Hello All,

I'm a new member and I've been testing the waters by participating in a few topics; I greatly appreciate the repartee and send warm greetings to everyone.

A topic that is near and dear to my heart is the “chemtrail” phenomenon, and I've been posting in one of the threads currently bouncing around the forums. As a new member I’ve been reluctant to post my own thread, because of the dizzying array of posts already out there and all the good ones seem to be not so much taken, as taken and argued to a bloody pulp, so I apologize in advance if I’m stealing someone's thunder or if this should be under Rants as opposed to wherever it is it ended up.

Here’s the nutshell:

I noticed a big difference in the appearance of contrails in the last decade, especially the last several years where they expand and cover the sky with haze every day. I have lived all over the country and never noticed contrails behaving like this, (save perhaps B52s in the 60s), and I’ve lived in Oregon for the last 30 years and only noticed the marked difference in contrails in the last decade. They now cover the sky and they appear to be laid down deliberately. Without a doubt, something had changed, so only when I noticed the difference did I begin to learn about the chemtrail phenomenon.

One of the things I notice about many of the chemtrail threads is that they devolve into discussions about minutiae which tend to derail the conversation; so I’d like to avoid the details and just focus the time frame and photographic evidence.

I’ve read that the spraying began in the late 90s and as early as 1990. That sounds about right based on my own experience. If this is a phenomenon that I somehow missed when I was growing up, it should be visible in photographs and movies somewhere. I know they don’t appear in any of the photos of my childhood and youth, not that they would always be there, but I do catch them in the photos and videos I take these days; you can’t seem take a photo or video which includes a patch of sky without catching one.

Has anyone researched this and compiled a list of photos that show contrails behaving like they do today? There must be movies that include them; I know they are included in some recent cartoons and video games, but how about Hollywood? Can any film fans dig out some old videos from the 80s and show us skies that look like they have chemtrails in them? How about newer films? Are they there and when did they start showing up?

I’ve done a bunch of searches for photos from the 80s for example, specifically for outdoors shots that might include the sky…concerts, air shows and the like. The only thing I’ve noticed is that the skies look better in those shots than they do today, and nowhere can I find an example of what we describe as a chemtrail today, and certainly not grids and lines like we see today.

Photos anyone? I can’t find any chemtrail photos from the 20th century.

Again, if this is an old, well worn topic, sorry I missed it.

I wish you luck in this, however, I think you might have a hard time with this. If you are really interested, I would contact the leading folk who are researching and making presentations on the topic.

now this is what i am talking about. Every movie it seems has chem-trails in them when they show outdoor scenes. This summer the kool-aid commercial. the begining of the tv show -the pawn shop-many others. I dig westerns and i chalange any of you to find a chem-trail in a movie made befor 1990.

Come on WEEDWACKER try to back up all the bull you have been spreading on here-
great question op and thanks--

Its global dimming-project cloverleaf

Originally posted by Yankee451
I’d like to avoid the details and just focus the time frame

As far as time frame is concerned, as the years go by, the population increases, more planes are built, more planes are flying in the air. Planes are flying higher, thus keeping their contrails in the air longer.

So, 20-30 years ago, there weren't as many planes in the skies, thus there weren't as many contrails. It isn't rocket science.

Originally posted by Yankee451
and photographic evidence.

I'll show some photographic evidence:





One of the main "proofs" of "chemtrails" is that they stay in the sky and just spread and don't dissipate. Well, if contrails are being called "chemtrails" in part by that alone, then the above image of clouds also has to be called "chemtrails" as contrails that stay in the sky and clouds are exactly the same thing. They are both frozen, crystallized water vapor.

Clouds and contrails are made up of the same exact thing: water vapor. Thus they will both hang and stay in the sky, both spread out in the sky, and both will dissipate when evaporated.


You don't get a much easier explanation than that.

Cars also make contrails on the ground:







Due to the difference in air density, humidity, and temperature at ground level and up where planes fly, is why the contrail from your car evaporates alot faster than a plane's. Not to mention the amount of water vapor from your car's tailpipe is very small compared to a large jet engine.

If you could drive your car across the sky where planes fly, you would see the exact same contrails going across the sky, hanging out and spreading out. Again, not rocket science.

weedwacker cant explain that here in the boonies of wisconsin we have no major air traffic TILL the chem-trailing planes star flying then some days a hundred planes go over??? every 10 minutes?? then when a front from the south comes-no planes for days??? [ after all why spray for canada] then the fronts change to a eastern -southern or eastern change and WOW here they come again!!!
SO obvious----global diming project simply put.

The ice pack is the lowest this winter then ever in the north, Mid and eastern canada was 39 degrees above normal for december and first half of january??? [ seems canada dosnt shem-trail like we do] and since they chem=trailed the crap out of us, you saw it works by our cool temps for the most part of the country.

global dimming project You can pull that different plane engine stuff on a city person but not on a country man of 55 years WEEDWACKER - but i will say your a good shill.

Is that because country men of 55 years know everything there is to know about Jet engines?

whereas I'm a city slicker who has only been an aircraft mechanic for 36 years and knows nothing about them so I'm easy to fool, along with all the other mechanics and engineers and pilots and meteorologists and atmospheric scientists around the world as well?

As an appeal to authority on the physics of the atmosphere and jet engines, claiming to living in the countryside for 55 years seems a little thin. Sorry dude.

Originally posted by alyoshablue
I wish you luck in this, however, I think you might have a hard time with this. If you are really interested, I would contact the leading folk who are researching and making presentations on the topic.

Or just wait and see what awesomeness comes to the table. Awesome work, guys.