Are down syndrome people the missing link?, page 3
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reply posted on 5-2-2011 @ 06:50 AM by phatpackage
Originally posted by mayabong
reply to post by nonetruegod


Wow thanks for taking up for me, I figured it could be a fiery topic.

Not meaning to hurt anyones feelings or nutin.


Well you did offend! Utterly gutless! Down Syndromes are people & human people!. This reeks! Your are obviously not close to some with this condition otherwise you would not have made this disgusting thread! Shame on you! Hope you get what you deserve ........ Utter trash of a thread!



reply posted on 5-2-2011 @ 07:05 AM by riley
Originally posted by badw0lf
Originally posted by riley
reply to post by badw0lf


Offense here is subjective. I imagine this thread could be very offensive to someone with down syndrome. They probably would not like being asked if they're a missing link throw back.
edit on 5-2-2011 by riley because: (no reason given)


Hrmm, you don't really know anyone with that affliction, do you?

Yes I do. Why would you assume I didn't?

They are happy regardless if they are in the rain or in heat.

No. They have all the same emotions as "normal" human beings.
They usually depend on carers for a conventional real world tantrum.


What exactly is that suppose to mean?
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reply posted on 5-2-2011 @ 09:24 AM by daryllyn
Here is an image of normal meiosis:



The parent cell divides into two daughter cells that have full set of chromosomes (46). The daughter cells divide once again resulting in four cells that each contain half of the genetic information, or 23 chromosomes each.

Abnormal meiosis:



The above image shows two abnormal daughter cells. One containing 24 and one containing 22.

If the abnormal cells are fertilized, there will be an abnormal number of chromosomes in the embryo. The syndrome (whether it be down's, edward's, etc) varies depending on where the mishap occurs. Down's is trisomy 21, so the 21st chromosome pair has the extra material.

Here is a map of all the chromosomes of a person with trisomy 21, it's called a karyotype. The abnormality has been circled.



In most cases there is nothing wrong with the parents. It is simply a mishap during meiosis that results in abnormal gametes. The abnormalities are more common in women than they are in men. If a woman is 35, her eggs are also 35 so they can suffer the effects of aging much like any other cell in the body. Women are born with all the eggs they will ever have, the eggs are even present in utero. Men are less likely to have these abnormalities because their sperm is constantly renewed.

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reply posted on 5-2-2011 @ 03:45 PM by Kailassa
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
I highly doubt it. People with Downs Syndrome have one extra chromosome. Your "average person" has 46 and a person with Downs Syndrome has 47.

Now considering that Downs Syndrome is a condition in which that extra genetic material actually slows down/delays their development, I do not think there is anything to your idea. I mean, call me crazy, but a delay in human development just does not seem like an evolutionary advantage. If anything it is a disadvantage.

Here is a good website that will teach you about what exactly Downs Syndrome is.

kidshealth.org...

It's literally a chromosomal error and I think you will be hard pressed to find a person who thinks that a person with Downs is at any kind of advantage.

To be pedantic, as this is a thread about this syndrome, it's either Down's Syndrome, (English,) or Down Syndrome, (American). - never Downs Syndrome.


The OP is not calling Down Syndrome an advantage. He's suggesting people with Down Syndrome are half way between humans and whatever primate we descended from. It's an honest to goodness double face-palm proposition, but I guess we should give him the benefit of the doubt and answer him seriously.


Some parents determinedly do see Down Syndrome as an advantage. I've chosen to do this with my own handicapped children because they end up doing better if you find positives to focus on and keep working to help them achieve what they can, and refuse to be blinkered by professional estimates of a child's potential. Of course this doesn't mean pressuring a kid too hard, you have to keep learning fun so they learn to want to learn.

My kids are all now doing things that "shouldn't" have been possible, and I'll keep my attitude of them being special. However I also know you are right, conditions like Down Syndrome are handicaps, and I'd love to see what my kids could have achieved without them.


If all kids were loved and protected and viewed as special, with the people around them treating them well and working with them to bring out what special talents they have, this could become a wonderful world.


reply posted on 5-2-2011 @ 04:02 PM by Kailassa
Originally posted by Essan
Humans with Down's Syndrome are the same as humans without Down's Syndrome.

Anyway, there is no such think as a 'missing link'. Each generation is the link between the one before and the one that follows. Whilst it may be possible to determine physical and genetic difference between generation 1 and generation 10,000, which of the intervening generations is the 'missing' link between them? Think about it


Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by badw0lf

They are happy regardless if they are in the rain or in heat.

No. They have all the same emotions as "normal" human beings.


It's good to see at least two posters here understand.
A person with Down Syndrome is a person - a person with a disability that just happens to be Down Syndrome.

Most of us find innocence attractive, and intellectually handicapped children, if they are carefully protected and loved by their parents, retain their innocence for longer than the average child. This fuels ideas amongst people who vaguely know Down kids that they are blessed little angels.

Those of us who have lived with people with handicaps, including Down Syndrome, watched these kids grow up and known them as adults know they are capable of all types of emotion and behaviour. They have their miseries, disappointments, heartbreaks and tempers just like anyone else does. Not only that, but their intellectual handicaps mean they have a harder time in controlling their feelings and reactions.


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reply posted on 7-2-2011 @ 02:36 AM by badw0lf
Originally posted by riley
reply to post by badw0lf


Offense here is subjective. I imagine this thread could be very offensive to someone with down syndrome. They probably would not like being asked if they're a missing link throw back.
edit on 5-2-2011 by riley because: (no reason given)


Too right.. We'll just call them Down Syndrome people, make them all group together on public transport and work is special shops.

How silly of me, asking a question as opposed to stating the norm... I need to go flagellate myself now..

Coh...


reply posted on 7-2-2011 @ 03:02 AM by riley
reply to post by badw0lf


What is wrong with you? They are people who have down syndrome NOT "down syndome people" and special shops? Grouping them together? They're people not cattle.

If you're tryng to be ironic please stop it's comng across as bigotry.
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reply posted on 8-2-2011 @ 01:38 AM by jrmcleod
reply to post by mayabong


I have worked with many people with Downs Syndrome and i'm yet to witness this super human strength. Can you please provide links for this?


reply posted on 8-2-2011 @ 01:43 AM by jrmcleod
reply to post by badw0lf


I too believe its random but here in the UK, if you concieve a child in your 40's and 50's i believe you are routinely checked to see if the baby has Down's Syndrome as the chances increase dramatically.
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