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EDL and UAF hold demonstrations in Luton

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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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EDL and UAF hold demonstrations in Luton


www.bbc.co.uk

Thousands of English Defence League (EDL) and Unite Against Fascism (UAF) supporters have taken to the streets of Luton to demonstrate.

More than 1,000 police officers from 14 forces are on the streets in an operation costing more than £800,000
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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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So the EDL are back to where it all began. I remember the protest by Muslim fascists jeering at the returning solider, this created up roar in Luton and the rest of the country this was why the EDL (English Defence League) was set up, to counter and disrupt any protest that disrespected England or her soliders and to try curb the stream of Sharia law in Britain, I say good luck to them.

Personally I think the EDL get a very bad rep for what they are, they are branded racist althought all they do is counter march the UAF and alike. They are a mixed bunch themselves with people from all walks of life.

Will there be any violence today?

Hope not.

Peace.
ALS

www.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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Luton was allegedly the home of the guy who tried to suicide bomb Sweden.

Tensions have been high ever since.

Let's see how this pans out.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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British multiculturalism has failed: David Cameron

Berlin: British Prime Minister David Cameron believes his country's policy of multiculturalism has "failed" to prevent the radicalisation of Muslims by hindering their integration into the British society.

In his first speech on radicalism and causes of terrorism, the Prime Minister said a "hands-off tolerance" of those who reject Western values had failed to prevent the rise of Islamic extremism in Britain.

He said Britain has "even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values", a policy that needs to be revised.


NDTV






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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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Well, according to the BBC the EDL have behaved themselves whereas the UAF have been up to their old tricks of trying to attack the EDL and prevent them from protesting (love the irony of United Against Facism using facist tactics to prevent free speech).

They got beaten by riot Police for their efforts though...



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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The so-called "Anti-Fascists", "Anti-Nazi", and "Anti-Racist" extremists that "march", or "demonstrate" anywhere in the world, show themselves that it is they that are more fascist, "nazi", and racist than those they think they are against. They are tools of the anti-white extremist left. They are intolerant bigots, who love violence, and feel they have the right to physically attack those they disagree with. They champion muslim extremists and black racists, and use them to overthrow whites, and establish a chaos crime love land, to instill a dream of totalitarian welfare socialism.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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This is just bloody stupid though, to have two opposing groups to march at the same time in the same place.
Surely somebody knew that this had very serious potential for trouble.
Lucky really, that there was little problems and the demo's were relatively peaceful.
Still a complete waste of taxpayer's money to police.
It certainly would have been better to schedule these demo's on different days.
Then less police would have been taken from normal duties and would have a shorter time to return to those duties.
I'm just thankful that it was relatively peaceful.
And credit to the marchers who proved that you do not need violence to get your point across.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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Maybe now people will wake up and see the UAF for what it is. The same as the BNP Facists. They do not represent freedom of expression or the right to protest what so ever. Well done to the guys in the EDL, for holding thier ground, without any violence. Maybe now the EDL will get the respect needed from people whom have condemmed the group in the past!!!



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by HEREFORD 1969
This is just bloody stupid though, to have two opposing groups to march at the same time in the same place.
Surely somebody knew that this had very serious potential for trouble.

this recently happened in the US when the Tea Party
rally was engaged by the Black Panthers.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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Interesting how the EDL would counter march against the UAF, bearing in mind that UAF members are black white christian muslim AND everything else in between.
If the EDL are in fact NOT the rascists that everyone thinks they are, then surely they should support the anti fascist agenda??
Quite frankly the existance of any group that would counter march a UAF protest, doesnt seem very British at all, if we are the nation that thumped seven bells out of Hitlers regieme. The very idea of anyone in the BNP or EDL calling themselves a nationalist and a patriot is so utterly hideous that words can barely do the sensation this sickening paradox may cause, any justice whatsoever.
Let me, a true British patriot make this very clear. Good Britons do not show themselves to have the attitude to foreign affairs of a Roman legionary at any time. That is, we do not dehumanise people from other races and religions by calling them names, we do not make thier lives miserable and spread hate and fear about them. We do not commit violence, or incite people to riot against minority groups. We stand shoulder to shoulder with oppressed people everywhere, because we are celts, and we will not accept the legions of Rome, we will not accept the rule or word of hate, and we will respect our fellow man, unless he shuns those ways of respect and love. At this time, we will cut down the romans, the imperials who come amongst us, with axe and with knife and with sword, until all that remains is respectful calm, and peace and brotherhood, between all men.
In my ideal world, the matter should have been settled when we stuffed Hitler. Should have turned thier weapons against them , and destroyed all fascist kind right then, so that the social disease which hate represents was never allowed to spread. But it was a more innocent time, and I guess people just never expected such a horrific plauge to come into resurgance.
But it has come back, and I for one hope that Antifa, the UAF, and every other Nazi bashing group that ever strode the plains of earth, come down on these scumbags like hammers from heaven.
My nation, while I draw breath, will not accept the way of hate, and while people like me exist, the fascists will never take a firm hold,because should they grow to any significant power, by the methods they would enjoy inflicting on the innocent, and the minorities, the fascists will be ripped apart, and this time, we will send them ALL to hell, and end thier capacity to pass thier hate on to other generations.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL


So the EDL are back to where it all began. I remember the protest by Muslim fascists jeering at the returning solider, this created up roar in Luton and the rest of the country this was why the EDL (English Defence League) was set up, to counter and disrupt any protest that disrespected England or her soliders and to try curb the stream of Sharia law in Britain, I say good luck to them.

Personally I think the EDL get a very bad rep for what they are, they are branded racist althought all they do is counter march the UAF and alike. They are a mixed bunch themselves with people from all walks of life.

Will there be any violence today?

Hope not.

Peace.
ALS

www.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)


And there are suprisingly also many racists in the group.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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Funny enough I just saw the leader of the EDL Tommy Robinson say on TV (and I quote):



Religion isn't working, Islam isn't working, Multicultralism is about the only thing that does!


Also watching the report about the EDL march on ITV news they show EDL members cheering and chanting, no problems what so ever yet the news reporter still (Pretty much) brands them thugs and racists.

Peace,
ALS



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by ALOSTSOUL
 

Interesting how the EDL would counter march against the UAF, bearing in mind that UAF members are black white christian muslim AND everything else in between.
If the EDL are in fact NOT the rascists that everyone thinks they are, then surely they should support the anti fascist agenda??


Good point, but the UAF isn't what it used to be. The EDL also has many colours and creeds within its rank and they to are in a sense united against facism (that facism being sharia law).


Quite frankly the existance of any group that would counter march a UAF protest, doesnt seem very British at all


They don't, the UAF counter them. Thats my fault for wording the OP wrong.

[quote]if we are the nation that thumped seven bells out of Hitlers regieme. The very idea of anyone in the BNP or EDL calling themselves a nationalist and a patriot is so utterly hideous

The BNP yes but not the EDL. The EDL isn't in any way a political movement, the EDL is simple a group of english men and women who are sick of seeing thing like sharia4uk protest against soliders who have just returned from a long slog in a barren desert and if you cannot see that then your aren't the patriot you think you are.


Let me, a true British patriot make this very clear.


What makes you a true British patriot? In my mind there are only two groups of people who are (to the bone) true British patriots...........Those who have fought or are fighting for this nation and 2nd the most important of all patriots, those who have died for this nation.

Until you have done either of these you are just a run of the mill armchair patriot......like me!



Good Britons do not show themselves to have the attitude to foreign affairs of a Roman legionary at any time. That is, we do not dehumanise people from other races and religions by calling them names, we do not make thier lives miserable and spread hate and fear about them. We do not commit violence, or incite people to riot against minority groups. We stand shoulder to shoulder with oppressed people everywhere, because we are celts, and we will not accept the legions of Rome, we will not accept the rule or word of hate, and we will respect our fellow man, unless he shuns those ways of respect and love. At this time, we will cut down the romans, the imperials who come amongst us, with axe and with knife and with sword, until all that remains is respectful calm, and peace and brotherhood, between all men.


Agreed! and well put I might add.



In my ideal world, the matter should have been settled when we stuffed Hitler. Should have turned thier weapons against them , and destroyed all fascist kind right then, so that the social disease which hate represents was never allowed to spread. But it was a more innocent time, and I guess people just never expected such a horrific plauge to come into resurgance.


Wiping out most of the Human race in the process. Almost all nations on Earth have at some point been "Facist" towards one and other.

Peace.
ALS
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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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I don't understand what is the true goal of EDL.I have been on their forums and they have hatred for the whole of Islam not just islamic extremism.And even if they are marching against extremism, than what do they hope to achieve in long term? The media already tells us about islamic extremism day in day out.

David Cameron said he's not only against violent extremism but also ideological extremism.What does that mean in the long term for millions of muslims living in the West? Are people going to be forced into how they should think? Does that mean EDL, BNP, NF and other right wing extremists will get banned too?

When Cameron says that there should be more intergration into British values, than what are the British values? Fish n Chips, getting pissed, teenage pregnancy, broken famillies, kids with multiple mums and dads, promiscuity/sexualised society, obsession with celebrity culture,trash reality tv shows?

Democracy? freedom? UK is too busy propping up dictators and meddling in foreign affairs with the good old US of A.

I think the time is coming where we will see the huge farce of democracy very soon.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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So you think ALL the EDL are a fascist group,the EDL are not aligned with the so-called fascist BNP,they are a separate group altogether,think about why these people are marching,its because of a type of person who is slowly making OUR Great Britain not ours anymore.Do you not think the hate filled clerics are doing exactly what hitler had in mind?



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by forklift
When Cameron says that there should be more intergration into British values, than what are the British values? Fish n Chips, getting pissed, teenage pregnancy, broken famillies, kids with multiple mums and dads, promiscuity/sexualised society, obsession with celebrity culture,trash reality tv shows?


It really (and I mean really) pisses me off when people say stuff like this. For you to say any of that shows you know nothing about our country, it's history or it's values. You are also using social problems which occur the world over as proof we are a cultural wasteland, which is bloody foolish and downright offensive.

May I suggest you go outside and away from your keyboard and experience the real England, not what might occur in towns on a Friday night.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 01:42 PM
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I think YOU need to experience the real England, or at least the part of it that everyone except you lives in.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 01:43 PM
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Go on, enlighten me.

This should be interesting.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by forklift
When Cameron says that there should be more intergration into British values, than what are the British values? Fish n Chips, getting pissed, teenage pregnancy, broken famillies, kids with multiple mums and dads, promiscuity/sexualised society, obsession with celebrity culture,trash reality tv shows?


May I suggest you go outside and away from your keyboard and experience the real England, not what might occur in towns on a Friday night.


Well can you suggest what kind of 'British values' should the law abiding muslims and other races adopt to?



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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I have to agree with stumason. The problems you described are nothing more than what they are....problems, you find these in all country throughout all of time.

As for British values, heres an article from the Telegraph outlining ten core values.

I don't agree with all of them, I do however have my own set of values which I think in itself is one of the most important British values, freedom of expression.

Peace.
ALS



The pluralist state. Equality before the law implies that no one should be treated differently on the basis of belonging to a particular group. Conversely, all parties, sects, faiths and ideologies must tolerate the existence of their rivals.


I thought this one was very apped for this debate.
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