idea becuase they were already suckered by the idea of secret cults of Satan worshipping numerologists beforehand, so of course they're going to review web sites that claim the attack was staged by secret cults of Satan worshipping numerologists.

You can call them "nutbars"...but they are calling YOU a nutbar. How would I as a bystander know who was right?

Thanks for the chuckle Dave. You did exactly what Invisible Albatross and TheLieWeLive said you did. You lumped all "Truthers" into one group.
"Dr. Legge is basing his position upon evidence that you conspiracy people keep insisting doesn't exist."

That's your quote from later on in the thread Dave. You DID put all truthers into one group.

Not all "Truthers" think that it was something else besides a plane that flew into the Pentagon. Truthers don't believe the OS put forth by the Govt; that 9/11 was a bolt-out-of-the-blue surprise attack upon the US by Muslim terrorists. And that, (the OS), we know is a lie.

So you see, while you may want to help find the truth about what happened that day by showing studies that support the plane in pentagon theory; please remember that in so doing you should also help by proposing other theories that haven't been dis-proven.

Here is a theory, and I don't necessarily believe this, it's just a possibility I speculated about.

What if they don't want to release the videos , not because it wasn't an passenger plane (it could have been a passenger plane we don't know that yet), but what if the true reason is deeper and more complex.

What if this is being used as some sort of psychological litmus test?

What if they are simply gauging our reasoning skills and our reactions and examining them?

What if their main goal is to make us "THINK" they are "HIDING SOMETHING" by refusing the release the goods, in order to just make us reject our government's pointless treachery?

You know how the old "NWO theory" goes, the elite want to make Americans reject their government so that we will accept a global form of government? Kissinger said supposedly, they would have people in the streets demanding UN intervention into our crisis.

What if this is just another drop in the bucket? Another reason to add to the list of purposely created and false reasonings perpetrated only for the sole purpose of making us revolt and get rid of this "Constitutional Republic" form of government? And usher in a new globalized system in a quick mad dash to find SOMETHING to replace it with, anything.

And then true problem-reaction-solution style, they offer us the answer on a platter. But this answer has been carefully designed and molded for decades and very well could be a full return of Aristocratic Tyranny.

This reason this would be a trick I think, is because it makes us reject our "really crappy but manageable" society into a very likely possibility of a "totally unmanageable collapse into violence" that a global government system would create at this point in time.

Oh I could go on forever about possibilities on "why they would fake faking it". It's an interesting scenario we don't examine enough, IMHO.

So not only could it have been a plane, but they might be purposefully withholding the 100s of allegedly existing videos for the singular purpose of being a jerk. This is possible, most gov't people are jerks actually in real life. It's not that far out actually, it's really down to Earth.

The easy way to clear all this up, is to release all trhe photos from the pentagon. Its the end of the story then. So why wont they release them??? If they released those photos then perhaps all the truthers would believe the OS. Which is a crock in my opinion.

Originally posted by weedwhacker


It would still not shut up the "no-planers"!!!. As evidenced by the myriad and ridiculous "discussions" about NYC impacts.....truly, it is a self-delusion of some staggering proportions....

Hmm, comparing one event with full video feeds to an event with no video feed at all.
Illogical argument.

Throwing in derogatory terminology intended to trivialize any attempt at reasoning, investigation, or questioning.
Insult added to injury.

That's 2 for 2.

Have you any rational position to justify your disagreement, or are you merely ranting based on your preconceived notions and beliefs?

I do not know what happened. You however, seem unjustifiably convinced in your views.

We don't have all the facts yet. A lot are still classified documents. We simply don't know either way, what really happened. We just know the math doesn't add up so well, and want to find the missing parameters to make sense of it all.

But to hear the way you spin it, it sounds like it's a freaking crime to merely ask a few questions to make sense of an anomaly.