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Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Taking risks to do what you believe is right.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Thepreye
reply to post by nenothtu
That's ok, I just think when talking around complex issues it helps to have a correct understanding of the issue under discussion, it avoids unnecessary arguments in an area where we are bound to have pertinent arguments, I've noted some piss poor comprehension skills in this thread folk arguing against a poster when they themselves don't actually know what the other poster actually said.
Originally posted by Thepreye
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Taking risks to do what you believe is right.
Agreed.
Comprehension, here you think Proto said "Taking risks to do what you believe, is right" when he actually said "Taking risks to do what you believe is right" do you see now how they are very different statements, as usual Proto was right and your misunderstanding sort of negates your entire argument.
How is a mercenary killing for the corporation any different from a hood killing for the coke, don't get me wrong I don't disparage either but I acknowledge what they are without a judgement on their character, they are both guys after a buck and willing to kill to enrich themselves, no discernible difference.
Originally posted by SmokeandShadow
Ummmm..this had been obvious from day one. The Taliban are fighting for control of Afghanistan, not because they hate the U.S and our freedom (though I am sure their idea of freedom is crap, but so is ours currently) but because they were the "legitimate" government their beforehand.
The Islamic State government remained the internationally recognized government of Afghanistan. The Taliban's Islamic Emirate received recognition only from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the United Arab Emirates. The Taliban imposed on the parts of Afghanistan under their control their political and judicial interpretation of Islam issuing edicts forbidding women to work outside the home, attend school, or to leave their homes unless accompanied by a male relative...
The Islamic State of Afghanistan was the name of the state of Afghanistan after the collapse of the communist regime, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, in 1992. In 1996, the country was renamed the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan by the Taliban, after seizing control of the majority of the country. The United Front (United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan, UIF), known in the West as the Afghan Northern Alliance, was created by the Islamic State of Afghanistan that same year. It was the legitimate representative of Afghanistan in the United Nations until 2001, when it became the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.
The Taliban were never the internationally recognized "Legitimate" Government of Afghanistan... They took power in the chaos of the aftermath of Afghanistan's war with the Soviets.
Originally posted by jackflap
reply to post by SLAYER69
The Taliban were never the internationally recognized "Legitimate" Government of Afghanistan... They took power in the chaos of the aftermath of Afghanistan's war with the Soviets.
Holy bean dip Slayer, you know a lot. Was it the Taliban we saddled up with to over throw the Soviets way back then?
Originally posted by xavi1000
reply to post by nenothtu
I don't know you , i judge your opinions from your posts and i don't have intentions to offend you personally.
If you can't see the picture in the world and the difference between patriotism and false patriotism that is not my fault.Patriotism ,courage and bravery is not invading other countries on basic on false stories like WMD or chasing some cave man hidden in Afghanistan which was interviewed several times by western reporters .Patriotism ,courage and bravery is not playing the role world policemen and taking resources from other countries.
Patriotism ,courage and bravery is when you defend your family ,country from outside attacks.Clear as that !
US will not be a strong empire 1000 years ..all empires failing.
So calm down , hide your knife and gun in basement , go dine with your family ,smile and dont talk about things which you are so biased.
Although you'll hear that a lot around the boards they are not. We supported the Mujaheddin which were a mixture of many Afghan tribes that banded together to defeat the Soviets. After the Soviet Pull out in 1989 the US and others dropped the ball and did not follow up with Support to help rebuild a devistated country and economy.
The people of Afghanistan had no help from us, and the Taliban took over Afghanistan and turned it into a horror story for the people of Afghanistan and a horrible threat for the people of the Western world. But the Taliban, did, as I say, did not just emerge in power. It was there because the United States policy permitted it to be or even acquiesced to it or even supported the creation of the Taliban in agreement with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
Originally posted by jackflap
I read that there was a deal with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to oversee Afghanistan.
The people of Afghanistan had no help from us, and the Taliban took over Afghanistan and turned it into a horror story for the people of Afghanistan and a horrible threat for the people of the Western world. But the Taliban, did, as I say, did not just emerge in power. It was there because the United States policy permitted it to be or even acquiesced to it or even supported the creation of the Taliban in agreement with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
Congress ional Record Google Books
Strange isn't it?
Originally posted by antar
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
So you take responsibility for the massive head injuries they sustain due to lack of proper funding going to those out in the field? Each time you purchase something from the store, or buy gas, or do anything, you are contributing and paying tax. Whats the difference?
The Taliban, alternative spelling Taleban, (طالبان ṭālibān, meaning "students" in Farsi and Pashto) is an Islamist militia group that ruled large parts of Afghanistan from September 1996 onwards. Although in control of Afghanistan's capital (Kabul) and most of the country for five years, the Taliban's Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan gained diplomatic recognition from only three states: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.
Originally posted by jackflap
reply to post by SLAYER69
The Taliban, alternative spelling Taleban, (طالبان ṭālibān, meaning "students" in Farsi and Pashto) is an Islamist militia group that ruled large parts of Afghanistan from September 1996 onwards. Although in control of Afghanistan's capital (Kabul) and most of the country for five years, the Taliban's Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan gained diplomatic recognition from only three states: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.
en.wikipedia.org...
They were actually in control two years after the Soviets pulled out. They could have been stopped before they became too big, if you read the link I posted you'll see. Yes, it's a damn shame.
Originally posted by lonegurkha
reply to post by Doomzilla
By the same logic........Why should I pay school taxes when I have no children.
Im not asking you to
Why should I pay taxes for welfare people to get medicaid and better coverage than I can afford for myself
im not asking you to .
Why should I pay taxes for a thousand other things the government provides that I don't use or need.
Im not asking you to
The answer is that I have a responsibility as a citizen of this nation to abide by the laws laid down by the dually elected officials of the state
If you vote maybe yes , i dont
.If I don't like what they do there are legal ways to change those same laws.
Really? do tell more can you tell me how to "legally change " the patriot act for example?
What part of free country are you having trouble with.Every free country has ways for citizens to change or influence their representatives.I recommend you stop demonstrating your ignorance in public
IMO your the one displaying ignorance , you are the legalised slave not me . You are the one who defends slaughter of innocent people not me ,
and try to learn about the system you live in.
I think you need to friend , people like you are the illuminatis dream , you risk the lives of your kids to protect the elite NOT me . you are the gullible one who works his ass off just to make the rich richer . and defends the system more than you defend INNOCENT humans .
Soviets pulled out over the winter of 1988/1989. The Taliban didn't even exist until 1994, and didn't claim to be in control until 1996 - almost 8 years after the withdrawal. In reality, at NO time did the Taliban control more than 60 % of Afghanistan, which portion constantly changed with the fortunes of the civil war. The Taliban were only ever recognized as legitimate by 3 countries that I can think of. Every one else recognized the Northern Alliance, per the original Peshawar Accords.
I was always so frustrated about this, because I knew that the United States Government had a policy of supporting or at least acquiescing to this monstrous regime. For years, I was asking for our Secretary of State Albright to provide the papers to me as a senior member of the Commitee on International Relations to see about America's support for the Taliban.