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They would have liked the Communist versions even less. Had Communists taken over South America, Brazil would not have become the rising economy it is today and the Amazon would have been devastated far worse than it is. At some point it would have threatened the Panama Canal and we would of had a huge mess. Just keep in mind, things could have been far worse under a Soviet puppet. The Soviets, being ideologues, went far beyond what was necessary to keep security and stability.
Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
It Ain't Just Mubarak -- 7 of the Worst Dictators the U.S. Is Backing to the Hilt
Can you expound upon why you think Westphalia was a joke? It guided global foreign policy until the end of World War 2.
Why would Brazil not be the nation it is today if under former Soviet oppression? Ask North Korea and Cuba. Even East Germany has not recovered from former Soviet oppression. Economically and commercially it is far behind the Western half of Germany.
Soviet ideology wasn't based on pragmatic or real world concepts, but intellectual ideas with little basis in reality. Essentially it was a religion
There has been one free election in the Arab world, exactly one really free election—namely, in Palestine, January 2006, carefully monitored, recognized to be free, fair, open and so on. And right after the election, within days, the United States and Israel announced publicly and implemented policies of harsh attack against the Palestinian people to punish them for running a free election. Why? The wrong people won. Elections are just fine, if they come out the way we want them to.
Originally posted by beezzer
Hi all. Devils Advocate here.
Have any of you considered that while we have backed real bad guys in the past, it is being done because there is something worse waiting in the wings?
Sure, it'd be nice if we could give the world unicorns and rainbows, but we can't. We can only work with the material given to us. We can only work with the people there now. Change takes time. And as the case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is still true, perhaps taking a step back and looking at the larger picture is needed.
Or we can just bash America.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
I wonder what the body count would have been had Israel, Egypt and or Jordon and possibly others in the region had had an all out war?
Seems to me that many here fail to realize that a few Billion here and a few Billion there was small potatoes when compared to what a full scale war in the region would have cost in both terms of Human life and lack of commerce, say through the canal...
edit on 5-2-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by blackcube
They would have liked the Communist versions even less.
Had Communists taken over South America, Brazil would not have become the rising economy it is today and the Amazon would have been devastated far worse than it is.
At some point it would have threatened the Panama Canal and we would of had a huge mess.
Just keep in mind, things could have been far worse under a Soviet puppet. The Soviets, being ideologues, went far beyond what was necessary to keep security and stability.edit on 5/2/11 by MikeboydUS because: ideologues
Originally posted by blackcube
And where you got the idea that these countries would be communists without your beloved "Project Condor"?
Originally posted by roguehuman
I dont know why mubarak needs that 1 billion something dollar per year aid when he is losing about 3billion dollars a year by selling gas to israel at a very low price. Egypt doesn't need america's aid, if they sell gas to israel at the international price they can sustain themselves without any aid
But energy expert Ibrahim Zahran, member of the campaign against gas exports, says the gas "was under-priced in the first deal, and continues to be under-priced in the new agreement as well.
"The first deal laid down a price of 1.25 dollars per million British thermal units (BTUs), compared to global prices of about 15 dollars per million BTUs," Zahran told IPS. "Under the new agreement, the price was raised to 1.75 dollars per million BTUs, although international prices remain the same: Russia, for example, currently sells gas to next-door Ukraine at 15 dollars per million BTUs.
"At such vastly reduced prices, Egypt is effectively subsidising Israel," he added.