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posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by newkid
Yea I'm with this guy, not the other guys, the debunkers, I want more concrete proof, 100% proof.


You did see my vidya didn't cha?



That's 100% proof that this occurred. If you don't believe me that's fine but prove it to be wrong.

-m0r




posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 06:26 AM
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wow real UFO, you rock man, almost as this real unedited, no CGI video, 100% proof that we are not alone.

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posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 06:30 AM
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bahhhh, this thread should be moved to hoax



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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Let me just introduce something that might be helpful.

I dont think even the skeptics will like what I will post, as it seems to unfair to everyone who want to actually have proof of extra terrestrial visitations. But here it is:



To those who insist that the debunkers reproduce the video by CGI, note that these Jerusalem threads didn't even get past the Human Incompetence Barrier

Heres a smaller version if you can't scroll:




posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 06:53 AM
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Ok IM JUST OFF TO GET MY CAMERA PHONE



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by skeptic_al

Originally posted by planetzog
Unfortunately most debunkers on this forum are 'experts'.

They have no qualifications or credentials but somehow they are still experts!!


You know there are "Experts" on CNN and NBC that are still proclaiming the Recession is over. Now you can believe these Experts, or you can believe ordinary people on YouTube showing what's happening in their Neighborhood.

And somebody could be a Computer Expert with a Piece of Paper that says so, but could not fix a Computer to save their own Life.

And just how does one become an Expert on UFOs or Aliens without any proof that they even Exist or don't Exist.
I consider myself to be an expert in Unobtainium.



You obviously did not read my posts.

There are a few here who say the Jerusalem UFO videos are 100%, without question, definitely a hoax. And what was their evidence, a shaky background!!! They were wrong to say this. However, if they had said, it could be a hoax or it is probably a hoax then fine, people can live with that. To date, no video or CGI expert has come out to say this video is definitely a hoax or fake. And this thread was created to give the so-called experts here an opportunity to show us how it was done. They have not done this because they cant!

They claim to be experts when they are in fact giving misleading statements which does not help anyone's cause.

Someone has already pointed out in page 5 that the bright light is seen entering a black triangular shaped UFO with red flashing lights. Check the video and see for yourself. No-one has explained this especially the so-called experts.

I cant explain what is going on in the video and I don't know if it is fake or real. And I certainly did not say it was aliens and spaceships! But to say the videos are 100% fake is just silly and ignorant. And what is even more ignorant are the people who say it's 100% saying 'well it is because someone else said so' without the evidence!



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 07:47 AM
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How does this topic deserve a new thread every time
someone thinks they have something new to bring to
the table? Nothing but bandwidth being wasted.. Mods?



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
Just a reminder this hoax has been debunked and this thread should be closed promptly and moved to the hoax section where it belongs.


Why should this thread be closed? Maybe you should read the OP again!



Simply I challenge someone to duplicate the above video as closely as you possibly can.

1. Use a simliar looking dark city landscape
2. 3 viewpoints.
3. duplicate the flash effect of said video.
4. Do whatever you need to do, just re-create what was done above on your COMPUTER.


It’s a challenge to make a believable video using the same techniques used in the HOAX video. Am I missing something?



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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What is there to debunk? A hoax done by a gang of juvenile delinquents no thanks.






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posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by planetzog

Originally posted by skeptic_al

Originally posted by planetzog
Unfortunately most debunkers on this forum are 'experts'.

They have no qualifications or credentials but somehow they are still experts!!


You know there are "Experts" on CNN and NBC that are still proclaiming the Recession is over. Now you can believe these Experts, or you can believe ordinary people on YouTube showing what's happening in their Neighborhood.

And somebody could be a Computer Expert with a Piece of Paper that says so, but could not fix a Computer to save their own Life.

And just how does one become an Expert on UFOs or Aliens without any proof that they even Exist or don't Exist.
I consider myself to be an expert in Unobtainium.



You obviously did not read my posts.

There are a few here who say the Jerusalem UFO videos are 100%, without question, definitely a hoax. And what was their evidence, a shaky background!!! They were wrong to say this. However, if they had said, it could be a hoax or it is probably a hoax then fine, people can live with that. To date, no video or CGI expert has come out to say this video is definitely a hoax or fake. And this thread was created to give the so-called experts here an opportunity to show us how it was done. They have not done this because they cant!

They claim to be experts when they are in fact giving misleading statements which does not help anyone's cause.

Someone has already pointed out in page 5 that the bright light is seen entering a black triangular shaped UFO with red flashing lights. Check the video and see for yourself. No-one has explained this especially the so-called experts.

I cant explain what is going on in the video and I don't know if it is fake or real. And I certainly did not say it was aliens and spaceships! But to say the videos are 100% fake is just silly and ignorant. And what is even more ignorant are the people who say it's 100% saying 'well it is because someone else said so' without the evidence!


I am not an Expert in UFO's or Manipulating Pixels, but my first thoughts were it was Fake, I just don't know how it was done or have the expertise to do so.

Just pure logic tells me it's fake.
Nobody closer than a few miles away noticed something landing on their heads or so close they could touch it. And nobody noticed the bright flash. The only ones that noticed it were people several miles away and all focused on the same area at same time, that was lucky. It just seems much more logical that several hoaxers were involved to earn their 15 Minutes.



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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G'day, I'm new here, pretty much. I want to see what the Debunkers have to say about the triangle red lights? No one has mentioned how they would do that?

I read the other thread, alot lot of it, i say and heresay.

This guy, asking those who have repeatedly said they could make this video easily, to make a video like this is not a stupid challenge or question. Remember you are the ones who said it would be easy. If it is easy do it. Otherwise state it would be alot harder then first stated.

Has the video any time signatures? The reason I ask is, if it is easy to do, and the time markers say that it is recent video footage, and you all prove it can be done quickly, these facts may help you debunk it.

Also if the footage has time signatures, you might be able to see if it was taken a month ago and played with.

If it is so easy, it would be in your best interest for your side of the arguement, to make an easily made video to match, just to show people it can be done.

I hope all the experts don't expect people to believe random forumers over the internet. I mean you use fake names. Do you expect people to believe you are experts when you can't show evidence, that you are?



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 08:22 AM
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Why is everyone having a problem staying on topic? There is a thread for those that want to discuss the HOAX. The OP has challenged anyone who would like to create a similar HOAX video.



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by skeptic_al

Originally posted by planetzog

Originally posted by skeptic_al

Originally posted by planetzog
Unfortunately most debunkers on this forum are 'experts'.

They have no qualifications or credentials but somehow they are still experts!!


You know there are "Experts" on CNN and NBC that are still proclaiming the Recession is over. Now you can believe these Experts, or you can believe ordinary people on YouTube showing what's happening in their Neighborhood.

And somebody could be a Computer Expert with a Piece of Paper that says so, but could not fix a Computer to save their own Life.

And just how does one become an Expert on UFOs or Aliens without any proof that they even Exist or don't Exist.
I consider myself to be an expert in Unobtainium.



You obviously did not read my posts.

There are a few here who say the Jerusalem UFO videos are 100%, without question, definitely a hoax. And what was their evidence, a shaky background!!! They were wrong to say this. However, if they had said, it could be a hoax or it is probably a hoax then fine, people can live with that. To date, no video or CGI expert has come out to say this video is definitely a hoax or fake. And this thread was created to give the so-called experts here an opportunity to show us how it was done. They have not done this because they cant!

They claim to be experts when they are in fact giving misleading statements which does not help anyone's cause.

Someone has already pointed out in page 5 that the bright light is seen entering a black triangular shaped UFO with red flashing lights. Check the video and see for yourself. No-one has explained this especially the so-called experts.

I cant explain what is going on in the video and I don't know if it is fake or real. And I certainly did not say it was aliens and spaceships! But to say the videos are 100% fake is just silly and ignorant. And what is even more ignorant are the people who say it's 100% saying 'well it is because someone else said so' without the evidence!


I am not an Expert in UFO's or Manipulating Pixels, but my first thoughts were it was Fake, I just don't know how it was done or have the expertise to do so.

Just pure logic tells me it's fake.
Nobody closer than a few miles away noticed something landing on their heads or so close they could touch it. And nobody noticed the bright flash. The only ones that noticed it were people several miles away and all focused on the same area at same time, that was lucky. It just seems much more logical that several hoaxers were involved to earn their 15 Minutes.



I respect your opinion and your reason for doubting the video. I agree with some of what you've said that it appears no-one near the dome saw it yet several people from miles away did, But it doesn't mean its a hoax.



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 08:35 AM
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It seems quite real to me......I'm no expert but I also do not deny Physics.......Check out the flash of light before the object shoots off. The light hits everything, buildings within the footage and features within the area. Simple really everyone concentrating on the object and not the surroundings.
And stated in a previous post the object is stationary during camera movement....not quite.....the object is rotating and it does in fact move quite a lot, from distance it seems quite stationary after its descent....it isn't.
AND btw.......the flash....thats terrestrial. Countermeasures?
Software to create a video even getting close to the real physics of the fractal effects of the flash on the surrounding area would not be cheap...You would have to insert each building in its correct place within the footage and there after again in each frame of the different light effects (Renderings).....like I said not cheap.
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posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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Since when was ATS about HOAX making competitions? this thread is completely pointless. What would be gained by making another similar hoax? why would I waste my time?



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by DreamerOracle
Software to create a video even getting close to the real physics of the fractal effects of the flash on the surrounding area would not be cheap........like I said not cheap.


Irrelevant, photoshop isn't cheap either and it's incredibly easy to get the full software for free, it's just illegal.



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 08:47 AM
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8 pages and none of you debunkers can create the same footage. You have had eight pages and all you can say is "we could but we won't" thats not evidence to debunk a theory.

I mean i can fly like superman, but i'm not gunna show you, You believe me?



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Arkady
Since when was ATS about HOAX making competitions? this thread is completely pointless. What would be gained by making another similar hoax? why would I waste my time?


I think it is a great topic. I want to see how real someone can make a video appear. It would help other people see the differences in a real video vs a HOAX video. In the future less people would be inclined to believe fake videos that are released. Or you can keep refusing to stay on topic and keep regurgitating the same argument from the other thread.



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by Slipdig1
8 pages and none of you debunkers can create the same footage. You have had eight pages and all you can say is "we could but we won't" thats not evidence to debunk a theory.

I mean i can fly like superman, but i'm not gunna show you, You believe me?


And now they're asking for this thread to be binned!



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 09:00 AM
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Build me a city in paintshop at night ...Lit in 3 minutes of video footage ...correctly with the flare hitting each building correctly........BTW no one on ATS can do it.
So yes maybe a pointless thread as all we have from the skeptics are words and a lot of , "look at this thread for proof"....when in fact that ...isn't... proof at all, just more opinions. I have given you proof of the flare, the object I don't know.
The poster who attempted the challenge.... well done..... but your flare doesn't even come close...its in the horizon as opposed to the real footage which is within the foreground. The object is also to clean but a great try better than the skeptics with nothing but words and opinions...not even a mention of the physics of the footage.
BTW hazard a guess .....magnetic propulsion/Anti-gravity due to the responsive attitude of the object as it reached each altitude.



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