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Jonestown, Guyana & It's Connection to MK-ULTRA

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posted on Jul, 14 2004 @ 04:45 AM
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The .lines the day of the massacre read: "Cult Dies in South American Jungle: 400 Die in Mass Suicide, 700 Flee into Jungle." By all accounts in the press, as well as People's Temple statements there were at least 1,100 people at Jonestown. There were 809 adult passports found there, and reports of 300 children (276 found among the dead, and 210 never identified). The .line figures from the first day add to the same number: 1,100. The original body count done by the Guyanese was 408, and this figure was initially agreed to by U.S. Army authorities on site. However, over the next few days, the total of reported dead began to rise quickly. The Army made a series of misleading and openly false statements about the discrepancy. The new total, which was the official final count, was given almost a week later by American authorities as 913. A total of 16 survivors were reported to have returned to the U.S. Where were the others?

At their first press conference, the Americans claimed that the Guyanese "could not count." These local people had carried out the gruesome job of counting the bodies, and later assisted American troops in the process of poking holes in the flesh lest they explode from the gasses of decay. Then the Americans proposed another theory -- they had missed seeing a pile of bodies at the back of the pavilion. The structure was the size of a small house, and they had been at the scene for days. Finally, we were given the official reason for the discrepancy -- bodies had fallen on top of other bodies, adults covering children.

It was a simple, if morbid, arithmetic that led to the first suspicions. The 408 bodies discovered at first count would have to be able to cover 505 bodies for a total of 913. In addition, those who first worked on the bodies would have been unlikely to miss bodies lying beneath each other since each body had to be punctured. Eighty-two of the bodies first found were those of children, reducing the number that could have been hidden below others. A search of nearly 150 photographs, aerial and close-up, fails to show even one body lying under another, much less 500.

It seemed the first reports were true, 400 had died, and 700 had fled to the jungle. The American authorities claimed to have searched for people who had escaped, but found no evidence of any in the surrounding area. At least a hundred Guyanese troops were among the first to arrive, and they were ordered to search the jungle for survivors. In the area, at the same time, British Black Watch troops were on "training exercises," with nearly 600 of their best-trained commandos. Soon, American Green Berets were on site as well. The presence of these soldiers, specially trained in covert killing operations, may explain the increasing numbers of bodies that appeared.

Most of the photographs show the bodies in neat rows, face down. There are few exceptions. Close shots indicate drag marks, as though the bodies were positioned by someone after death. Is it possible that the 700 who fled were rounded up by these troops, brought back to Jonestown and added to the body count?

If so, the bodies would indicate the cause of death. A new word was coined by the media, "suicide-murder." But which was it? Autopsies and forensic science are a developing art. The detectives of death use a variety of scientific methods and clues to determine how people die, when they expire, and the specific cause of death. Dr. Mootoo, the top Guyanese pathologist, was at Jonestown within hours after the massacre. Refusing the assistance of U.S. pathologists, he accompanied the teams that counted the dead, examined the bodies, and worked to identify the deceased. While the American press screamed about the "Kool-Aid Suicides," Dr. Mootoo was reaching a much different opinion.

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To comprehend this well-financed, sinister operation, we must abandon the myth that this was a religious commune and study instead the history that led to its formation. Jonestown was an experiment, part of a 30-year program called MK-ULTRA, the CIA and military intelligence code name for mind control. A close study of Senator Ervin's 1974 report, Individual Rights and the Government's Role in Behavior Modification, shows that these agencies had certain "target populations" in mind, for both individual and mass control. Blacks, women, prisoners, the elderly, the young, and inmates of psychiatric wards were selected as "potentially violent." There were plans in California at the time for a Center for the Study and Reduction of Violence, expanding on the horrific work of Dr. Jos Delgado, Drs. Mark and Ervin, and Dr. Jolly West, experts in implantation, psychosurgery, and tranquilizers. The guinea pigs were to be drawn from the ranks of the "target populations," and taken to an isolated military missile base in California. In that same period, Jones began to move his Temple members to Jonestown. The were the exact population selected for such tests.

The meticulous daily notes and drug records kept by Larry Schacht disappeared, but evidence did not. The history of MK-ULTRA and its sister programs (MK-DELTA, ARTICHOKE, BLUEBIRD, etc.) records a combination of drugs, drug mixtures, electroshock and torture as methods for control. The desired results ranged from temporary and permanent amnesia, uninhibited confessions, and creation of second personalities, to programmed assassins and preconditioned suicidal urges. One goal was the ability to control mass populations, especially for cheap labor.
Dr. Delgado told Congress that he hoped for a future where a technology would control workers in the field and troops at war with electronic remote signals. He found it hard to understand why people would complain about electrodes implanted in their brains to make them "both happy and productive."

On the scene at Jonestown, Guyanese troops discovered a large cache of drugs, enough to drug the entire population of Georgetown, Guyana (well over 200,000) for more than a year. According to survivors, these were being used regularly "to control" a population of only 1,100 people. One footlocker contained 11,000 doses of thorazine, a dangerous tranquilizer. Drugs used in the testing for MK-ULTRA were found in abundance, including sodium pentathol (a truth serum), chloral hydrate (a hypnotic), demerol, thalium (confuses thinking), and many others. Schacht had supplies of haliopareael and largatil as well, two other major tranquilizers. The actual description of life at Jonestown is that of a tightly run concentration camp, complete with medical and psychiatric experimentation. The stresses and isolation of the victims is typical of sophisticated brainwashing techniques. The drugs and special tortures add an additional experimental aspect to the horror. This more clearly explains the medical tags on the bodies, and why they had to be removed. It also suggests an additional motive for frustrating any chemical autopsies, since these drugs would have been found in the system of the dead.

The story of Jonestown is that of a gruesome experiment, not a religious utopian society. On the eve of the massacre, Forbes Burnham was reportedly converted to "born again" Christianity by members of the Full Gospel Christian Businessman's Association, including Lionel Luckhoo, a Temple lawyer in Guyana. This same group, based in California, also reportedly converted Guatemalan dictator Rios Montt prior to his massacres there and they were in touch with Jim Jones in Ukiah. They currently conduct the White House prayer breakfasts for Mr. Reagan. With Ryan on his way to Jonestown, the seal of secrecy was broken. In a desperate attempt to test their conditioning methods, the Jonestown elite apparently tried to implement a real suicide drill. Clearly, it led to a revolt, and the majority of people fled, unaware that there were people waiting to catch them.

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Mind Control Experimentation in Guyana

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I am always amazed when I hear about things like this. It just goes to show how weak the average human mind is. Most people will believe anything you tell them. But in instances like this, I have no pity for them. They made the decision to walk that path, and when that path ended up running off of a cliff, they have no one else to blame but themselves.



Mr. M

[edit on 14-7-2004 by StarChild]




posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 02:11 AM
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Nobody interested in this one either? Jeez...


Mr. M



posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 03:38 PM
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Well just think how negative the society we live in would be if we walked around trusting nobody, many people just want to live normal happy lives, it's not the people's fault for signing up for something that was supposedly a good thing.
The government has been pulling the wool over people's eyes for along time, like they are really watching out and caring for us.. what bs.
The people that don't want to believe it are the people that vote for the two parties imo... Both are so blinded by party politics and both sides have been known to decieve the public time after time.

It's the governments fault for misleading us over and over again, it's their fault for pretending to be something they clearly aren't. Their everything but what they say they are... And I too feel sorry for people that buy into, I guess we're all living in a fantasy world.



posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by StarChild
Nobody interested in this one either? Jeez...


Mr. M


im not sure what the point is. maybe you could summarize in one or two sentences? gimme the 'bush summary'.
all i got out of this article is that the techniques employed by mk-ultra were similar to those used in jonestown... which makes sense- brainwashing has been around for ages, and the general science of it should be the same no matter who's doing it. as for the cia connections, where's the proof? im not trying to apologize for the cia, im sure they're capable of orchestrating something like jonestown, but it's all too easy to play 'connect the dots' and come up with a cool sounding story.

-koji K.



posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by StarChild
Nobody interested in this one either? Jeez...


Actually I am quite interested. Leo Ryan was from the bay area. But I have dont a lot of reading into this topic. One point that seems to be missed (not a smoking gun mind you) is that SRI International a private research and think tank (They invented the mouse among other things) did alot of research for the CIA in the 60's and 70's the remote viewing experiments were one of the, Its not a stretch to imagine that they would have participated in MKUltra research. There are in throwing distance of Stanford University and Medical Center, not to mention that Jim Jones spent alot of time in Ukaih, CA which is about 3 hours from the Menlo Park HQ of SRI. He could eaily been the subject of experiments.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 07:54 AM
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Good point, FredT. Do you think it is possible to obtain his employment and educational background somehow for analyzation?


Mr. M



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by StarChild
Good point, FredT. Do you think it is possible to obtain his employment and educational background somehow for analyzation?


Problably not. I worked at SRI as a bank teller in the Credit union one summer. There are alot of areas that are not accesable at all. Including several sub levels. How many I don't know. The elevators all reguired key access to get below the basement level were we are. On day they were working on one and I peered down the shaft. The elevator seemed to be at least 4-5 stories below my level.

If Jones was part of MK Ultra there, I doubt if they would have kept any or all records. You may have some luck with the county that the city of Ukiah is in, can't rember off the top of my .. Alot of CO have records online now.

Fred



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