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Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by exile1981
Originally posted by exile1981
When was the last time someone blowing (or trying to) up an airplane turned out to not be Muslim?
Wasnt sure if you were asking this question seriously on a forum like ATS. If you were being serious, then just wanted to remind you that 9/11 was an inside job...
Originally posted by Monts
Religion isn't violent- People are violent.
Religion is just the object through which violent people express themselves and justify their evil actions.
I haven't read the thread yet... but I'm sure this has been said more than a few times- it's the truth!
Originally posted by MareBellator
reply to post by gladtobehere
Your obviously new here. Friendly reminder, not everyone on ATS believes 9/11 was an inside job, sorry.
Originally posted by purpledrapes
Let me start off by saying that I am new here and the sole reason I made an account was so that I could post on this thread. I actually found ATS about 15 minutes ago.
I also want to mention that I am devoutly Islamic.
1) The actual definition of 'Jihad' is to 'strive'. You know, everyday life struggles. Like how a man strives to provide the best life for his wife and kids. Like how a person strives to remain religious in a Satanic-driven world...that sort of thing.
2) It was mentioned a lot in this thread that Islam is violent in its very nature, from the very beginning: the Quran. Now, I've read the Quran, in Arabic and in a few English translations. These English translations are not "word of God" but of "scholars" who have dedicated their lives to translate the Quran from "Old Arabic" to "New English" or "New Urdu". Obviously it's the next best thing when you can't understand Arabic.
But you have to take it with a grain of salt. A different time frame of a different culture translated by a corrupt man for a present world; it's not the same thing. He obviously knows the implications of translating a few surahs (chapters) and ayats (verses) into ones sounding more violent than it's supposed to; nitpicking, cutting and changing in just the right places.
A lot of reasonably sound people know not to take the Quran at face value, (nor the Bible for the matter) but then you have corrupt people, brainwashing vulnerable, uneducated youth to act a certain way to make "God" have "mercy on their soul" or else they'll "burn in the fiery gates of Hell".
It happens with every religion, but the vast majority of Muslims are poor and uneducated and don't know any better against these leaders.
It's the same in the West and the Occident but our youth is brainwashed through different channels. Common ground in Saudi Arabia is Allah...while...in the States common ground is Ke$ha. Whatever.
/The religion at its core is sound.
//What I'm trying to get at is Islam is peaceful, but people can use ANYTHING as "evidence" to make it not (terrorist extreme fundamentalists? muslim haters?)
edit on 7-2-2011 by purpledrapes because: ///I am Canadian. Changed "America" to "the West and the Occident"
One of the great questions of the 21st century is: What is the true nature of Islam? There are two distinct answers to this question from the media and leaders. The popular message is that Islam is one of the great world religions, a peaceful religion, a foundation of world civilization, its Golden Age was the highpoint of history, and it preserved Western thought while we were in the Dark Ages. The alternative message is that Islam is a brutal, backward, woman abusing, violent, intellectually narrow ideology that is out to annihilate civilization.
Which side is right? How do we resolve this issue? Can it even be resolved? If we turn to the “experts” of any of the opinions, they will tell you that their view is correct. What then is the ultimate authority that will give us a firm foundation for reasoning and judgment about Islam? Is it possible to use critical thought or must we just accept the authority of experts? There is way to achieve consensus about ideas that goes beyond expert opinion. The use of facts along with logic is the basis of critical thought. The ultimate form of critical thought uses measurements and numbers to resolve questions. This paper will use the foundational texts of Islam and measure the importance of ideas by how many words are given to concepts. The assumption is that the more content that is devoted to a subject, the greater the importance of the subject is. As an example: the Koran devotes 64% of its text to the subject of the unbeliever. This is assumed to imply that the unbeliever is important in Islamic doctrine.
Originally posted by binomialtheorem
Originally posted by EssenSieMich
Violence is culturally accepted by many Muslims which is why it persists. Christian cultures in the past have also been violent toward opposing Christian branches but in time it became socially unacceptable and therefore disappeared. As long as violence among Muslims remains culturally acceptable they will remain violent.
And what gives you the right to make a statement like that?
p.s. I'm a Muslim and I just wanted to know what my religion is "really" like.
www.abovetopsecret.com...edit on 7-2-2011 by binomialtheorem because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by trumpetthief1
Right on man, I'm from a Muslim family as well and have read (and memorized parts of the Quran) in native arabic many times. The main pillars are to read namaz, read quran, to do hajj, to give salat, and believing in one god. Since those are the five basics they are thus the most important parts of it.