Muslims want children excused from music, mixed phys-ed classes

reply to post by Sphota

or perhaps Home Ec would be more reasonable.

And just re-read this..Home economics! .hahahahaha...omg..that would be even more fraught...Pork....or anything that is not halal...arrgghh!

Hey, no problem...just ban all pork and non halal....

Ok then!

Us Christians that live in the Middle East want a Pub opening in each and every town.

This Pub must serve English beer such as Ruddle Country or Hook Norton alongside others such as Fosters and Bud etc.

It must also have on its Menu of Bar Food a Mixed Grill (with Sausages, Gammon, Steak and Chicken), a fried breakfast and serve Chips.

There you go, whats fair is fair, one rule for them as well as us.

Oh, and we want a Church next door so we can pop in there Sunday mornings before our pint and curry!

Do you think they will go for that?

This is not only related to Muslims but some fundamentalist Christian sects. Now, not saying home-schooling is bad, but not only do they home-school their children, but they won't let them watch any type of tv (even sports), listen to the radio or read the newspaper. Its like they want to be separate from the community.

Its a type of mental delusion that can be detrimental to civilization.

reply to post by Kellys


Kellys...another voice of realism and a snapshot on how it truly is...star for you

And I hope your daughter's ankle was okay, I've been in the exact same situation myself (daughter badly twisted ankle okay for most of school not pe!, with no allowances made and no sympathy)

Why should there be any allowances made as a result of religion if injury that prevents kids from taking once class then precludes them from the whole school day?

the children will eventually break away from parental ideals, and the parents will die off, the same will be applied to the ideals that the parents had and they evenly intergate there own concepts into there communities. People still have to follow the laws of the land reguardless of religion or beliefs. They try to push boundries as all do and will find out the hard way when they push to far.

Thanks - she was fine by the end of the day! She was fine to hold a pen too

Some of the 'problems' around the UK start with these types of views - wanting/demanding to be treated different.

Whenever you have one rule for one and one rule for another there are always going to be problems.

reply to post by SmedleyBurlap


I was raised a J.W. spelled Jehovah's Witnesses btw.. only restriction was not saluting the flag...J.W. owe their allegiance to God not the flag of a country. and participating in the national anthem for the same reason.

I was in several sports and in band that is where i learned to play guitar and drums... the US supreme court agreed with the stance of JW's so no its not a similar situation. All Witnesses hold the law of the land as the highest authority unless it conflicts with the biblical laws that are held as sacred by JW.

I am today actually an atheistic agnostic... religion is evil no matter the credo Islam is equally as disgusting as Christianity and all religion is the source of 99% of mans ills...sadly for many religion is the only means that they employ to attempt to be good productive citizens. ask any of em you cant be a good moral person without God..even though Jesus himself said otherwise.

Great that they are speaking up. As for mixed PE classes, I don't really care one way or another, although I think it is pretty sick to have gang showers and toilets anywhere.

So many people in this thread are expressing sentiments against religious freedom. I guess the Canadian constitution ought to be considered just a damned piece of paper as well.

reply to post by JohnnyTHSeed




I don't think people are expressing against religious freedoms, just against leniency towards

particular religions. Schools and Colleges are for EDUCATION and INTERGRATION.

Home is for religion, ethnicity and culture.

The law guarantees freedom of religious expression etc.. So these parents have decided these school programs would undermine their religious beliefs. Removing their children from these courses harms no outside party.

The overwhelming response in this thread is that these people should move to a different country, respect the laws of the land (which they are - as the law guarantees religious freedom), and a multitude of other less than respectful opinions.

Originally posted by minkey53
Ok then!

Us Christians that live in the Middle East want a Pub opening in each and every town.

This Pub must serve English beer such as Ruddle Country or Hook Norton alongside others such as Fosters and Bud etc.

It must also have on its Menu of Bar Food a Mixed Grill (with Sausages, Gammon, Steak and Chicken), a fried breakfast and serve Chips.

There you go, whats fair is fair, one rule for them as well as us.

Oh, and we want a Church next door so we can pop in there Sunday mornings before our pint and curry!

Do you think they will go for that?

No you'd probably be stoned (and not the good stoned either)
I wonder if the people on here calling others bigots and racists would be calling the Muslim country racist for not allowing your beliefs,somehow i doubt it,you'd be told to respect their culture and called a racist.

In Australia some KFC's in high muslim area's will not sell you bacon on your chicken burger,in fact one muslim worker abused a customer who asked for bacon,funnily enough the KFC's in the Jewish suburbs sell bacon,Australian's are sick to death of people coming here trying to change us,

i would also like to know why when two gangs have a fight only the white boys are the racist gang but the other gang of another nationality is not?

Bottom line if you don't like how a country operates you probably shouldn't move their,I know i wouldn't,but maybe common sense is to much for some people to handle,

Notice how the apologists have absolutely nothing whatsoever to stand on?

Come on, at least call us racists, we know you want to!
Mention Hitler, nazis or something..

As a social liberal (fiscal conservative) I say to each there own. In the U.S. They should be made to do what every other kid does. If they don't like it go to a Muslim private school or get home schooled. enough bull sit.

For all of you afraid of Muslims and spouting paranoid islamaphobia you are nuts. Until you treat people as individuals you are in a trap.

A few years ago here in Aus, there was a item on a show I saw, where they arranged with 2 families, one Muslim and one Aussie, for the Daughter to swap families for a week, in the hopes that each other would understand what it is like living in that culture. I only caught wind of it, as I was reading the Sydney Muslim forums a the time, when they were open to people who had not registered. Now they're closed, they don't like people repeating what they write sometimes...

Anyway, the two daughters, both 18, moved in to their alternative families homes, and got to know the family members.

The Australian girl was welcomed in, she followed all of their cultural ways, ate the different foods, respected everything they asked of her, and said it was a great experience.

The Muslim girl was welcomed in, she refused to eat the food, refused to mingle with the other members and kept much to herself. On camera, when she was alone, she said she was disgusted that they drink alcohol, the boys go out to night clubs and that she hates it there.

All the muslims on the forums were "Good on you sis, I wouldn't have been so polite, that must have been terrible" in their sentiment. But these are just a few people.... Which happen to just be everywhere...

The point I'm making is, they have to teach their kids from this young age that they are better than the kaffir, that they never become involved or learn about the western lifestyle, and this is why the parents of these kids in this school, want their kids segregated from anything that may influence them to accept something haram to them.

Originally posted by destination now
Because everyone else would have the request refused unless it was on medical grounds, at which point the authorities would probably be suggesting that your child may be better catered for in a specialist establishment where they could aspire to their true potential rather than missing out on a huge part of the curriculum.

They haven't had their request accepted, at least, not according to the article in the OP.

Have you got anything to support your apparent suggestion that these parents being Muslim would be a relevant factor in whether their request was accepted or refused ?

If not, then I fail to see how their religion is relevant to this story, unless, of course, some people are more concerned that the parents raising this issue are Muslim, rather than the issue itself...

Originally posted by destination now
I just don't understand why someone would want to move to a country with their children when they were opposed to the core subjects within the curriculum. Why don't they just home school them if they are so opposed to what is being taught? But no, they want their children in the education system and then be able to decide what bits of it their children will participate in.

Maybe, in their naivety, they believed that countries like Canada were free and tolerant, and that their new country would not force what subjects their children have to learn.

I would agree that home-schooling seems a viable alternative, and they may well choose that option, if the school authority does not accommodate them.

Originally posted by destination now
And I agree with the others, why should we be deemed as racists and bigots because we are saying, No, you want your child to have a free state education, then you abide by the rules that the rest of us have to abide by?

Well, I wouldn't deem people like you a racist or a bigot, as I strongly dislike people pulling out these ''cards'' in an attempt to stifle debate or attempt to make somebody with a different view-point feel bad.

I just see this as an issue where some people, having apparently moved from another country and culture, are inquiring upon whether their children can opt-out of certain classes that they object to.

The ball is in the court of the school authorities in Canada, and it is up to them whether they accept or reject this request.

I don't see why anybody is objecting to this, other than the request is coming from Muslim parents, as there is a lot of anti-Muslim and Islamophobic sentiment on ATS.

Originally posted by TheLaughingGod
Notice how the apologists have absolutely nothing whatsoever to stand on?

Come on, at least call us racists, we know you want to!
Mention Hitler, nazis or something..

They can't do that,it would invoke Godwins law.

You may have even inadvertently done so anyway!!!! oO

Then I guess the premarital sex classes are out of the question?

Originally posted by eletheia
The OP posted "quoting" from a report in his country where in this instance the incoming

people were muslim. The point being made that "people" (please note i made no mention

of race religion or colour) coming into "another " country should not try to impose their views

on an established educational system. They are free to return to where they came from where

their ideologies will be more compatible with their views on education etc. After all when

visiting anothers home we RESPECT their mode of living, and do not try to impose our ways

on to them

I have yet to see where they are ''trying to impose their views'' on the educational system.

Are you seriously telling me that if these Muslims were Canadian born, then we still wouldn't be seeing people on ATS objecting to their request ?

And it doesn't, in fact, mention whether they are Canadian citizens or not, just that they have ''recently arrived in the country''.

Originally posted by Maslo
Denying your children mandatory basic education (extent of which is defined in the national curriculum) IS illegal psychological child abuse. These parents tried to deny their children the right to receive mandatory basic education as outlined in the law, therefore they attempted to abuse them. I am not saying they are abusing them now - that would be true only if they somehow succeeded with the request. I said they attempted to abuse them.

Of course it's not psychological abuse; don't be so flippant towards a very serious matter.

Considering that mandatory basic education varies from country to country, then you are saying that psychological abuse varies from country to country.


What makes you think that these parents couldn't provide better music and PE education to their children than the school does ?