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Victory in Britain!! Prime Minister says multiculturalism has failed

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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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Wrong again marxists pushed that culture would come out of revolutionary struggle. You too know nothing of Left wing politics apart from fox news. What a complete straw man. Multiculturalism was a mehtod of peaceful integration and was an antidote to post - war racism which was responsible for black deaths.

I live in the UK and you don't!




posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
When the hell will the West finally wake up and realize that multiculturalism is a nightmare and was designed to eliminate the Western culture altogether.

Why do you think it was pushed heavily by Communists, Trotskyites, Marxists, Socialists, and Progressives for the past century? It was for the abolish of the entire Western culture and I believe it has severely damaged Europe, far worse than even here in the States.

It definitely makes me happy to see a Western leader finally declare the end to this nightmare. Thank god for David Cameron! This must be why Obama does not like this man, he does not play games with the International Communist cabal.


What other countries (non-westernized) have you involved yourself in?



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by longwinter
This is hilarious in itself, in the fact contained within history that the English have traveled the world and tried to conquer it, just so it will bend to English culture.


We are living in the 21st Century now, get a grip.

The British did not force English Culture onto anyone.

Look at India, how many Christians? Not many.
How about Pakistan? Not many

If anything we brought civillisation to these peoples, improving there lives.

Look at what has happened to Africa now.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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The British did not force English Culture onto anyone. Look at India, how many Christians? Not many. How about Pakistan? Not many


They pushed a hell of a lot. Have you heard of colonialism?

Why do people in the ex british colonies speak english. Why did they stop locals from speaking their own languages. Why were people who livedin the tropics have to wear collar and tie?

You have no clue and have never ever travelled.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Why is everyone taking what Cameron says at face value, why are you trusting politicians all of a sudden?

An obviously emotive subject that people are passionate about is ideal to gain people's unquestioning support. Then you can carry out whatever agenda you have disguised by the subject that people supported in the first place. I can see from the posts here that the tactic has worked so far.

Doesn't it sound contradictory that he is talking about 'muscular liberalism'? It's interesting that he stresses not one race or religion is responsible for extremism, I'm sure it won't be just muslims that are on the receiving end of this new brand of muscular liberalism.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by tiger5
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The British did not force English Culture onto anyone. Look at India, how many Christians? Not many. How about Pakistan? Not many


They pushed a hell of a lot. Have you heard of colonialism?

Why do people in the ex british colonies speak english. Why did they stop locals from speaking their own languages. Why were people who livedin the tropics have to wear collar and tie?

You have no clue and have never ever travelled.



Oh really?

Then why do we still have some form of colonies?




The British Overseas Territories are fourteen territories of the United Kingdom which, although they do not form part of the United Kingdom itself, fall under its jurisdiction.[1] They are remnants of the British Empire that have not acquired independence or have voted to remain British territories.


Ohh the big bad British must be soo bad? Why havn't they all voted for independance then?



They voted 98.5% voted in favour for British Rule.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by Haydn_17

Originally posted by longwinter
This is hilarious in itself, in the fact contained within history that the English have traveled the world and tried to conquer it, just so it will bend to English culture.


We are living in the 21st Century now, get a grip.

The British did not force English Culture onto anyone.

Look at India, how many Christians? Not many.
How about Pakistan? Not many

If anything we brought civillisation to these peoples, improving there lives.

Look at what has happened to Africa now.


My grip is firmly in reality and history, just cause we live in the 21st century does not mean we forget the past, we can forgive but it does not mean we forget!

No force of English culture..fail!
History of all cultures will prove this statement incorrect

Christians in India..i do not understand where you are going with this? Please expand..

Improving lives, please explain how ye did this? Especially Africa..



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:45 PM
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Exactly they tried to make it illegal in Ireland to educate it's population, we ended up having schools in hedge's..i wonder where the term 'hedge-fund' came from???



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Meh. That "segregation" crap is here too. I live in New York. Every stupid culture here separates itself from the community. I live in NY. The people here only help each other (as in they're race) and seldomly give back to the community. I don't like Islam personally, but you can't call them out because everyone else is doing the same thing.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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It always makes me laugh that when something happens that someone doesn't agree with they feel a need to bring up things from the past.

YES! Britain has done a LOT of things in it's past - it doesn't mean that we agree with or want to do it again.

Come on people, we're not perfect, few would claim to be, but I think that EVERY country has a past.

Can YOU sit down and really claim that you have never done anything that you regret or don't feel proud of. People change!



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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Not saying Asian in general. Well why did you say it them? And don't give a lame excuse of "That's what they say in UK!" Lame Lame Lame! IF you meant Middle Easterners well say that then. Not a cheap shot at all the Asian races! Now that is blatant Racism by wrongly grouping them all in the one pile & then backing away from it with a lame excuse. Be specific about the group you are referring too! Don't just say "middle easterners " either! Christian,
Maronite, Jewish & Coptic immigrants do not exude the characteristics you describe! Get straight to point and name the race & religion! Don't be general because then you apply your theory to all!



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Kellys
It always makes me laugh that when something happens that someone doesn't agree with they feel a need to bring up things from the past.

YES! Britain has done a LOT of things in it's past - it doesn't mean that we agree with or want to do it again.

Come on people, we're not perfect, few would claim to be, but I think that EVERY country has a past.

Can YOU sit down and really claim that you have never done anything that you regret or don't feel proud of. People change!


People change, agreed, but do your government or Monarchy? These are your supposed representatives, now how do YOU feel?



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by Haydn_17

Originally posted by longwinter


If anything we brought civillisation to these peoples, improving there lives.




So called civilisation is nothing to be proud of exporting, just ask the Indigenous from South America, Australia, North America, New Zealand.
I think alot of these people would disagree about the "improvements".
Civilisation is killing off our landbase, talk about shi**ing on your own doorstep.
edit on 5/2/11 by NonKonphormist because: to do editing type stuff


For another perspective of civilisation, check out this link.

www.youtube.com...
edit on 5/2/11 by NonKonphormist because: to do editing type stuff



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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go cameron!!
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
2nd line



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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And do not get me going on about the war (WW2 and WW1) WHe the so called "Commonwealth " (more like bleeding common poverty) was stripped of resources for and people for a war that was not of our making. Then after all of that Rubbish the damn war was segregated and racism ran the show.

Did I tell you about the commonwealth? When did the sugarbeet have a sudden jump in the mid 70s?? Did it not coincide with the fact that the commonwealth(more like common Poverty) stop selling sugar to the "Motherland" under the commonwealth tariff which was half the price of sugar on the open market?? truth or lie???

To many English people are ahistorical entities that do not know their own history and worse do not realise that they are ignorant! No The author of the OP does not know a damn thing and it is a crying shame in the 21st century.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by madscientistintraining
I wonder if the EDL march today had anything whatsoever to do with this...



Yeah, I'm sure Cameron gives a sh*t about the opinions of a mob of ex football hooligans and knuckle dragging racists, hell, I'm sure he'd have been on the march with them if he wasn't otherwise occupied.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by longwinter

Originally posted by Kellys
It always makes me laugh that when something happens that someone doesn't agree with they feel a need to bring up things from the past.

YES! Britain has done a LOT of things in it's past - it doesn't mean that we agree with or want to do it again.

Come on people, we're not perfect, few would claim to be, but I think that EVERY country has a past.

Can YOU sit down and really claim that you have never done anything that you regret or don't feel proud of. People change!


People change, agreed, but do your government or Monarchy? These are your supposed representatives, now how do YOU feel?


This shouldn't be a personal attack on people - my reply was not to anyone in particular more of a general one. However, I can say that there are lots of things that my government has done that I didn't agree with at the time, don't agree with now. Am I able to stop them happening or go back and change history? Of course not, I guess we have to all fall back on the 'lessons learned' answer.

The government is certainly NOT my representive - they disgust me with some of the choices that they make. I can come on here and say my opinion and then do my best to change how the country is run by voting etc - apart from attempting to start a full blown revolution, there is not much more I can do.

But, dragging up the past certainly won't help with the here and now.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by Haydn_17

Originally posted by longwinter
This is hilarious in itself, in the fact contained within history that the English have traveled the world and tried to conquer it, just so it will bend to English culture.


We are living in the 21st Century now, get a grip.

The British did not force English Culture onto anyone.

Look at India, how many Christians? Not many.
How about Pakistan? Not many

If anything we brought civillisation to these peoples, improving there lives.

Look at what has happened to Africa now.


www.museumstuff.com...::sub:
emographics

Yeah there were only 24,080,016 in 2001.

Sigh, the problem with threads like these is that so many people like use them as a catharsis to get all their anti-Muslim/Asian sentiments out, failing to distinguish between Islam and Fundamentalist Islam. The statement that all Muslims in the UK refuse to buy from non-Muslims is ridiculous, its simply untrue.

a) When people migrate to a country they tend to settle down in an area where it there is already an established community of similar-minded people, both out of a longing for comfort and a fear of the unknown. You can't blame then when you look at how aggressively racist Britain until very recently - even today, it is still a racist place, as threads such as this prove. Within these communities, it is entirely reasonable that these micropopulations establish businesses close to home and these are frequented by those who want to buy food or groceries that they would have access to back home (such as Halal meat, or Russian food or whatever).

b) As aforementioned, the members of these communities (as well as others) do not shop here exclusively and anyone who says they've never seen a Muslim buy groceries from Tesco, ASDA, Sainsburys, M & S or any major supermarket, retail store, etc. is either full of nonsense or blind (see what I did there?).

Fundamentalist and violent Muslims aren't Muslims at all, and it isn't fair to group them together with normal Muslims seeing as one of the meanings of the word 'Islam' is 'peace' and the religion, like most others, states that killing is a huge sin. The religion also places a large emphasis on compassion for others (not explicitly family or friends) and not only forbids charging interest but demands that if capable, Muslims should donate at least 2.5% of their monthly income to a charity of their choice (not necessarily a Muslim cause). Your source isn't a very credible one seeing as his speech hasn't been posted in its entirety many parts could be taken out of context. What's his new great plan then? Cameron is an incredible liar, don't take his promises or words at face value you can be sure there's bound to be other dimensions of every single statement he makes. It's a sham to say that Britain's multicultural environment has not integrated properly, for it certainly has to a great extent - unfortunately humans tend to associate themselves slightly more with similar-minded people, of similar cultures, and this is a global phenomenon, not one that is exclusive to the UK. Pointless thread.

Edit: And how many times does that umbrella phase of 'culture' specifically refer to Muslims or Asians? It cannot be determined from your source and its entirely possible that Cameron was not only referring to these groups but to Europeans, Jamaicans, you name it.
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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:41 PM
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Some do not want multiculturism they want the same values they once held in there own country Canada has also bent to expand past it's own ignorances as well those who are already here realize the ignorances they once held and to those in there orginial country. There are various ignorances that they have to grow out of, to adapt is to adopt.
What is healthy in the mind body and soul too what is ignorance, as ignorance is not bliss.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by Haydn_17

Originally posted by longwinter
This is hilarious in itself, in the fact contained within history that the English have traveled the world and tried to conquer it, just so it will bend to English culture.


We are living in the 21st Century now, get a grip.

The British did not force English Culture onto anyone.

Look at India, how many Christians? Not many.



You mean 24-30 million Christian in India.



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