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Originally posted by zerbot565
reply to post by nenothtu
argentina
iraq
kosovo
iraq
afganistan/pakistan
?edit on 9-2-2011 by zerbot565 because: guess i can add bosnia aswellö
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by nenothtu
Things are never the way "They say" they are...
edit on 9-2-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by nenothtu
Actually no my friend, what happened on 9-11 was not an act of war, it was a criminal act.
So since the people who are in custody are not part of an army, an army we have declared war on, and are being held outside of the rules of the Geneva Convention then they absolutely have a right to a fair and speedy trial, just as we have a right to know the truth.
They weren't arrested in New York or DC, they were captured on a battlefield in Afghanistan, in the process of prosecuting combat. That makes it an act of war, not a "criminal action" subject to police procedures and judicial review.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by nenothtu
They weren't arrested in New York or DC, they were captured on a battlefield in Afghanistan, in the process of prosecuting combat. That makes it an act of war, not a "criminal action" subject to police procedures and judicial review.
Some of them were, some of them weren't. The truth is you can't have it both ways. You either have to treat them legally to the terms of the Geneva Conventions if they were legitimately plucked from the battlefield, or you have to give them criminal trials.
In this case we are violating both international and constitutional law by doing neither.
The truth is you can't have it both ways.
So once again you are just lying to yourself while you regal us with stories of your life,
and try to extract mine if you feel they can help you make an ad-hominin argument
to deflect from the fact that no the Taliban and Al-Quida were never aligned
and invading to pluck anyone off a battlefield defending their home soil was based on a lie.
Situational awareness really would help you my friend.
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I WAS, however, trying to get some sort of handle on the logic you were attempting to wield. Was there any there, or was it more like trying to grab smoke? See, if you could have attempted an actual answer to some of those questions, there might have been a nugget in there somewhere that could be grasped, and would have assisted in trying to figure out just what angle you were trying to approach the problem from. As it turned out, however....
You are as bland and lifeless as a bit of roadkill."You work the numbers " where's your proof.More blah ,blah, blah.....come on I dare you to say something that isn't unsupported retoric.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Earth to nenothtu you do realize that the sum total of the people agreeing with your agruments are the sum total of the people in the forum gang invited to particpate in the thread right?
You and that small group have utterly failed to convince anyone but yourselves in the validty of what you are saying.
Considering who is in that gang isn't even saying much.
Now in case you haven't figured it out yet, yes my logic is very sound, yes it's based on some very solid observations and strategies, and no the fact that a few people who can't even be honest about why or how they post play these little games, not only does not negate that but won't disuade that.
This is a thread where in fact it should have recieved no more than 10 flags and been no more than a couple of pages, which just so happens to be the one every 2.3 months an unamed poster that leads said gang sends out a number of U2U's to get together a like minded group of posters, to basically argue with me for the sake of arguing with me, where yes, a simple revue of those arguments will display ad-hominin attack after ad-homin attack in an attempt to bait me.
Now while no, I don't disclose every detail of my life and what I am doing, the ones that I do are straightforward and honest and sincere.
The Taliban and Al-Queda were not alligned, the pretext for the war in Afghanistan like the war in Iraq was a lie.
Grow up guys, get a real life, and stop working so hard to screw up the world.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by lonegurkha
You are as bland and lifeless as a bit of roadkill."You work the numbers " where's your proof.More blah ,blah, blah.....come on I dare you to say something that isn't unsupported retoric.
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That must be why I am the most widely starred poster on ATS huh?
Once again though, the truth is that no, Al-Quida and the Taliban are not aligned and the pretext for the war in Afghanistan like Iraq was based on lies.
Just what ATS needed another troll.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by nenothtu
Do you mean you've NEVER paid taxes, neither federal or local? Does your "virtue" lead you to shirk that particular civic duty, then?
Sorry you aren't talking with one of the slaves of the corporate government.
In fact I have spent hours and hours at the IRS office over the years asking them to produce where I have a personal contractual obligation to fund in part the United States Inc and they have never been able to do so.
Social Duty as opposed to Civic Duty requires you only do what you can to help those that you wish too and can.
I owe the government nothing, it has never done anything for me, and I have never asked it to do so either.
I did not grant it's charter, and I played no part in the formulation of it's laws, nor do I have any representation within it.
Since I am not represented in the Government, recieve no services from the Government, did not decree the existence of the Government, no I really as a free and natural human being born on the planet Earth have any obligation to it.
Nor would I be able to imagine why I would want to support a corporation that might as well be known as Murder Inc.
In fact the government has laid claim to such resources and lands, that it should be able to fund itself through the sale, rent and lease of those things and pay it's people a dividend.
Instead they tax them as corporate property and utilize the people as free range slaves in a murderous system that sustains itself as a violent mercenary endeavor.
You would really have to be out of your mind or just stone cold stupid to pledge allegiance and voluntarily fund and obey such an enterprise. Not to mention have absolutely no self respect.
Thanks!
Step back from the edge, friend. You're getting dangerously close to negating your own claims through unwarranted hubris, all because you feel your back to the wall. We can all play nice.,
to basically argue with me for the sake of arguing with me, where yes, a simple revue of those arguments will display ad-hominin attack after ad-homin attack in an attempt to bait me.