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Open challenge to debunkers!

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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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reply to post by Paradigm2012
 


i laugh at these alleged " challengers to skeptics " because they are such a transparent exercise in stalling and time wasteing

what ever the skeptic responds with - believers will reject it , typically claiming :

" that wouldnt work "

" its not the same "

i can tell yours is CGI , I know the origional is real "

" thats imposible "

etc etc etc

believers of this ilk dont want debate or counterpoint - all they are attempting to do is waste peoples time setting " challenges " that they will AUTOMATICALLY regect




posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 10:57 AM
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You know what ? Don't expect me to read the #ing thread for you, because everthing is in there, you just have to take a look at the last ten pages.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 10:58 AM
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Typical. This is weak man.

Paradigm, with all do respect you're in no position to openly challenge the skeptics of these videos. They've already done most of the work in this case. Good, solid work.

Shouldn't you or anyone from your side of the fence participate in this as well? Besides sitting there and openly criticizing everything the skeptic camp has brought forth without offering anything concrete yourself.

I challenge you to prove why these are real. Do some of your own investigative work and present it here. This isn't a contest between the two camps. We're both trying to find the truth about these videos.

Judging by your name it's no surprise what your belief is. Hows about backing it up with something substantial that will convince people and move this case out of the hoax bin,

Theres a reason why its there... clearly you believers aren't doing a very good job of defending these videos.

edit on 6-2-2011 by PhotonEffect because: spelling



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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That works both ways... Over all this is a none productive fail of a thread though...



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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heres a faked one its alright but its not quite there yet in terms of the Jerusalem video




posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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You obviously know that UFOs are all man made and there are no such things as aliens so please tell us how you know this and provide evidence and proof.


What a ridiculous thing to to, and it demonstrates the mentality the average Joe shuns from when looking into this subject.

I never said, ever, that I know UFO's are man-made and that there are no such things as aliens. Yet, your level of ignorance compels you to believe that anybody that doesn't swallow the loads of bs that you like to swallow must belief that. So yeah, never said I knew what they are or if there are aliens. That's your mind causing you to want to believe I say that. It makes you more comfortable in your own ignorance.

What I do know is that the videos being discussed are fake, and any of you geniuses can run out, or not even leave your chair to download, a simple program, spend less than 30 days and you wont be fooled by such obvious tripe or depend on someone like me to show you how I fan fake it too.

So what, next time you see a cool youtube video you will want someone like me to fake it for you just to show you it can be done....for the rest of your life....or spend a month or so learn to do it yourself? You don't want to learn how to do it, because down deep you know it will deflate your overwhelming desire to believe and your not man enough to look in a mirror six months from now and laugh at some of the things you used to believe in before you educated yourself. It happens, don't be embarrassed.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a night, teach a man to fish and he wont be fooled by idiotic fake youtube videos. Simple as that.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 11:40 AM
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That was very convincing video. Whether human or alien there seems to be some intense technology going on if that thing really shot up in the air like that in the video. I am a debunker that may have just converted.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by BobbyTarass
reply to post by planetzog
 


You know what ? Don't expect me to read the #ing thread for you, because everthing is in there, you just have to take a look at the last ten pages.


Nothing is in there to prove its a fake.

And no need to use foul language!



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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we dont want people to make fakes to debunk videos, however when YOU CLAIM you can make one the same i say prove it, your the one claiming this no one specifically asked you to make one you claimed all by yourself that you could so please have a go and if not why not?

i dont claim to anything i cant do or back up! you obviously do



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
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That works both ways... Over all this is a none productive fail of a thread though...


Its only a non-productive thread because you cannot do what the OP challenges you to do!



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
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You obviously know that UFOs are all man made and there are no such things as aliens so please tell us how you know this and provide evidence and proof.


What a ridiculous thing to to, and it demonstrates the mentality the average Joe shuns from when looking into this subject.

I never said, ever, that I know UFO's are man-made and that there are no such things as aliens. Yet, your level of ignorance compels you to believe that anybody that doesn't swallow the loads of bs that you like to swallow must belief that. So yeah, never said I knew what they are or if there are aliens. That's your mind causing you to want to believe I say that. It makes you more comfortable in your own ignorance.

What I do know is that the videos being discussed are fake, and any of you geniuses can run out, or not even leave your chair to download, a simple program, spend less than 30 days and you wont be fooled by such obvious tripe or depend on someone like me to show you how I fan fake it too.

So what, next time you see a cool youtube video you will want someone like me to fake it for you just to show you it can be done....for the rest of your life....or spend a month or so learn to do it yourself? You don't want to learn how to do it, because down deep you know it will deflate your overwhelming desire to believe and your not man enough to look in a mirror six months from now and laugh at some of the things you used to believe in before you educated yourself. It happens, don't be embarrassed.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a night, teach a man to fish and he wont be fooled by idiotic fake youtube videos. Simple as that.


I think you'll find I have never said the Jerusalem videos are real!

The typical mentality of a debunker is to call everything a hoax or man made, attempt to ridicule who disagrees with you and call them mentally ill which is what you've done with your post.

You said you know the videos are fake and the OP is simply asking you to prove it. The OP challenged you and your fellow debunkers to recreate the videos, which you all claim to be hoax but none of you can. Remember its you who is saying its a hoax.

And when you cannot live up to the challenge you resort to being rude, ignorant and calling anyone who disagrees with you mentally ill.

All you need to do is recreate the video with the exact same detail and step by step explanation of how you did it. Until then, you do not claim something to be fact when you dont know what it really is!



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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Look, its simple. No, I wont make a fake UFO video for you guys. If for some reason that allows you to believe that the video you so desperately want to be real is, well then that is the mentality we are dealing with.

And I am again sorry you are too ignorant to understand how easy and cheap it is to make these type of videos using VERY EASY to use software. Your inability to believe the average person can do this type of video is because you don't know how it's done, and how dare anyone know something you don't, lol.

And, again, how will me making a simple video to demonstrate how easy this is to do change any of your minds about anything?

It's simple guys, learn to do it yourself so you don't end up looking so, well....foolish.

If you would like, I can point you to a very cheap program you can purchase online and I would be more than happy to teach you how to use it. Then you can go out and make all the UFO videos you want.
edit on 6-2-2011 by IgnoreTheFacts because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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Great thread my friend.

You obviously generated interest from the debunkers but none of them can do what you challenged them to do.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
Look, its simple. No, I wont make a fake UFO video for you guys. If for some reason that allows you to believe that the video you so desperately want to be real is, well them that is the mentality we are dealing with.

And I am again sorry you are too ignorant to understand how easy and cheap it is to make these type of videos using VERY EASY to use software. You inability to believe the average person can do this type of video is because you don't know how it's done, and how dare anyone know something you don't, lol.

And, again, how will me making a simple video to demonstrate how easy this is to do change any of your minds about anything?

It's simple guys, learn to do it yourself so you don't end up looking so, well....foolish.

If you would like, I can point you to a very cheap program you can purchase online and I would be more than happy to teach you how to use it. Then you can go out and make all the UFO videos you want.


Yes it is simple. You wont make a fake UFO video because you CANT!


And you still say its very simple and cheap to make so DO IT THEN!!


You and the debunkers claim to be experts on videos and CGI so please show us and prove the Jerusalem videos are fake.

The ignorant one is you who listens to complete strangers claiming to be experts on video and CGI!



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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The thing is there are people claiming to be credible experts on both sides (real/hoax). There's David Biedny who actually went into the thread and gave his opinion that it was real and why. He's the only one to put his name, face, and extensive credentials on the record in all of this no debunker has done so (completely understandable considering the facebook stalking that occured trying to debunk these videos). Yet, it went completely ignored...how is this possible?



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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It's simple guys, learn to do it yourself so you don't end up looking so, well....foolish.


actually your the one that now looks foolish


you keep calling everybody ignorant thats what every debunker says and its just getting old and annoying but if you want to play that game are you not been ignorant to the chance it might be real as it hasn't 100% been confirmed as a hoax



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by PhotonEffect
Typical. This is weak man.

Paradigm, with all do respect you're in no position to openly challenge the skeptics of these videos. They've already done most of the work in this case. Good, solid work.

Shouldn't you or anyone from your side of the fence participate in this as well? Besides sitting there and openly criticizing everything the skeptic camp has brought forth without offering anything concrete yourself.

I challenge you to prove why these are real. Do some of your own investigative work and present it here. This isn't a contest between the two camps. We're both trying to find the truth about these videos.

Judging by your name it's no surprise what your belief is. Hows about backing it up with something substantial that will convince people and move this case out of the hoax been,

Theres a reason why its there... clearly you believers aren't doing a very good job of defending these videos.


The fact is several people saw the Jerusalem UFO and took videos of it. I dont care if they are real or hoax. If someone who is an expert in the field of video and CGI proves its a hoax with evidence then I will accept it is a hoax.

When you claim the videos are a hoax then you must back it up with evidence. Opinions are fine and I respect them for being an opinion but as long as they are not sold off as fact which is what is happening here.

The OP asked the debunkers to prove their claims the videos are a hoax by recreating videos and prove to the rest of us how its done.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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Hey ITF, ever feel like this around here?




posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
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Hey ITF, ever feel like this around here?



Is ITF that fat?



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by planetzog
The fact is several people saw the Jerusalem UFO and took videos of it.


Do you haveany evidence of this?


If someone who is an expert in the field of video and CGI proves its a hoax with evidence then I will accept it is a hoax.


Already been done.


When you claim the videos are a hoax then you must back it up with evidence.


Already been done.

You're simply not paying attention.



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