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Is The Government Poisoning Us From Planes?

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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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i know what a friggin airplane looks like bro...this wasnt an airplane...no airplane we have even has the ability to do maneuvers like this thing did... not even an f 35 would be able to move like this did....yes it looked just like a rocket thats why i thought we were being bombed until i took my binoculars and looked up at it staying in the same area in the sky just twisting around here and there and spraying out two streams of smoke....its some type of drone i think....this was 2 summers ago in beautiful sunny weather....none of this matters anyway because the government has already come out with it....its called chaff...theres no need for all this speculation...its already a proven fact what the government is doing



Evergreen Aviation Admits to
Chemtrail Contracts with USAF

Evergreen Aviation, one of the worlds largest private aviation companies admits to weather modification service.

On their own website in the Markets section for their New Super Tanker they state Weather modification among other interesting service markets.
edit on 5-2-2011 by Pawel420nj because: (no reason given)




posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 06:50 PM
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Hello I've been researching this for about 3 years myself and last year stumbled on the Evergreen Air connection. It's a solid lead for the patents to the aerosol equipment. Using patent info is a great method of confirming the connection on lots of questionable activities. I am nearing the second phase of my research but haven't been brave enough to go spying at the airport yet, I'm scared I'll be detained. After 3 years of snapping shots of these greasy things I've probably got enough photos. Ed Griffins new movie about these things is great too. "What in the World are They Spraying on us?" Great tool for doubters. Also recently a lot of "higher ups" have been coming clean about it now that they are about to keel over.

This is my first reply although I've been lurking here for some time. I hope I did it correctly lol



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 06:54 PM
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I agree its the same way where I live, and it infuriates me!! I live in the country and half the time you cant even see the stars at night because of it!



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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People are definitely becoming more aware of it in the last few years. Partly I think because it's getting heavier and more obvious but at the same time I've also noticed a rapid increase in the desensitization through television shows [even cartoon anime] and other ads and video games. It's a sickening and obvious countermeasure which also serves to confirm they know that we know ... Your point about age is a very important one. I always approach the elders with the question. "Don't You remember when it wasn't like this?" Once I asked a police man that when he was watching me film and he kind of shrugged it off but I know he will notice it now and maybe look into it too.
Take heart people are coming around.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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i know there spraying us with something of a fact the only thing i dont know is if it was it harm us or protect us .....back when the swan flu outbreak hit town bronx new york got sprayed with a chemical that left behind a residue on everything mail boxes , tree leaves even vents on top of 7 story building .. i first noticed it while siting in a friends car and wondering why the windows was so dirty it looked like dried up water droplets you know how if u would spray Windex on a window and never wipe it off ... so my buddy sprayed water on it with the windshield wipers and tried to wipe it off but FAILED to do so....when i scraped it with my nail it was like dried up candy ....there was heavy fog the night before all that happen...... it reminded me of the movie the mist.. i even tweeted about this event ....but for good or bad i think we have the right to know what there putting in OUR AIR.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 07:21 PM
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They're even including them in video games.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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people people come on-do any of you really think when you look up at the chem-trails???
do you really think they are poisoning us through chemtrails when they could do it with food?? come on i am laughing at ignorance.
Why is it taking so long-they have been doing this spraying here in n-wisconsin for over 15 years-i am 55 years old and know right when it started here????
Why poison all the animals ??/


ITS THE GLOBAL DIMMING PROJECT CLOVER LEAF AND OTHERS -most nato nations are involved.
Why is mid and eastern canada 38 degrees above normal this winter when we in a regular winter??? maybe they are not chem-trailing there like here??? jusy maybe -huh!!

Wake the f**k up and watch the skies with brains! please
I am 55 so i really dont care to much about the world crashing in 5-1o years. You who are in your 20's will never see 55!!!!!!
its called expansion of the world that will get you, You cant heat up the outside of our world without heating up the inside since it is actually insulation for the furnace we have inside. This expansion will cause earthquakes=[wich seem to be happening at an ever increasing pace
It would also cause volcanic activity---Which we see picking right up also

I mean get real people -you young are f***ed like it or not.
Get mad because your lives will be cut short and the road is not pretty. Just look around and look up at their vain attemps to dim---i laugh at it all for i know i see the truth wile you all argue over the reason thats so plain
HaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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You think jets flying in front of the sun can cause a 5.0C drop in temperature?......really?

Could I just ask all the "chem" trail believers, what exactly do you think we are being sprayed with?, and do any of you have any scientific evidence of any chemicals that have allegedly been sprayed on us, that can directly be attributed to high flying aircraft?

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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 09:23 PM
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ALL hoaxes......


ITS THE GLOBAL DIMMING PROJECT CLOVER LEAF AND OTHERS .


Sorry to burst your conspiracy bubble. They are contrails. Ice crystals. That is it.

NO "Cloverleaf". That is a sham....created by the charlatan hoaxers who spew this "chem"-trail nonsense. THEY invented it all. Every bit. Not even that smart about it, either. BUT, they did do one thing right --- they realized the sheer ignorance and gulliblity of so many people in the world.....



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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BS:


Evergreen Aviation Admits to
Chemtrail Contracts with USAF


Where's the link?



Evergreen Aviation, one of the worlds largest private aviation companies admits to weather modification service.


"weather modification" is nothing more than a fancy term for "CLOUD SEEDING"!! Something that no one disputes...and has nothing at all to do with the hoax of "chem"=trails.



On their own website in the Markets section for their New Super Tanker they state Weather modification among other interesting service markets.


They have one, count 'em ONE "SuperTanker".

www.evergreenaviation.com...

www.evergreenaviation.com...

www.evergreenaviation.com...

Really....seems like you're getting all your information from some silly "chem"-trail conspiracy site, and believing all the drivel they spew.

This is inevitable, for laypeople who know nothing about aviation....

Oh, and what you saw?? You claim it wasn't a jet, huh? Well, benefit of doubt....say it was a drone. Then, whatever was being released, as you mentioned, was probably chaff. Again, chaff does NOT = "chem"-trails.

But, that ignorance persists....this whole topic is so full of it, just as seen in about any other contrived HOAX.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by stars15k
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Because you are seeing planes taking off and landing, not flying at altitude. Jeez.......when will "chemtrailers" ever sit down and think through the logic of their stand?
Criss-crossing lines? How about planes flying in different directions. You do know all planes won't be using the same heading to get places, right? They fly to every point of the compass, so when they leave contrails, the trails will, too.
Weather conditions on the ground do not matter to something miles over your head. There are some seasonal changes, because seasonal changes are global. It's always way below zero at flight altitude and high winds.
And by pinpointing Wednesday, have you looked for the routes that will be flying over your home? Most likely, you will notice more on Wednesday because you are expecting there to be more. Just like people say they never saw "chemtrails" until the 80's, which corresponded with the rise of home internet use and the decline of research and science. They have been there all along, you just didn't notice them. I did; I'm almost 50.
Where are the health problems you speak of? How can you relate them to anything being deposited at 30K+ feet over your head? Anything up there will not make it to the ground around you unless it's the size of large hail. It's blown by the wind, diluted to minute quantities, and will stay aloft for days, if it comes down at all.
All my debunks are scientifically shown to be correct, if you look for the science and not for the story.



This stuff is real.

How do you know? Did you see a website with similar pictures? Did you believe their claim that there is a "chemical" even if there is no test showing it exists? Did you think for yourself and learn how planes fly and how clouds are made? Guess what? They are wrong. And if you actually read through "chemtrail" sites, you will find they do not agree on anything about "chemtrail" theory except that "they are doing something to us". Different stories, different theories, different excuses.....and not a tested trail among them. That right there would make me suspicious. If you want to know if a chemical is in a trail, test it. It's not that hard or that expensive (especially if you claim they are real for a living, like Carnicom, Alex Jones, etc). They make planes specifically to do that, actually flying into and sampling a contrail or cloud. Science does this. And not a weird or unexpected chemical has been found yet.
Believing in something is one thing, actually knowing is better. You can't know without tests. You can't know if you don't understand about aviation flights. You can't know if you don't understand the atmosphere. You can't know if you don't know about clouds. I learned about all of these and I know that "chemtrails" is an internet fairytale and everything I see is either a contrail or a cloud.


Read the links (or browse) and watch the entire video before re-buttle please.


In this first Bill go down to: (Sec.7 , B , ii)

H.R.2977 -- Space Preservation Act of 2001 (Introduced in House - IH) - Draft Bill

Much of Britan exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

US admits chemical weapons tests

US crop dusting planes sprayed Wiltshire with Sarin in late 1960's

A Government site: Cloud-Aerosol Interaction Group (group for weather alteration)

Indirect and Semi-Direct Aerosol Campaign (ISDAC)

Oh, I could go all day with the links, here's a video for those who hate to read.






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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 11:21 PM
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The military's wet dream is to control the weather:
defensetech.org...

Here's a link to information about a patent for a method for artificially modifying the weather by seeding rain clouds of a storm with suitable cross-linked aqueous polymer. The polymer is dispersed into the cloud and the wind of the storm agitates the mixture causing the polymer to absorb the rain. This reaction forms a gelatinous substance which precipitate to the surface below. Thus, diminishing the clouds ability to rain.

Although it does not sound like what I've seen since what I've seen mostly occurs on sunny days, but it appears to be a patent for weather modification.

www.wikipatents.com...



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 11:35 PM
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"Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."-- United States Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, April, 1997

I dunno, but I can't see the US Military sitting on their hands when the Secretary of Defense considered weather modification to be a real threat.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 11:53 PM
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Hi Weedwacker.

You keep driving home the point that Evergreen only has one supertanker that they've advertised can be used for weather modification, and as far as I know you're right. You've also been kind enough to explain exactly what Evergreen really means when they mention Weather Modification, thanks for that. However I can't help but notice that it IS weather modification, none the less, or that if it was for cloud seeding, and cloud seeding alone, I'd think they'd say "Cloud Seeding" instead of "Weather Modification", a term which seems to imply more than just one way of manipulating the weather.

in spite of my misunderstanding terms which you seem to understand so much more clearly, I just can't shake the nagging feeling that Evergreen is advertising they can Modify the Weather, and that they can do so with only ONE jet!

Remarkable, don't you think?



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 11:54 PM
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I posted this already. Oh well. maybe this will get Weedwacker off my back for a while and onto yours



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 12:05 AM
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Hi weedwhacker.

Speaking with such an angry fellow seems unfruitful. I mean no disrespect, and can understand your emotions completely. Conspiracies can wrap you in a net sometimes. A net OF DOOM!... Meh, that wasn't very funny was it? Oh well.

I suggest setting emotions aside, they tend to get in the way of fact. Again I would know, I can get very very angry at times (lots of holes in the wall at my house).



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 12:15 AM
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I'm not saying for a minute that chemtrails don't exsist, but what I want to know is......

If you all say "they" are poisioning us all,
do you know any one with symptonsof chemtrail poisioning?.
Or better yet do you have any symptoms of chemtrail poisioning?




posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by Yankee451
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Hi Weedwacker.

You keep driving home the point that Evergreen only has one supertanker that they've advertised can be used for weather modification, and as far as I know you're right. You've also been kind enough to explain exactly what Evergreen really means when they mention Weather Modification, thanks for that. However I can't help but notice that it IS weather modification, none the less, or that if it was for cloud seeding, and cloud seeding alone, I'd think they'd say "Cloud Seeding" instead of "Weather Modification", a term which seems to imply more than just one way of manipulating the weather.

in spite of my misunderstanding terms which you seem to understand so much more clearly, I just can't shake the nagging feeling that Evergreen is advertising they can Modify the Weather, and that they can do so with only ONE jet!

Remarkable, don't you think?


Except that Evergreen has no contracts for weather or cloud seeding, and as a company of big airplanes, they are just trying to market their planes to anyone that will pay. However, the kinds of groups that pay for cloud seeding can only afford small planes, none of them could afford to operate a 747, when they could use a twin cessna at a tiny portion of that.

When you have 747s, you have to market them for any possible usage, since they cost tens of thousands a day even when sitting doing nothing. Just because they list on their website that they are offering it for weather modification, does not mean they are actually using it for that, since someone has to pay for it.

And for an earlier message and for the others. CHAFF IS NOT A SPRAY. Its not not something left in trails. It is a bundle of aluminum strands or fibers of a certain length, deployed to confuse a radar guided missile that has been launched. Thats it, and its easily verified online if you do not believe me. If a chemtrail site claims that its sprayed in a visible trail across the sky, thats total bunk.
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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 12:39 AM
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LOL every single day in the summer at least, when these "Contrails" suddenly blot out what was a perfect sunny blue sky getting real nice and hot day, suddenly you feel the light dim, and the temp DOES drop a good 5 Celsius...and then i get real pissed off, especially when i am at the dam lake tanning and swimming.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 12:57 AM
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Wow that video is funny the news crew doesn't understand how to convert 68.8 ug/l Notice this is what it said on the report he shows. They claim thats 6.8 ppm in the report however if they understood conversion its actually .0688 ppm. This makes it well below EPA levels not 3 ties higher like they claim. In fact .0688 is less then whats found in dirt!!!!!



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