Originally posted by dbrandt
Leading a good life has nothing to do with going to heaven. Accepting the completed work of Christ on the cross is the basis for salvation alone.
Christians do good works after they are saved. The works aren't done to be saved, but because we are saved. Now unsaved people do good works too,
but they don't get you to heaven. Remember a saved person was once unsaved also, so my good works before my salvation were like dirty rags in the
eyes of God. Meaning good works aren't the way to salvation.
If an unsaved person committs suicide, they are seperated from God in hell.(some people see a difference between hell and hades. Hades is a temporary
place where the unsaved are now, and hell is the final place after the White Throne Judgement.) It's that simple.
I don't know if it's possible for a true christian to committ suicide since Christ is greater than satan and suicide would come from satan.
This is the Biblical truth.
This is your opinion/interpretation of the Biblical Truth.
"If an unsaved person committs suicide, they are seperated from God in hell."
Okay, but does a saved person committing suicide not? In my belief, unless you truly reject God, you are not condemmed to hell. I don't think a
person committing suicide has the where with all to make that decision. Upon facing God after death, they must finalize it by truly rejecting Him to
be damned, otherwise they may atone for their sins in purgatory, a place possibly as nasty as hell, but not a sentence for eternity.
"Remember a saved person was once unsaved also, so my good works before my salvation were like dirty rags in the eyes of God. "
Okay, what happened to whatever you do to the least of your brothers, that you do onto me? That statement did not have the caveat of your definition
of saved. No good works are "dirty rags" in the eyes of God.
"Leading a good life has nothing to do with going to heaven. Accepting the completed work of Christ on the cross is the basis for salvation alone.
Leading a good life leads you closer to God - period. Your interpretation says rejecting God leads you to hell, not and inaccurate statement, then
"Accepting the completed work of Christ on the cross is the basis for salvation alone. " Is there no in between? What about the millions who have
niether rejected or - accepted God by your definition - maybe for as simple a reason that they were never exposed to your belief of what is needed
to be saved. Do you think the God of infinite mercy leaves no chance for these people? Any belief system that says they have the only answer to
achieving the glory of God and spending all eternity with Him in the end does not understand/accept the infinite mysteries and mercy of God, or the
fact that that Christ went through what he did to open the doors to salvation for all, and any of us can asssit in the salvation of those souls by
acts that unite us with Christ and his suffering. Any soul not immediately condemned to hell therefore will ultimately be in heaven, because as long
as you aren't in hell you will eventually end in heaven, once reparations have been made. So saying that leading a good life has nothing to do with
heaven is erroneous, as you are not condemned to hell if you led a good live, you just may not pass immediately to heaven.
Obviously my views cannot be verified as truth any more than yours, but taken in the context of a merciful God, they make a lot more sense to me. By
your definition, no single life prior to the life of Christ could be in Heaven. So why would God create thousands of years of souls for nothing?
I do not think any of us, can make a definative statement as to whether or not suicides are absolutely in hell. We do not know, understand, or should
assume we know all the mysteries of God's plan.